[quote]trivium wrote:
I have never heard of that. I also don’t think I have insurance though haha.[/quote]
When I first got out the military, I was denied coverage by one company over the phone based on my body weight alone. They didn’t even bother sending me to a doctor.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
…diet has a tremendous amount to do with the build up of fat in the arteries.
Feel free to correct anything here that is totally wrong.[/quote]
More so in individuals that do not exercise than otherwise.
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Tell me if this sounds right:
Through exercising, your body moves along the would-be deposits that your diet created? or am I looking at that wrong?[/quote]
That is my understanding.
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And the deposits occur under the endothial layer of cells in arteries, they are not removed by exercise. The exact protective mechanism is unconfirmed.
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I wasn’t under the impression exercise removed the deposits; but that they were less likely to form to start with in individuals that exercise properly.
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There is some evidence in recent studies that you can remove the plaques, but it requires a whole lifestyle change. I will see if I can get the details for you. It is straight out of the cardiology research portion from the Cleveland Clinic if I remember correctly.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
I have never heard of that. I also don’t think I have insurance though haha.[/quote]
When I first got out the military, I was denied coverage by one company over the phone based on my body weight alone. They didn’t even bother sending me to a doctor.[/quote]
I don’t think they can do that now under the Affordable Care Act.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
-What are your practical non-broscience recommendations for reducing risk? right now I just do some supersets while lifting, walking daily, and take a handful of fish oil nightly. I’ll be adding in HIIT a couple times a week from now on as well.[/quote]
Practical, non-brosciencey recommendations?
Don’t smoke.
Don’t drink regularly/to excess
Exersice regularly: strength training AND cardiovascular work.
Don’t get fat.
Stay away from crappy foods.
Get regular check ups and blood work.[/quote]
QFT
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
blah
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LOL
You’d really have just been better off doing more “pretending not to post much anymore” than to actually throw this out there thinking that it comes across as some sort of bored dismissal. Because, really, you and I both know that this is actually nothing more than a tacit admission of you wishing that just ignored my initial post (like you do all the other logical rebuttals which routinely dismantle your asinine assertions).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Oh, I found this in your statement before falling to sleep.
Uh, that is what the discussion is about…if gaining any body fat at all is any sort of significant health risk.[/quote]
Dozens and dozens of posts across multiple threads full of you wheezing and flopping your way through the same old tired song and dance… and NOW you get bored.
Sure thing, brah. Everyone believes you.
I am not going to spell it out for you again because I KNOW that you understand what was meant (it was outlined quite clearly), just as I KNOW that this flimsy nitpicking of yours is nothing more substantial than an embarrassingly puerile attempt at preserving some measure of intellectual clout in this discussion… which is interesting, considering how little you care about what anyone on this site thinks of you.
While you’re totally pathetic when it comes to this sort of thing, I wouldn’t go so far as to chalk it up to mere trolling. I honestly do believe that your refusal to concede defeat, or even skulk away like the coward you are, is just the awkward, pitiable offspring of a primitively misguided confidence in your intellectual prowess and some barely latent self-esteem issues which routinely manifest as a delusional sense of pride and a rabid need to defend your imaginary throne on this website.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Your posts are great.[/quote]
Thanks, man. That’s very much appreciated coming from someone like you.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
How do you have the energy to post like this? lol[/quote]
Honestly, I enjoy the material. I like the idea of being challenged and having to justify my beliefs in a way that is both logical and empirically-supported. I mean, it’s one thing to SAY you’re here for serious discussions only to wind up hee-hawing from the academic periphery with vague or useless contributions like “Genetics!” or “blah”, but it’s another thing entirely to actually throw yourself into the fray with contributions meant to ELEVATE the discussion rather than to soak up as much limelight as possible.
While debating X is about as hard on my neurons as arm wrestling a child on Benadryl is on my rotator cuff, it’s a nice opportunity to dust off the cobwebs and keep things organized upstairs. If others find my posts to be informative and, perhaps, entertaining, so much the better.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
blah
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LOL
You’d really have just been better off doing more “pretending not to post much anymore” than to actually throw this out there thinking that it comes across as some sort of bored dismissal. Because, really, you and I both know that this is actually nothing more than a tacit admission of you wishing that just ignored my initial post (like you do all the other logical rebuttals which routinely dismantle your asinine assertions).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Oh, I found this in your statement before falling to sleep.
Uh, that is what the discussion is about…if gaining any body fat at all is any sort of significant health risk.[/quote]
Dozens and dozens of posts across multiple threads full of you wheezing and flopping your way through the same old tired song and dance… and NOW you get bored.
Sure thing, brah. Everyone believes you.
I am not going to spell it out for you because I KNOW that you understand what was meant, just as I KNOW that this flimsy nitpicking of yours is nothing more substantial than an embarrassingly puerile attempt at preserving some measure of intellectual clout in this discussion… which is interesting, considering how little you care about what anyone on this site thinks of you.
While you’re totally pathetic when it comes to this sort of thing, I wouldn’t go so far as to chalk it up to mere trolling. I honestly do believe that your refusal to concede defeat, or even skulk away like the coward you are, is just the awkward, pitiable offspring of a primitive confidence in your intellectual prowess and some barely latent self-esteem issues which routinely manifest as a delusional sense of pride and a rabid need to defend your imaginary throne on this website.[/quote]
Good God, the man can write!
