[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
http://www.btinternet.com/~philip.j.wright/GlennRossBefore.htm
Glenn Ross before bulking.
HOLY SHIT!!!
Half the people here have no clue what he looks like now.
Monopoly[/quote]
No kidding! I had no idea he competed as a BBer. Makes you wonder why he carries so much fat now, he obviously knows how to trim up if he wanted to.
[quote]t-ha wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
http://www.btinternet.com/~philip.j.wright/GlennRossBefore.htm
Glenn Ross before bulking.
HOLY SHIT!!!
Half the people here have no clue what he looks like now.
Monopoly
No kidding! I had no idea he competed as a BBer. Makes you wonder why he carries so much fat now, he obviously knows how to trim up if he wanted to.
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Isn’t he a chef?
I’m not saying it’s an escuse for being morbidly obese.
[quote]t-ha wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
http://www.btinternet.com/~philip.j.wright/GlennRossBefore.htm
Glenn Ross before bulking.
HOLY SHIT!!!
Half the people here have no clue what he looks like now.
Monopoly
No kidding! I had no idea he competed as a BBer. Makes you wonder why he carries so much fat now, he obviously knows how to trim up if he wanted to.
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I understand that he got into the idea that the more carbs he ate the stronger he would be and the harder he could train, or so I was told by someone who used to train with him.
At the end of the day, it was his superior weight that enabled him to win UK’s strongest man last time, as he was just too heavy for Terry Hollands to budge him.
You may not train for the sport of bodybuilding but if you are ever training for hypertrophy then you are a body builder right? You may not train to compete in a weightlifting meet but if you train the clean and Jerk and the Snatch then you are a weightlifter and if you train the big three then you are a powerlifter right?
So I really think that many of us are all three and some of us are Strongmen also. Just my thoughts. What do you think? I don’t think you have to be a professional to be called what you do/train for. Now reading T-Nation and acting like you know everything does not make you a bodybuilder if you only go to the gym three times a month. Again just my thoughts.
[quote]StandTall wrote:
You may not train for the sport of bodybuilding but if you are ever training for hypertrophy then you are a body builder right? You may not train to compete in a weightlifting meet but if you train the clean and Jerk and the Snatch then you are a weightlifter and if you train the big three then you are a powerlifter right?
So I really think that many of us are all three and some of us are Strongmen also. Just my thoughts. What do you think? I don’t think you have to be a professional to be called what you do/train for. Now reading T-Nation and acting like you know everything does not make you a bodybuilder if you only go to the gym three times a month. Again just my thoughts.[/quote]
My thoughts would be that a bodybuilder is someone who intends to get on stage in the future.
A powerlifter/weightlifter is someone who plans to step on the platform and compete.
And evreyone else is just a causual trainer.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
StandTall wrote:
You may not train for the sport of bodybuilding but if you are ever training for hypertrophy then you are a body builder right? You may not train to compete in a weightlifting meet but if you train the clean and Jerk and the Snatch then you are a weightlifter and if you train the big three then you are a powerlifter right?
So I really think that many of us are all three and some of us are Strongmen also. Just my thoughts. What do you think? I don’t think you have to be a professional to be called what you do/train for. Now reading T-Nation and acting like you know everything does not make you a bodybuilder if you only go to the gym three times a month. Again just my thoughts.
My thoughts would be that a bodybuilder is someone who intends to get on stage in the future.
A powerlifter/weightlifter is someone who plans to step on the platform and compete.
And evreyone else is just a causual trainer.
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…and that would simply be your opinion. Vic Richards doesn’t compete. Would you say he isn’t a “bodybuilder”? If some guy has trained for years, has taken his body to an extreme and has muscles bigger than 98% of the population, why avoid giving him credit as a bodybuilder?
There are some crappy looking people who step on stage to compete who don’t even look like they lift. You would give them the title of ‘bodybuilder’ but not the guy who actually looks like one but never competes?
I may or may not compete eventually. I train for strength as well as size. I call myself a bodybuilder because that is what people like that WHO ARE SERIOUS have always called themselves. If people are going to point out my development on a near daily basis, I think I can get away with it.
