I wonder how much protein he eats??
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
I wonder how much protein he eats?? [/quote]
I wonder if he is on the juice! You know creatine and all that stuff 
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
So if one has children with one’s wife, you believe that one’s vows as a husband (i.e. “love, honour and cherish”) would not extend to providing care and support for those children?
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No, because if that were the case then when a husband and wife get divorced, would not the man remain a father and still be obligated to provide care and support for his children? I would say yes, he is still obligated to.
What about the men who have never been married, and thus never taken marriage vows who have kids? Are they exempt from providing care and support for their children? No, they are still obligated. Being a father and being a husband are two separate things. Take me for instance: in a couple months I will be a husband, but I will likely never be a father, but if we do happen to have kids, my obligations to my kids will not depend on or have anything to do with my marriage vows, which will not mention children at all.
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You’re not getting it. If you’re married and you have kids, then part of being a good husband is caring for and helping out with the kids. It helps take some of the burden off your wife.[/quote]
What I am saying is that those duties exist whether one is married or not. The unmarried father has just as much obligation to raise his kids as the married one. The phrase “help out with the kids” seems to me to imply that it is primarily the woman’s role to raise the kids, and men just help out occasionally, but that is not the way I see it. Both parents have an equal obligation to provide for their kid’s needs, both financially and emotionally. How the parents split up the work is up to them, but it does not matter if they are married or not, the obligation is there all the same.
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Maybe I’m not being clear, but you aren’t understanding what I’m saying. Yes, the responsibilities of being a father extend outside of marriage. But the duties of a husband include being a father (with the stipulation that you decide to have children). If you get married and have kids, then aren’t a good father, you are not only violating your duties as a father, but also a husband.
If he made a vow to be a husband, made babies, then is a crappy dad, he is by necessity, also a bad husband.
In marriage you vow to support her and love and care for her. If you make her a mother, doing that requires being a good father to the kids.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Damage is done here and this will end badly for them and kids.
Having personal goals and self centered desires are not a bad thing in life, however being an adult and married with children is knowing how to juggle both. I get up at 4:15 4 days during the work week, so I can work out and then get to work. Cause the rest of my day is work and then family. [/quote]
I’m not disagreeing with that.
However, the way the show presented the husband like the bad guy is annoyingly funny. I feel this way maybe 'cos I’m a dedicated athlete myself and I’m irked by the skewed view that people, especially people who don’t train, have of dedicated fitness people.
I’m not married, I ain’t got kids so, probably my priorities will change in the future (NOT!! lol) but I know many married husbands and wives who’ve managed to find a balance between their family life and fitness career/hobby.
I seriously don’t see anything wrong with what that guy does. He’s a dedicated bodybuilder. He’s doing exactly what most guys on the bodybuilding forum do, (posing, supplementing, spending 2 hrs or more at the gym, competing etc). How on earth is this affecting his kids? He doesn’t see them during weekends too?? Sorry something is missing there. I’ll support a woman when I feel she needs support but in this case, the wife is equally guilty of shitting on her marriage.
I’ll be interested to know if she would feel the same had her husband spent more time working late, sat at his office, ordering pizza, getting big and fat, in order to pay the mortgage. I bet she wouldn’t mind. She even said in the video that it wouldn’t bother her if he gained a bit of weight. Lol.
He’s looking better than ever. He’s younger than her. She’s not getting any younger and that’s the main issue right there. She needs to stop blaming it on bodybuilding. LOL.
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I don’t think it’s her I think it’s Phil, she just wants her husband back. He’s 30, he’s seeing younger cuter girls and he wishes he didn’t get married now. He’s seeing that people age, and his wife who doesn’t look bad for 41 with 3 kids just doesn’t compare to a 21 year old. He uses the word bodybuilding all the time but he’s just going through an early mid life crisis but doesn’t realize he can lose his family that he doesn’t appreciate too. Instead of tackling all those issues Phil just focuses on the word bodybuilding and has all the women clapping and demonizing him.
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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
He is is douche because of how he conducts himself with other women.
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I have found openly flirting with women in front of your gf from time-to-time is actually a good thing.
Women will never admit it, but they need to feel jealousy in order to be happy and maintain their sexual attraction to you. [/quote]
Completely agree. I love to do it to get a reaction out of her. It’s really one of the ways I flirt with my wife. But what he was doing he wouldn’t do with her there.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
So if one has children with one’s wife, you believe that one’s vows as a husband (i.e. “love, honour and cherish”) would not extend to providing care and support for those children?
