Ahh I could prob out run him ha!
this also really annoys me, as i get a lot of shit at work because theres a few ex boxing champs there and there always saying “your too big and slow how are you gonna win a fight” i dont train to fight!!! stupid people.
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
I know one things for sure. If Ronnie Coleman walked into the club the only person that might try to mess with him, is also fit to be in a straight-jacket locked up in a mental institution. [/quote]
I’d rather have a 150lb punch as opposed to a 310lb ronnie-punch. Not to mention him being 3-4 times stronger than almost any human. I mean, 300lb overhead press for reps? lifting anything under 200lbs above his head is probably a piece of cake. Hell, even if he grabbed your forearm and squeezed as hard as he could, would probably leave a huge ass bruise (800lb deadlift grip).
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Bob760 wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
MrRezister wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Bob760 wrote:
Bodybuilder vs avg joe
yeah but avg joe (me) is more likely to pack a gun
It must suck to feel like you need a gun everywhere you go.
It must suck to hate people who believe in the Bill of Rights.
Well, I’m pretty sure the BOR doesn’t mention anything about being a 130 lb pussy who carries a gun everywhere he goes, and is likely to overreact (because they spend most of their lives in abject terror, carrying a gun around)and shoot someone over a minor altercation that might otherwise have ended with just a couple of scrapes and bruises, if even that.
I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. yeah, in minor altercations, people have and will pull knives, use baseball bats and other weapons that can kill you. Maybe you grew up in a nice rich little neighborhood and never had to fear getting mugged or didn’t have to worry about violence but the simple fact is that the world is a crazy place and the police aren’t going to be there ALL THE TIME to protect you. when criminals and thugs stop carrying, then so will I. oh yeah and that “130 pound pussy” might just be the person who saves your life someday from someone trying to rob you or kill you.
And i leave you with this quote “God didn’t make man equally, but Smith & Wesson did”
P.S. its a constitutional right to bear arms, so until then I will proudly carry until the pussified liberals pry my guns from my cold dead fingers.
Way to completely miss the point.
And no, Brooklyn, NY is generally not considered a place where you would never encounter a mugger with a gun - so, I definitely didn’t grow up in a “nice, rich little neighborhood.”
My point was - assholes with inferiority complexes that carry guns and are hot on the trigger to shoot someone if they feel threatened - and by that I mean something as simple as someone bigger than them making any kind of eye contact - are dangerous and cowardly to boot. Not that their cowardice would prevent me from getting shot to death should I encounter said asshole with gun, but they’re pussies nonetheless.
That’s not meant to indicate any kind of position on removing people’s right to bear arms. It’s just an observation about dangerous, cowardly little assholes that look to solve their myriad of personal & social problems with a gun… [/quote]
Apparently you have a preconceived idea that everyone who carries a gun is just waiting to shoot someone if they looked at them cross eyed. that is VERY far from the truth, most people who carry a gun do it in a safe, responsible and purely for self defense purposes only. the people that you are describing are typically your thugs and gang bangers; yes they are cowards who prey on the weak, no matter what kind of gun control we put on people the criminals will always have them.
I can legally carry a gun because i went though a class that had a police officer as an instructor and went through various scenarios and training as to when it was and was not appropriate to draw your firearm, fist fighting was not one of them. Looking at someone cross eyed is NOT, nor is fist fighting. you are allowed to defend yourself on the same level of force that is being used against you, shooting someone that you got into a physical altercation; its called the use of force continum.
Also there are only certain places you are legally allowed to carry and other places that will get you in shit deep trouble.
maybe you should do some research boefore you decide that everyone that owns a gun is psychologically unstable and just waiting to use it.
[quote]wario wrote:
this also really annoys me, as i get a lot of shit at work because theres a few ex boxing champs there and there always saying “your too big and slow how are you gonna win a fight” i dont train to fight!!! stupid people.[/quote]
There is that after all. I was a pretty bad ass BMX racer when I was younger and it didn’t much for my fighting ability either.
With a no rules street fight i’m sure the majority of the bodybuilders on the olympia stage could beat the fuck out of most people. Don’t get me started on powerlifters such as Ryan Kennelly, i’d love to see kimbo slice try to beathis ass.
[quote]Bob760 wrote:
I can legally carry a gun because i went though a class that had a police officer as an instructor and went through various scenarios and training [/quote]
Did he mention what to do if you shot yourself?