I consider weekend warriors who wouldn’t look muscular in a full tee-shirt to be “casual trainers”. The guy walking around with 20" arms and a chest over 52" isn’t “casual”.
The concept that bodybuilders are weak come from those prevously stated in half of these articles, Martial artists and those that envy guys that have more muscles than they do.
I recently read a book by Pavel Tsatsouline, whom is a Russian special forces trainer and trains with kettlebells. Repeatedly, throughout the book, he states how bodybuilders are weak b/c of all the body part split training they do, and because none of them (supposedly) can do a pull-up or chin-up. He emphasizes bodyweight training and kettlebell training to weights.
However, I did notice that all of his opinions were rather biased on the fact that he assumed that if one lifts weights, you automatically do split work. Every “bodybuilder” he referenced to was described as guys doing five different kinds of curls and benches, and only that.
I feel that that image is conjured up by people when you hear bodybuilder, just someone who benches, does arm curls…and only isolation exercises (well, it’s somewhat true).
His articles can be found at dragondoor.com and irondragon.com
The “bodybuilders are weak” rumour comes from things like this:
You walk into Golds Gym and witness 290 lb pro bodybuilder Nasser El Sanbaty Incline press 275 for a shaky 5 reps! However what you don’t see is that he’s close to a contest and prior to this hes done a whole ton of flys and DB presses plus he’s eating (for him) next to nothing especiallly in terms of carbs. Walk in during the offseason and he manhandles 4 maybe 5 plates per side. People are just idiots and always looking to knock guys that have achieved something special.
[quote]Spartan300 wrote:
The “bodybuilders are weak” rumour comes from things like this:
You walk into Golds Gym and witness 290 lb pro bodybuilder Nasser El Sanbaty Incline press 275 for a shaky 5 reps! However what you don’t see is that he’s close to a contest and prior to this hes done a whole ton of flys and DB presses plus he’s eating (for him) next to nothing especiallly in terms of carbs. Walk in during the offseason and he manhandles 4 maybe 5 plates per side. People are just idiots and always looking to knock guys that have achieved something special. [/quote]
Truth.
Point taken X, I probably should have qualified it a bit further.
I also believe for someone to be considered a true bodybuilder then they must be dedicated to a good (not neccesarily clean) diet outside of the gym too. Typically that’s something the weekend warriors lack.
Better?
All physical adaption is specific but has a lot of carryover to similar activity. However at the ELITE level, it is only the specific adaptions that matter.
Competitive bodybuilders are every bit as strong as they look IN THE REP RANGE they train in.
To compete at an elite level you must sacrifice your competitive edge in other disciplines.
There should NEVER be a world champion bodybuilder who is also at the same time a world champion powerlifter, strongman, olympic weightlifter. YES, they can go from one to the other, but they never should be the best at multiple disciplines at the same time unless a) they are a freak of nature or b) everyone else is slacking off.
Note I am talking about elite level, not the advanced level. People should not be able to place in the top 10 in two disciplines at once.
There are some people who seem “big” to the average Joe in the street, but are not particularly strong.
But I doubt there are any people who have increased their own muscle size without also increasing their own strength.
When I think of a “weak” bodybuilder, I think of one who does not train many or all of the following exercises: Squat, deadlift, pullup, standing military press, etc… We all know 90% of bbers bench, but too many of them are seen on too many machines and cables lifting for a damn pump and trying to “isolate” every muscle group.
We all know majority of machines and cables(especially if they are not a functional movement like rows, facepulls, wood chops, etc…) are a fixed range of motion and will develop lousy biomechanics for the person lifting in this style.
Powerlifting style bbers are pretty commmon, and I have a better strength background than wussy machine bodybuilders. I give them more props than the latter.
So do I think bbers are weak? Not all, but if they rarely do functional exercises or just work beach muscles to look good, then they deserve the “weak” ranking.
[quote]gainera2582 wrote:
When I think of a “weak” bodybuilder, I think of one who does not train many or all of the following exercises: Squat, deadlift, pullup, standing military press, etc… We all know 90% of bbers bench, but too many of them are seen on too many machines and cables lifting for a damn pump and trying to “isolate” every muscle group.