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No, because if that were the case then when a husband and wife get divorced, would not the man remain a father and still be obligated to provide care and support for his children? I would say yes, he is still obligated to.
What about the men who have never been married, and thus never taken marriage vows who have kids? Are they exempt from providing care and support for their children? No, they are still obligated. Being a father and being a husband are two separate things. Take me for instance: in a couple months I will be a husband, but I will likely never be a father, but if we do happen to have kids, my obligations to my kids will not depend on or have anything to do with my marriage vows, which will not mention children at all.
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You’re not getting it. If you’re married and you have kids, then part of being a good husband is caring for and helping out with the kids. It helps take some of the burden off your wife.[/quote]
What I am saying is that those duties exist whether one is married or not. The unmarried father has just as much obligation to raise his kids as the married one. The phrase “help out with the kids” seems to me to imply that it is primarily the woman’s role to raise the kids, and men just help out occasionally, but that is not the way I see it. Both parents have an equal obligation to provide for their kid’s needs, both financially and emotionally. How the parents split up the work is up to them, but it does not matter if they are married or not, the obligation is there all the same.
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No, it’s much different if the parents are not married. They don’t have to do things together. If it’s the divorced mom’s turn to have the kids that week and she’s having a hard time with the kids she can’t call the dad and expect for him to come over and lend emotional support. If they are married however, he certainly has a duty as a husband to take some of that burden and give her the support she needs.[/quote]
She can’t expect him to lend HER emotional support, but it is his obligation to be there for his kids if their mother is unable to take care of them, no matter what, whether it is legally his time with the kids or not. That does not mean that one parent can go around saying “I can’t deal with the kids right now,” dump them on the other parent and go party or whatnot. Each parent must be responsible and know the difference between actually being unable to be there for their kids and not wanting to be. A death or personal crisis or emergency work thing that you cannot plan ahead for, yeah it is perfectly okay to call the other parent and expect them to take the kids for a while. If you can’t find a babysitter so that you can go out on a date, then you can still call and ask, but the other parent would be under no obligation to change their plans for that situation.
Fuck Dr. Phil and the retards who air their dirty laundry on tv.
Oh, fuck the people who watch this drivel on a daily basis and keep this shithead on the air.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
So if one has children with one’s wife, you believe that one’s vows as a husband (i.e. “love, honour and cherish”) would not extend to providing care and support for those children?
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No, because if that were the case then when a husband and wife get divorced, would not the man remain a father and still be obligated to provide care and support for his children? I would say yes, he is still obligated to.
What about the men who have never been married, and thus never taken marriage vows who have kids? Are they exempt from providing care and support for their children? No, they are still obligated. Being a father and being a husband are two separate things. Take me for instance: in a couple months I will be a husband, but I will likely never be a father, but if we do happen to have kids, my obligations to my kids will not depend on or have anything to do with my marriage vows, which will not mention children at all.
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You’re not getting it. If you’re married and you have kids, then part of being a good husband is caring for and helping out with the kids. It helps take some of the burden off your wife.[/quote]
What I am saying is that those duties exist whether one is married or not. The unmarried father has just as much obligation to raise his kids as the married one. The phrase “help out with the kids” seems to me to imply that it is primarily the woman’s role to raise the kids, and men just help out occasionally, but that is not the way I see it. Both parents have an equal obligation to provide for their kid’s needs, both financially and emotionally. How the parents split up the work is up to them, but it does not matter if they are married or not, the obligation is there all the same.
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Maybe I’m not being clear, but you aren’t understanding what I’m saying. Yes, the responsibilities of being a father extend outside of marriage. But the duties of a husband include being a father (with the stipulation that you decide to have children). If you get married and have kids, then aren’t a good father, you are not only violating your duties as a father, but also a husband.
If he made a vow to be a husband, made babies, then is a crappy dad, he is by necessity, also a bad husband.
In marriage you vow to support her and love and care for her. If you make her a mother, doing that requires being a good father to the kids.[/quote]
This is much more clear, and I can agree with this, provided that his being a crappy dad adversely affects his wife, and I can’t think of a single case that doesn’t involve the wife also being a shitty parent where it wouldn’t.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
So if one has children with one’s wife, you believe that one’s vows as a husband (i.e. “love, honour and cherish”) would not extend to providing care and support for those children?