Man, X is getting stomped by anon in this debate. Entertaining.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Man, X is getting stomped by anon in this debate. Entertaining.[/quote]
Its like watching a cage fight where one fighter is down knocked senseless and the other just keeps pounding away. The referee should step in at this point and save that PX bloke I reckon.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I lose fat from my belly last. Is that a risk factor or just how I carry fat?[/quote]
Not necessarily.
The evidence put forth in this thread illustrates the risk of intra-abdominal (visceral) fat, which is adipose tissue within the abdominal cavity and which surrounds the organs (viscera).
While it is often colloquially referred to as just “abdominal fat” or “abdominal obesity”, it is different than the subcutaneous abdominal fat that we typically seen hanging over someone’s belt even though, as one might expect, a relationship does exist.
Thanks, fellas. Just glad to see that some here got a little more than “blah” out of the discussion.
Good to see some coherent and well worded and researched posts. Thank you
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Good to see some coherent and well worded and researched posts. Thank you[/quote]
x2
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I lose fat from my belly last. Is that a risk factor or just how I carry fat?[/quote]
Not necessarily.
The evidence put forth in this thread illustrates the risk of intra-abdominal (visceral) fat, which is adipose tissue within the abdominal cavity and which surrounds the organs (viscera).
While it is often colloquially referred to as just “abdominal fat” or “abdominal obesity”, it is different than the subcutaneous abdominal fat that we typically seen hanging over someone’s belt even though, as one might expect, a relationship does exist.[/quote]
thanks, is that intra-abdominal fat more the omentum?
the part of my belly I’m referring to is definitely subcutaneous fat so I probably shouldn’t worry
I haven’t frequented this site in a looong time but holy fuck’ professor fruit cake is still yapping on about the same old shite! Where does he get his energy from?
Lads’ I genuinely think he is full on bananas so there is literally no point in arguing with him. He’ll still be here in 10 more years defending his non-competing fat hole with twisted logic, fallacious arguments, straw men, ad hominems, slippery slopes, moving goal posts etc etc etc…
He gets wet for this stuff and can’t wait to turn on his computer to blow his load all over another thread, all.over.again.FOREVAHHH…
[quote]SLAINGE wrote:
He gets wet for this stuff and can’t wait to turn on his computer to blow his load all over another thread, all.over.again.FOREVAHHH…
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I have thought this for a long time. I hope he doesn’t rush his patients appointments to get back to his fapping over the PC. I fear for his patients at times
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Your posts are great.[/quote]
Thanks, man. That’s very much appreciated coming from someone like you.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
How do you have the energy to post like this? lol[/quote]
Honestly, I enjoy the material. I like the idea of being challenged and having to justify my beliefs in a way that is both logical and empirically-supported. I mean, it’s one thing to SAY you’re here for serious discussions only to wind up hee-hawing from the academic periphery with vague or useless contributions like “Genetics!” or “blah”, but it’s another thing entirely to actually throw yourself into the fray with contributions meant to ELEVATE the discussion rather than to soak up as much limelight as possible.
While debating X is about as hard on my neurons as arm wrestling a child on Benadryl is on my rotator cuff, it’s a nice opportunity to dust off the cobwebs and keep things organized upstairs. If others find my posts to be informative and, perhaps, entertaining, so much the better.[/quote]
We don’t high five over here and I know americanos are partial to a high five so HIGH FIVE MAN for an informative and coherent read against a backdrop of x induced insanity.
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]SLAINGE wrote:
He gets wet for this stuff and can’t wait to turn on his computer to blow his load all over another thread, all.over.again.FOREVAHHH…
[/quote]
I have thought this for a long time. I hope he doesn’t rush his patients appointments to get back to his fapping over the PC. I fear for his patients at times[/quote]
[quote]SLAINGE wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]SLAINGE wrote:
He gets wet for this stuff and can’t wait to turn on his computer to blow his load all over another thread, all.over.again.FOREVAHHH…
[/quote]
I have thought this for a long time. I hope he doesn’t rush his patients appointments to get back to his fapping over the PC. I fear for his patients at times[/quote]
LOL
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
thanks, is that intra-abdominal fat more the omentum?
the part of my belly I’m referring to is definitely subcutaneous fat so I probably shouldn’t worry[/quote]
While intra-abdominal fat is, from what I’ve read, mainly found within the mesentery and omentum, the term is commonly used to describe both peri- and intra-organ adipose tissue (and even this difference can have a profound effect on our physiology). Beyond that, not a clue. I know that cross-sectional imaging methods (MRI, CT scanning) are currently the gold standard for examining this sort of thing (short of autopsy, I suppose), but I don’t know enough about the techniques to even tentatively comment on their ability to differentiate between the fat in either location AT ALL, much less accurately.
And, as mentioned, as long as you exercise you will likely be good to go. Interestingly (I guess), one of the features of visceral fat that makes it such a RISK FACTOR for disease is also what, ostensibly, makes it fairly manageable in individuals who engage in weight-management protocols.
But that’s a yarn for a different campfire.