Body Type and Nationality

[quote]rsg wrote:
MikeTheBear wrote:
I have another theory. In the Northern Countries like Finland and Poland, the tall guys with the long legs could run faster through deep snow. Hence, they were able to chase down the girls and have sex with them, thus passing on their genes. But then some of the smarter, shorter guys invented snowshoes that allowed them to float over the snow and compete with the tall, albeit dumb guys, for the ladies’ affections. The short, stupid guys just died out. So, what you now see in these countries are two distinct groups: tall, stupid guys and short, smart guys.

I’m a Pole. I’m 5’8". Do the math, dummy.

See now there’s my problem - I’m a 6’ Polish guy living in South Africa - but there no snow here…[/quote]

I’d say you have a problem, then. :slight_smile:

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
My mom’s side of the family is short and hairy…and that’s where I apparently received most of my genes.[/quote]

Oooooh, you’re like Cousin It!

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
I’ve also been told that I look Spanish, Italian or Jewish. The only thing I come close to is Spanish due to my Porteguese background…but it’s still not the same.[/quote]

How about ugly? Anyone ever tell you that you just look ugly?

Ok, most irish guys I know are tall and thin, whereas most Italians I know are short and stocky. I wonder if you can trace this back to their respective military histories? The Irish have long had a hit and run/light infantry skirmisher type of military, whereas those of Italian extraction, going back to the days when they were the footsoldiers in the Roman army, were heavy infantry.

Roman soldiers were dubbed Marius’ Mules, because they were often expected to march 20 miles in a day with something like 80 pounds of equipment on their backs. A shorter guy with a lower center of gravity would probably handle this better than a tall guy. Consequently, He would surbive the campaign and be able to go home and fuck his wife. One other thing I have often noticed about Italians is calf size. Italians have big muscular calves. Most every Italian I know has them.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Ha. I’m just trying to figure out how come the damn Irish and Italian came out the most, leading to my 5’6 height.

;)Fuck all of you

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I’m Irish and I’m 6’.But that might explain why I drink thick ale and get into fights over soccer games though.

[quote]singram wrote:
I’m Irish and I’m 6’.But that might explain why I drink thick ale and get into fights over soccer games though.[/quote]

Its the English who get into fights over soccer games.

Irish just get into fights.

Allen’s Rule and Leflog’s rule. Something like that. Look it up.

Well i’m full Irish lived in N.Ireland as a child and i’m just shy of 6’. MY dad is 5’10" my mum is 5’3". My dads father was about 6’2", and his uncle 6’4", his mothers family were stout hard wee fuckers.

My mothers father was about 5’8" I think, and mother 5’.

But on my dads side the men were all fuckin large, with giant hands etc. BUT they can also go back as being builders as far as they remember. My dad still tells me about how big his fuckin uncle was, he’s still alive but in his 80’s. Aparrently he was about 250lbs, without an ounce of fat on him, which is fuckin good back then.

As far as Irish being short. Never heard of that before, the celts are known for being fine specimens of people. In fact Ireland is the only place that was’nt touched by outsiders until modern time. Prolly the purest breed left. Just look at out rugby team, and even new zealand, and aus, they’re all Irish Cons anyways.

I don’t know why people here say irish are short. Everyone I’ve met say that I just look “irish”, and i’m not even pale, have any freckles, I actually have dark hair, but really blue eyes. I think it’s just my fucked up sense of humour, and the I don’t give a shit attitude. Or maybe I do look irish.

Something about the nutrition or lifestyle has to be a huge factor in determining height. Case in point, a lot of my friends are first generation Canadians of Chinese descent. All of their parents are short – I can’t think of one that is tall. However, a lot of the guys are 6’ or more – a larger percentage than their parents, that’s for sure.

[quote]AgentOrange wrote:
Something about the nutrition or lifestyle has to be a huge factor in determining height. Case in point, a lot of my friends are first generation Canadians of Chinese descent. All of their parents are short – I can’t think of one that is tall. However, a lot of the guys are 6’ or more – a larger percentage than their parents, that’s for sure. [/quote]

I think that’s very true. Here in NY many younger asians are normal height. Eating more meat and general calories probably has alot to do with it. Mexicans, it seems, have an epidemic of short stature compared to any other hispanic countries.

My personal take is that aside from genes it’s meat and sun. I think that if after birth you take a baby of short parents, make him eat properly and play in the sun alot he’ll grow up taller than he would have otherwise.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Here’s a hypothesis.

Milder climates closer to the equator make possible a wide variety of fruit and vegetable foods that become staple crops for agrarian civilizations. Colder, harsher climates farther from the equator (i.e. Northern Eurasia) preclude much in the way of agriculture, favoring instead hunting, fishing and animal husbandry.

A higher percentage of animal protein and milk in the diet over generations (and the associated higher testosterone production) would then account for the greater size and height. Thus the disparity between the 5-foot-something Romans, who subsisted on wheat and Barley, and the 6-foot-something Goths and Gaels (that’s you, Irish!), who ate more wild game and beef.