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No, because if that were the case then when a husband and wife get divorced, would not the man remain a father and still be obligated to provide care and support for his children? I would say yes, he is still obligated to.
What about the men who have never been married, and thus never taken marriage vows who have kids? Are they exempt from providing care and support for their children? No, they are still obligated. Being a father and being a husband are two separate things. Take me for instance: in a couple months I will be a husband, but I will likely never be a father, but if we do happen to have kids, my obligations to my kids will not depend on or have anything to do with my marriage vows, which will not mention children at all.
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You’re not getting it. If you’re married and you have kids, then part of being a good husband is caring for and helping out with the kids. It helps take some of the burden off your wife.[/quote]
What I am saying is that those duties exist whether one is married or not. The unmarried father has just as much obligation to raise his kids as the married one. The phrase “help out with the kids” seems to me to imply that it is primarily the woman’s role to raise the kids, and men just help out occasionally, but that is not the way I see it. Both parents have an equal obligation to provide for their kid’s needs, both financially and emotionally. How the parents split up the work is up to them, but it does not matter if they are married or not, the obligation is there all the same.
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No, it’s much different if the parents are not married. They don’t have to do things together. If it’s the divorced mom’s turn to have the kids that week and she’s having a hard time with the kids she can’t call the dad and expect for him to come over and lend emotional support. If they are married however, he certainly has a duty as a husband to take some of that burden and give her the support she needs.[/quote]
She can’t expect him to lend HER emotional support, but it is his obligation to be there for his kids if their mother is unable to take care of them, no matter what, whether it is legally his time with the kids or not. That does not mean that one parent can go around saying “I can’t deal with the kids right now,” dump them on the other parent and go party or whatnot. Each parent must be responsible and know the difference between actually being unable to be there for their kids and not wanting to be. A death or personal crisis or emergency work thing that you cannot plan ahead for, yeah it is perfectly okay to call the other parent and expect them to take the kids for a while. If you can’t find a babysitter so that you can go out on a date, then you can still call and ask, but the other parent would be under no obligation to change their plans for that situation. [/quote]
Right, but the duties are completely different for married and divorced people.
Take the scenario as an example:
Woman: "Today has been awful. I’m so tired and the kids are acting crazy. Can you please take them out of the house for a while so I can have a break?
Man: “Sorry, I’m going out to the club with my boys.”
This is fine for a divorced dad. If the guy is married, he better sleep with one eye open.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
So if one has children with one’s wife, you believe that one’s vows as a husband (i.e. “love, honour and cherish”) would not extend to providing care and support for those children?
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No, because if that were the case then when a husband and wife get divorced, would not the man remain a father and still be obligated to provide care and support for his children? I would say yes, he is still obligated to.
What about the men who have never been married, and thus never taken marriage vows who have kids? Are they exempt from providing care and support for their children? No, they are still obligated. Being a father and being a husband are two separate things. Take me for instance: in a couple months I will be a husband, but I will likely never be a father, but if we do happen to have kids, my obligations to my kids will not depend on or have anything to do with my marriage vows, which will not mention children at all.
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You’re not getting it. If you’re married and you have kids, then part of being a good husband is caring for and helping out with the kids. It helps take some of the burden off your wife.[/quote]
What I am saying is that those duties exist whether one is married or not. The unmarried father has just as much obligation to raise his kids as the married one. The phrase “help out with the kids” seems to me to imply that it is primarily the woman’s role to raise the kids, and men just help out occasionally, but that is not the way I see it. Both parents have an equal obligation to provide for their kid’s needs, both financially and emotionally. How the parents split up the work is up to them, but it does not matter if they are married or not, the obligation is there all the same.
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No, it’s much different if the parents are not married. They don’t have to do things together. If it’s the divorced mom’s turn to have the kids that week and she’s having a hard time with the kids she can’t call the dad and expect for him to come over and lend emotional support. If they are married however, he certainly has a duty as a husband to take some of that burden and give her the support she needs.[/quote]
She can’t expect him to lend HER emotional support, but it is his obligation to be there for his kids if their mother is unable to take care of them, no matter what, whether it is legally his time with the kids or not. That does not mean that one parent can go around saying “I can’t deal with the kids right now,” dump them on the other parent and go party or whatnot. Each parent must be responsible and know the difference between actually being unable to be there for their kids and not wanting to be. A death or personal crisis or emergency work thing that you cannot plan ahead for, yeah it is perfectly okay to call the other parent and expect them to take the kids for a while. If you can’t find a babysitter so that you can go out on a date, then you can still call and ask, but the other parent would be under no obligation to change their plans for that situation. [/quote]
Right, but the duties are very different for married and divorced people.