It all boils down to what you’re “built” for.
A decent comparison would be cars. A Corvette is built for speed…plain and simple. It goes fast and looks pretty. A diesel truck is built to haul around heavy objects and do various other heavy duty shit.
Now you wouldnt strap chains to a vette and pull stumps out of the ground…just like you wouldn’t line that truck up at a drag strip.
Same goes for bodybuilders vs. fighters. They are just different species.Each one has their own strengths and weaknesses.
Now which would I rather get into a fight with, a B-Builder or an MMA??..hmmm…how about neither…lol
yeah they actually showed us this during training, he didn’t check it himself before he accidently racked in a round and shot himself.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
With a no rules street fight i’m sure the majority of the bodybuilders on the olympia stage could beat the fuck out of most people. Don’t get me started on powerlifters such as Ryan Kennelly, i’d love to see kimbo slice try to beathis ass.[/quote]
Really? You’re really saying that a strong man (very strong, sure, but that’s all he is) would have any chance against a man who is trained in traditional boxing, has been streetfighting and bareknuckle boxing for years for money, and is now working his ground game with Bas Rutten?
You are a fucking loon. One minute max before your powerlifter is knocked out. If it goes to the ground, he’ll be lucky to ever enter another powerlifting comp. again.
This could be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on these forums, ever.
This thread turned to shit as soon as somebody mentioned the word gun in such a context.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
With a no rules street fight i’m sure the majority of the bodybuilders on the olympia stage could beat the fuck out of most people. Don’t get me started on powerlifters such as Ryan Kennelly, i’d love to see kimbo slice try to beathis ass.
Really? You’re really saying that a strong man (very strong, sure, but that’s all he is) would have any chance against a man who is trained in traditional boxing, has been streetfighting and bareknuckle boxing for years, and is now working his ground game with Bas Rutten?
You are a fucking loon. One minute max before your powerlifter is knocked out. If it goes to the ground, he’ll be lucky to ever enter another powerlifting comp. again.
This could be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on these forums, ever.[/quote]
I’m just saying, a man that weighs 350 pounds benching 1050pounds could kick some serious ass. Maybe I took it too far with the kimbo slice comment, but I’m sure kennelly could hold his own with anybody.
[quote]stealth2918 wrote:
It all boils down to what you’re “built” for.
A decent comparison would be cars. A Corvette is built for speed…plain and simple. It goes fast and looks pretty. A diesel truck is built to haul around heavy objects and do various other heavy duty shit.
Now you wouldnt strap chains to a vette and pull stumps out of the ground…just like you wouldn’t line that truck up at a drag strip.
Same goes for bodybuilders vs. fighters. They are just different species.Each one has their own strengths and weaknesses.
Now which would I rather get into a fight with, a B-Builder or an MMA??..hmmm…how about neither…lol
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The most intelligent words on this thread so far.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
With a no rules street fight i’m sure the majority of the bodybuilders on the olympia stage could beat the fuck out of most people. Don’t get me started on powerlifters such as Ryan Kennelly, i’d love to see kimbo slice try to beathis ass.
Really? You’re really saying that a strong man (very strong, sure, but that’s all he is) would have any chance against a man who is trained in traditional boxing, has been streetfighting and bareknuckle boxing for years, and is now working his ground game with Bas Rutten?
You are a fucking loon. One minute max before your powerlifter is knocked out. If it goes to the ground, he’ll be lucky to ever enter another powerlifting comp. again.
This could be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on these forums, ever.
I’m just saying, a man that weighs 350 pounds benching 1050pounds could kick some serious ass. Maybe I took it too far with the kimbo slice comment, but I’m sure kennelly could hold his own with anybody.
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Don’t get me wrong, being strong is a good thing in all endeavors, and fighting is no exception. But if you train seriously either for the ring or the octagon, other things are far more important than ME strength. Technique and explosiveness take precedent over anything else, and punching “power” does not directly correlate with your strength levels in the traditional sense of powerlifting.
Powerlifting is an awesome sport, and those men are remarkable. As a bouncer where they grab you and move you out the door, then sure, they do the job. However, in a situation with a fighter, they are dogmeat because of their lack of experience in the given field.
I’m sorry, but this argument that just because a man is strong means he’s a good fighter irks the shit out of me, as a guy who is unnaturally obsessed with boxing and martial arts… you don’t have to go to far to find out that technique is far more important than strength levels of any kind.