We all know majority of machines and cables(especially if they are not a functional movement like rows, facepulls, wood chops, etc…) are a fixed range of motion and will develop lousy biomechanics for the person lifting in this style.
Powerlifting style bbers are pretty commmon, and I have a better strength background than wussy machine bodybuilders. I give them more props than the latter.
So do I think bbers are weak? Not all, but if they rarely do functional exercises or just work beach muscles to look good, then they deserve the “weak” ranking. [/quote]
Any bodybuilder you see who is actually extremely developed probably spent years on more basic exercises even if they do use more machines now. I did the barbell bench for years. I don’t go near it now and haven’t for quite a while. If you are judging people that much more developed than you based on how they are training RIGHT NOW wihout a clue of how they trained all of the way through their entire lifting career, you need to pay more attention to yourself and less to them.
Beyond that, why would anyone give so much credit to a standing military press? If that is what you are training for, fine, but throwing out random exercises just because you read about them somewhere is retarded. Most bodybuilders on the planet squat unless they have specific back problems…which is one more thing you wouldn’t know unless you knew that individual.
I can just see you judging people with more years under their belt than you all because they are on a machine. I injured my triceps. Should I come and tell you this before I train chest tonight so you don’t get any wrong ideas?
It’s a bit like saying an elite level wrestler isn’t as good at judo as an elite judo play.They are both excellent grapplers but specialise in their given sports.You do get freaks like Gary Taylor who can be World class Strongman,Olyimic lifter,Powerlifter and Bodybuilder.
One thing that nobody has mentioned is the fact that some people are born with a God given gift of strength.Paul Anderson could squat 400lb without training.I bet he could have train however he wanted and still been a superstar lifter.
[quote]gainera2582 wrote:
When I think of a “weak” bodybuilder, I think of one who does not train many or all of the following exercises: Squat, deadlift, pullup, standing military press, etc… We all know 90% of bbers bench, but too many of them are seen on too many machines and cables lifting for a damn pump and trying to “isolate” every muscle group.
We all know majority of machines and cables(especially if they are not a functional movement like rows, facepulls, wood chops, etc…) are a fixed range of motion and will develop lousy biomechanics for the person lifting in this style.
Powerlifting style bbers are pretty commmon, and I have a better strength background than wussy machine bodybuilders. I give them more props than the latter.
So do I think bbers are weak? Not all, but if they rarely do functional exercises or just work beach muscles to look good, then they deserve the “weak” ranking. [/quote]
I had a whole crap load of rebuttal typed out but I thought this would be better.
YOUR A FOOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I injured my triceps. Should I come and tell you this before I train chest tonight so you don’t get any wrong ideas?
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LOL.
I’ve never understood the whole “weak bodybuilder” stereotype.
Every bodybuilder I’ve ever known since I started training were freaking monsters and trained with some sick intensity.
I’ve seen the bodybuilder that runs my local gym squatting at or below parallel with so many freaking 45’s on the bar that there was barely room for the collars.
I guess I’m just lucky to have surrounded myself with some exceptions to the rules throughout my training life.
Of course I also train at a commercial gym that allows Oly lifts, chalk, and you can even make a little noise without fear of retribution.
Kev Levrone benching 5 plates a side.
Looks pretty strong to me. Terrible music though.
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
Jealousy.[/quote]
Exactly.
Common man MUST, I say MUST, feel like he can out-do and/or beat up every other common man. Therfor they put down the goals and accomplishments of others. If the guy has huge muscles, “It’s all for show and he can’t use them in a real fight”. It’s like that with everything.
I always kinda thoght it broke down like this:
-Bodybuilders = Train ONLY for aestetics. It wouldnt matter to them if they only bench press 100 pounds as long as it lead to hypertrophy. Also, I’m sure that body builders wouldnt care if they only weighed 100 pounds if they could somehow induce growth without weight gain.
-Powerlifters = Train ONLY for maximal strength in the “big 3” lifts. Wouldn’t matter to them if they only weighed 100 pounds if that somehow helped them bench 1000 pounds (I know thats impossible, I’m just stating a point)
Obviously in the real world there is crossover in the way these people train, but thats always how I thought of the “groups” withing the weightlifting community.