Take the scenario as an example:
Woman: "Today has been awful. I’m so tired and the kids are acting crazy. Can you please take them out of the house for a while so I can have a break?
Man: “Sorry, I’m going out to the club with my boys.”
This is fine for a divorced dad. If the guy is married, he better sleep with one eye open.[/quote]
That is still an obligation he has as a husband, not a father. A father’s obligations is only to his kids. Replace take care of the kids with make dinner, and it is the same thing. You wouldn’t expect a divorced man to go and make dinner for his ex just because she had a bad day, right? As a husband, it is his job to take care of his wife, whether it is by making dinner, cleaning up, taking care of kids, and whatnot, but there is nothing special about children associated with marriage or marriage vows, just as it is her duty to do the same for him. My only issue with any of this regarded whether or not having children was a requirement of being married, and DD and I seem to have cleared things up about that.
PX and Dark Ninja were making some fantastic points early in this thread, and it was a good read. I agree with all of it (as a 24-year old with no wife and no kids, happily.)
Then, it started becoming a bunch of nonsense and dick-waving and turned into something else completely.
They should divorce. It’s essentially that simple.
(Other than the fact that marriage in itself is LOL-worthy. Oops canofworms.jpg)
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
That is still an obligation he has as a husband, not a father. A father’s obligations is only to his kids.
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I think you are wrong.
No matter what you do, if you disregard the well being of the mother of your children you are not doing your job as a father.
If there is anything you can do obviously.
[quote]SSC wrote:
PX and Dark Ninja were making some fantastic points early in this thread, and it was a good read. I agree with all of it (as a 24-year old with no wife and no kids, happily.)
Then, it started becoming a bunch of nonsense and dick-waving and turned into something else completely.
They should divorce. It’s essentially that simple.
(Other than the fact that marriage in itself is LOL-worthy. Oops canofworms.jpg)[/quote]
Well, what it is now is a license for a woman to shaft a man with a spiked strap on, sans lube and without a safe word.
I must admit that I do not find that terribly funny.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
That is still an obligation he has as a husband, not a father. A father’s obligations is only to his kids. Replace take care of the kids with make dinner, and it is the same thing. You wouldn’t expect a divorced man to go and make dinner for his ex just because she had a bad day, right? As a husband, it is his job to take care of his wife, whether it is by making dinner, cleaning up, taking care of kids, and whatnot, but there is nothing special about children associated with marriage or marriage vows, just as it is her duty to do the same for him. My only issue with any of this regarded whether or not having children was a requirement of being married, and DD and I seem to have cleared things up about that.
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The two roles are intertwined though. Being a bad father puts a strain on the marriage. Let’s say a guy is a terrible father to his children, but spends time with his wife, taker her out, and is caring and affectionate with her. Do you really think she can be completely happy with him as a husband knowing that he is a terrible father to their children?
This thread is pretty funny.
Also, marrying an older woman? Seriously? I dont mind sex with them or having a laugh with them but older women are not marriage material from my experiences. So many of them moan and nag way too much its like a second mother.
Fuck that!
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Or dad should get his ass up at 3 am and go to the gym for his personal time.[/quote]
Thank god for 24hr Fitness!!
Even then, Wifey will still not be happy!
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How old are you darkninjaa?[/quote]
Dude really.
Two things you never ask a woman
Her age
and her weight
Write that shit down[/quote]
What makes you think I care about those rules and making women feel dainty?
I will ask weight age and how many dicks she’s sucked this week if I wanna know.
Lol
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Yea but you talk to fat 18 year olds with the mental capacity of a spider monkey[/quote]
I don’t talk to women who aren’t at least 5 ft 7 and weight ;o more than 125
No older than 23 thank you[/quote]
Damn why you like the tall girls? Are you tall?
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Not tall at all. 5 ft 10
I like em tall and skinny. Mmmmm size 0
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
How old are you darkninjaa?[/quote]
I’m a couple of years older than you.
Why? What do you want from me?
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Eternal friendship DN eternal friendship
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
How old are you darkninjaa?[/quote]
I’m a couple of years older than you.
Why? What do you want from me?
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Eternal friendship DN eternal friendship
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So, the safe route it is?
I have nothing relevant to offer to this discussion.
except - HI Rock!, Hi Ninjaa!