They are just finding an excuse to find some criticism on bodybuilders. Jealousy is a powerful emotion.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Weeze wrote:
its not like ronnie coleman is a fucking cop or something… oh wait he is. ronnie coleman could probably whoop the shit out of a lot of people. that is kinda annoying…
Finally someone says it. Let’s look at Ronnie’s chances in a fight
- He played D1 Football at Grambling State University. So he can probably tackle someone
- He’s a cop. He’s probably gotten SOME training on how to bring someone to the ground
- He’s one of the strongest men in the world.
I think he could hold his own.
Let’s not forget that Flex Wheeler and Dexter Jackson are both high-degree back belts.
Jaro Horvath was a wrestling star before he became a bodybuilder. Franco Colombo was a boxing champion.
Sure, bodybuilders aren’t as lethal as MMA fighters or boxers but they’re still a lot better off in fights than disciples of most other sports. Bodybuilders usually start weight training because they were exposed to some sort of contact sport where strength and overpowering opponents was of some importance.
I also imagine it’s harder to choke someone out when they have no neck. [/quote]
Good post. Ernie Taylor was into fighting as well. I think anyone looking at bodybuilders and assuming they are completely untrained or lack any ability for self defense is an idiot. Most bodybuilders were into some sport or martial art before they ever started training that way. My dad started me in karate classes as soon as I could walk well even though I didn’t stick with it. I bounced around between that and boxing for a while and then didn’t get into any of it again until college. Bottom line, if someone is dumb enough to assume that I simply don’t know how to handle myself at all because I lift for size, they could be making a serious mistake.
All of these hypotheticals about what if someone had a gun or what if I was in a fight with “insert pro fighter here” are pretty damn stupid. The simple fact is, by being stronger than most of the population, I am also harder to take down.
Whether you want to train to be a pro fighter or a pro bodybuilder is your own business, but trying to degrade bodybuilders on the basis of fighting ability is just fucking retarded. It also doesn’t change the fact that it takes a great deal of strength to truly get huge by bodybuilding standards.
If you want to bet your money that the swollen motherfucker with arms as big as your legs simply can’t throw even the slightest punch if necessary, I would say don’t go to Vegas.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
With a no rules street fight i’m sure the majority of the bodybuilders on the olympia stage could beat the fuck out of most people. Don’t get me started on powerlifters such as Ryan Kennelly, i’d love to see kimbo slice try to beathis ass.
Really? You’re really saying that a strong man (very strong, sure, but that’s all he is) would have any chance against a man who is trained in traditional boxing, has been streetfighting and bareknuckle boxing for years, and is now working his ground game with Bas Rutten?
You are a fucking loon. One minute max before your powerlifter is knocked out. If it goes to the ground, he’ll be lucky to ever enter another powerlifting comp. again.
This could be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on these forums, ever.
I’m just saying, a man that weighs 350 pounds benching 1050pounds could kick some serious ass. Maybe I took it too far with the kimbo slice comment, but I’m sure kennelly could hold his own with anybody.
Don’t get me wrong, being strong is a good thing in all endeavors, and fighting is no exception. But if you train seriously either for the ring or the octagon, other things are far more important than ME strength. Technique and explosiveness take precedent over anything else, and punching “power” does not directly correlate with your strength levels in the traditional sense of powerlifting.
Powerlifting is an awesome sport, and those men are remarkable. As a bouncer where they grab you and move you out the door, then sure, they do the job. However, in a situation with a fighter, they are dogmeat because of their lack of experience in the given field.
I’m sorry, but this argument that just because a man is strong means he’s a good fighter irks the shit out of me, as a guy who is unnaturally obsessed with boxing and martial arts… you don’t have to go to far to find out that technique is far more important than strength levels of any kind. [/quote]
sure technique is important but flawless technique if you weigh less then 100 lbs and much weaker then average fighter you’ll probably lose. Thats why weight classes exist, a lot of heavyweight boxers aren’t the best technique wise but a few hits from 250+ boxer to some 135 lb boxer and there done for. Same goes for mma. Strength is pretty damn important in fighting, look at the best fighters most of them are very strong.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m sorry, but this argument that just because a man is strong means he’s a good fighter irks the shit out of me, as a guy who is unnaturally obsessed with boxing and martial arts… you don’t have to go to far to find out that technique is far more important than strength levels of any kind. [/quote]
I am not arguing with you about the importance of technique, experience and the understanding of the strategies involved in combat. Yes, someone who is extremely skilled can overcome someone who is pure attributes. But, attributes win a lot of fights (even at the professional level). Now, you teach someone with great attributes technique and you’ve got someone who has a shot at becoming world champ.