The tremendous height of memebers of the Masai tribe, who at times subsist almost exclusively on milk, meat and blood, would seem to support this hypothesis (yes, yes, I know they might also be a genetic anomaly), even though they live closer to the equator.

This phenomenon happened in Japan over the last sixty years: The Japanese, by and large, used to be skinny little runts until after the second world war, when milk and meat (and more food in general) became readily available. These days 6-foot tall, relatively muscular Japanese men and well-proportioned Japanese girls (i.e. really nice tits and ass) are not at all uncommon.

Moral of the story? Eat more meat.[/quote]

Sounds like a discussion a friend and I had about coastal areas versus inland areas. Coastal people eat more seafood, and the environment is usually poor for growing grains. Inland people generally eat more grains because its available. We’ve noticed the coastal people tend to be shorter and thicker, while inlanders tend to be taller and less thick. Could be genetics too as this is Canada I am talking about and mostly Irish, English and Scottish settled the east coast, while mostly Russian, Ukranian settled the inland areas.

A lot of folks have mentioned nutrition, and I think that is a huge factor.

Another huge factor is simple perception.

The northern european strongman example helps to illustrate this point. In Norway/Sweeden/Finland, elite strength athletes don’t have a lot of team sports to choose from. Their countries also have a rich tradition in individual strength sports. Hence, their best strength athletes tend to gravitate towards olympic lifting, powerlifting, and strongman events.

Meanwhile, in the USA, strength sports are largely an afterthought and huge athletic guys are more likely to gravitate towards the NFL, NBA, or WWE. The same holds true in many southern european countries, where guys with great size and athletic ability are not encouraged to get into strength sports with the same enthusiam as their northern counterparts.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I have long wondered why body types seem to be influenced by the nationality that one is descended from.

I know that not everyone fits these types, but why is it generally that Italians are short, or that Poles or those from Scandinvian countries are much taller? Just curious…[/quote]

It’s got nothing to do with nationality, but with race and ethnicity.

[quote]MrChill wrote:
"Aren?t some populations just taller than other populations?

No, not necessarily. We don?t really know how height genes vary from population to population, but anthropometric studies suggest that there?s nothing about an American that makes him intrinsically taller than a Mexican, or a Swede taller than a Central American.

If you look at populations of well-fed kids around the world, they?re all within half an inch of one another. And, if you look at third- or fourth-generation Mexican-Americans in this country, they?re almost as tall as whites."

http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/articles/040405on_onlineonly01

Can you believe the height of these ladies?

http://www.kaikura.net/public/models.php[/quote]

Blythe looks like she could play offensive tackle…

I’m a 5’9" female and a first generation American descended from a long line of Russian farm people. The women in my family were built for two things…birthing and plowing. I guess form follows function here.

Genetics play a part, but I have my own example:

My wife is Asian. She and her second oldest sister were raised in Asia and Europe, and they are the tallest (wife) and shortest of the children. Three other kids were raised in Asia, none of them are over 5’. The youngest one (brother) was born and raised in the U.S. He is 6’1". Nutrition has to play a part in that.

[quote]X-Factor wrote:

As far as Irish being short. Never heard of that before, the celts are known for being fine specimens of people. In fact Ireland is the only place that was’nt touched by outsiders until modern time. Prolly the purest breed left. Just look at out rugby team, and even new zealand, and aus, they’re all Irish Cons anyways.

I don’t know why people here say irish are short. [/quote]

I was just saying what my family is like.

There’s not one that’s over 6’, most are between 5’3 and 5’8 (males).

From Galway too (before they came over, wayyy back in the day), which was supposedly made up of the purest of the Celts…

[quote]kieran dolan wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Ha. I’m just trying to figure out how come the damn Irish and Italian came out the most, leading to my 5’6 height.

;)Fuck all of you

Where the Irish and Italians lack in height they make up in other departments.[/quote]

stupidity?

DB

[quote]grey wrote:
Italy is closer to the equator and everyone knows that gravity is stronger
there…hence shorter people. Even the leaning tower of Pisa is being gravitationally challenged and it happens to be in Italy.
Midgets and pygmies live right on the equator so my reasoning is sound.

It might also have to do with the density of the bones in your head. If you have a bonehead then you will be shorter.

On the other hand nations that have the propensity to have a vacuum in their heads tend to be taller because of the “lift” that they experience from childhood, due to lack of weight in that region of the body.

So closer to equator + bonehead = short
farther from equator + empty head = tall

How’s that Irish?
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How’s that explain the brilliance of Bruce Lee???

DB

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
I’m a 5’9" female and a first generation American descended from a long line of Russian farm people. The women in my family were built for two things…birthing and plowing. I guess form follows function here.[/quote]

Shouldn’t the plowing preceede the birthing?