To illustrate the importance of attributes my MA instructor used to like this example (and I’ve used it on these boards before, so some may have already heard it):
Take the five best fighters (could be boxing, MT, MMA, whatever) and put them in a cage with a silver back gorilla. Now tell them that they must fight to the death and only the last one living can leave.
The gorilla would fucking destroy each and every one of the fighters. It would be literally ripping people’s arms out of their sockets, smashing their heads together, biting huge chunks out of them, just annihilate them. And these are the best fighters in the world, they’ve got probably close to (if not more than) a centuries worth of fight experience and technique. The gorilla on the other hand has no technique, no fight experience, just pure attributes. Yet the gorilla is gonna be the one walking out of that cage.
Now, obviously no human being is ever going to reach the level of strength that a silver back gorilla is going to posses. But the moral of the story still holds true. Attributes often times win fights, so don’t discount the crazy strong, fast, and aggressive guy just because he hasn’t trained formally in the combative arts.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’m sorry, but this argument that just because a man is strong means he’s a good fighter irks the shit out of me, as a guy who is unnaturally obsessed with boxing and martial arts… you don’t have to go to far to find out that technique is far more important than strength levels of any kind.
I am not arguing with you about the importance of technique, experience and the understanding of the strategies involved in combat. Yes, someone who is extremely skilled can overcome someone who is pure attributes. But, attributes win a lot of fights (even at the professional level). Now, you teach someone with great attributes technique and you’ve got someone who has a shot at becoming world champ.
To illustrate the importance of attributes my MA instructor used to like this example (and I’ve used it on these boards before, so some may have already heard it):
Take the five best fighters (could be boxing, MT, MMA, whatever) and put them in a cage with a silver back gorilla. Now tell them that they must fight to the death and only the last one living can leave.
The gorilla would fucking destroy each and every one of the fighters. It would be literally ripping people’s arms out of their sockets, smashing their heads together, biting huge chunks out of them, just annihilate them. And these are the best fighters in the world, they’ve got probably close to (if not more than) a centuries worth of fight experience and technique. The gorilla on the other hand has no technique, no fight experience, just pure attributes. Yet the gorilla is gonna be the one walking out of that cage.
Now, obviously no human being is ever going to reach the level of strength that a silver back gorilla is going to posses. But the moral of the story still holds true. Attributes often times win fights, so don’t discount the crazy strong, fast, and aggressive guy just because he hasn’t trained formally in the combative arts. [/quote]
Best post.
/end thread.
[quote]Bob760 wrote:
Apparently you have a preconceived idea that everyone who carries a gun is just waiting to shoot someone if they looked at them cross eyed. that is VERY far from the truth, most people who carry a gun do it in a safe, responsible and purely for self defense purposes only. the people that you are describing are typically your thugs and gang bangers; yes they are cowards who prey on the weak, no matter what kind of gun control we put on people the criminals will always have them.
I can legally carry a gun because i went though a class that had a police officer as an instructor and went through various scenarios and training as to when it was and was not appropriate to draw your firearm, fist fighting was not one of them. Looking at someone cross eyed is NOT, nor is fist fighting. you are allowed to defend yourself on the same level of force that is being used against you, shooting someone that you got into a physical altercation; its called the use of force continum.
Also there are only certain places you are legally allowed to carry and other places that will get you in shit deep trouble.
maybe you should do some research boefore you decide that everyone that owns a gun is psychologically unstable and just waiting to use it.[/quote]
And maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth. No, I don’t have a “pre-conceived notion” of people who carry guns.
I’m well aware of the legalities of handguns, and I’m also well aware of everything else you mentioned - I’ve been considering a handgun for home protection, so I’ve done plenty of my own research. Again, I NEVER once said “everyone who carries a gun is a coward or gang-banger.”
So, instead of being desperate to win what you believe to be some sort of argument against anyone who owns a gun, why don’t you actually pay attention to what I’m saying, instead of continually attempting to twist it into some kind of anti-gun legislation.