Body Fat and Heart Disease

Training
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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Apparently you’re not fucking reading the sentences in which BMI dosn’t apply to the training population! Are you selectively fucking blind?! [/quote]

No…I also read you write

…which is flat out wrong. more muscle means higher body weight, so yes, many here would be considered "overweight by BMI…not what YOU wrote.

We are discussing the training population. That is what the whole fucking discussion is about.[/quote]

Keep up with the word and illusion weaving.

[/quote]

Wow.

No word weaving in

You wrote that.

I didn’t “weave” that. You think that most here would not be considered overweight by BMI. OK.

I am simply quoting what YOU wrote. That’s it.

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And also keep misinterpreting my statements. Good one.

Oh, I forgot, because one goes to a fucking gym and eats a certain way, they’re invincible. That worked out great for Dave Tate (refer to the Dave Tate Project). Obesity did him a body good, right?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And also keep misinterpreting my statements. Good one.

Oh, I forgot, because one goes to a fucking gym and eats a certain way, they’re invincible. That worked out great for Dave Tate (refer to the Dave Tate Project). Obesity did him a body good, right?[/quote]

It changes a hell of a lot, doofus. Someone training every day can NOT be held to the same health standards as sedentary people. You are arguing this now?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Apparently you’re not fucking reading the sentences in which BMI dosn’t apply to the training population! Are you selectively fucking blind?! [/quote]

No…I also read you write

…which is flat out wrong. more muscle means higher body weight, so yes, many here would be considered "overweight by BMI…not what YOU wrote.

We are discussing the training population. That is what the whole fucking discussion is about.[/quote]

Keep up with the word and illusion weaving.

[/quote]

Wow.

No word weaving in

You wrote that.

I didn’t “weave” that. You think that most here would not be considered overweight by BMI. OK.

I am simply quoting what YOU wrote. That’s it.[/quote]

i said it’s a worthless ASSESSMENT, hence why it showing obesity would be IGNORED!

Now you can’t read a sentence in its entirety.

I wrote it over and over and over again: BMI Is not a clinical indicator in trained populations!

So fuck you!

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Wait, what are others thinking of me? Are they approving of my posts or not? Does CT agree with me?!

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Brick, it’s not worth it bro…it’s like trying to talk to a plant.

You cannot win.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]whatever2k wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
<— 29.5 BMI here and proud of it :)[/quote]

28,7 here:P

Gotta find a way to gain 4 more kg’s to get into the obese category:D

You are practically there already!:wink:
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Hahaha yeah. I’m around 5’10" and I’m usually just a few pounds over 200. If I can add just a couple more pounds I could crack that magical 30 BMI mark and enter obesity land![/quote]

Why would you apply BMI for a weight training person such as yourself?[/quote]
For fun :slight_smile:

In fact I think we even had a BMI thread a little while back. It was pretty funny. God what would Bauber be? Like 40 maybe lol.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

“BMI of 30 or above OR 25% more bodyfat.”[/quote]

BMI means nothing to the training population. The fact that you keep using it is starting to make you look like you are really misinformed.

PX in a BSL thread.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
This [/quote]

LOL

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Everyday when I check this forum, X has fucked up about the first 4 or 5 threads with his nonsense it seems. When will it end?

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Everyday when I check this forum, X has fucked up about the first 4 or 5 threads with his nonsense it seems. When will it end? [/quote]

And how many of your 200 posts have been about Professor X?

I’m really tired of seeing all of this, from any and all sides.

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The fucked up thing is that this retard loves this shit - he really does. He has absolutely no shame, he contradicts himself, talks shit on everyone and everything, looks like a total moron in his insane, pandering, selectively biased, cherry picked responses, ignoring anything he can’t refute posting style and he DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK!

He will plug his ears and scream nah nah nah nah nah while continually posting the same fucking picture over and over, insisting on reminding everyone of his scale weight, and shouting down even people that garner tremendous respect like Stu - a PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER.

LMAO - fuck this clown. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of people corroborate what a dick wad this tool behaves like, and he chooses 2 nutswingers with 10 posts and no pictures to say “DUR HUR Great post!” As Stu said, this fucker posts on NO other BB sites because he’d be laughed off in record time. It’s why he sits here for 10 fucking years spouting the same trite, tired horseshit over and over and over.

Zraw was 100% spot on - the only way to make this worthless dickhead go away is to utterly ignore him. Why do you think he shits his pants like a 250 pound toddler on a daily basis around here? It gets him NOTICED!!

Fuck Professor X once and for all - bloody Christ - ignore this angry, delusional, self important man child, I beg of you all!!

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SkyNett, why don’t you tell us how you really feel?

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If everyone put him on ignore then you wouldn’t see his posts. But instead people keep arguing him instead of the issues.
I don’t know why SmashingWeights keeps putting up the “ignore X” post because it’s clear that many people just enjoy the argument.

It’s also ironic that people complain about X wanting attention in a post that complains about X wanting attention.

Back to the question, are we discussing whether or carrying excess bodyfat is just one of many leading indicators of cardio vascular disease or the leading indicator? It seems like people are arguing that carrying excess bodyfat is definitely going to lead to CVD. I think we all know that’s false.

The argument that it is one of a handful of leading indicators could most likely be proven fairly easily. Of course we’re talking about the entire population and we know that in that population there’s going to be outliers. Some fat people are going to be really healthy and live a long time. Some really skinny people are going to have heart attacks and die early.

I’m sure that stress, blood pressure, etc all play a factor. I’m also sure that in some cases carrying too much fat is a factor.

james

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It means patient with high visceral adipose tissue accumulation are at greater risk for disease…something we already know.[/quote]

fullhouse = visceral adiposity

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[quote]atypical1 wrote:
If everyone put him on ignore then you wouldn’t see his posts. But instead people keep arguing him instead of the issues.
I don’t know why SmashingWeights keeps putting up the “ignore X” post because it’s clear that many people just enjoy the argument.

It’s also ironic that people complain about X wanting attention in a post that complains about X wanting attention.

Back to the question, are we discussing whether or carrying excess bodyfat is just one of many leading indicators of cardio vascular disease or the leading indicator? It seems like people are arguing that carrying excess bodyfat is definitely going to lead to CVD. I think we all know that’s false.

The argument that it is one of a handful of leading indicators could most likely be proven fairly easily. Of course we’re talking about the entire population and we know that in that population there’s going to be outliers. Some fat people are going to be really healthy and live a long time. Some really skinny people are going to have heart attacks and die early.

I’m sure that stress, blood pressure, etc all play a factor. I’m also sure that in some cases carrying too much fat is a factor.

james[/quote]

That’s for the reply James.
The original question/debate was sparked based on whether or not people thought being overweight (excess fat not BMI) was A risk factor for CVD.
Obvious it is not the only cause or even the leading cause in many causes but A risk factor.

Then we were looking for accompanying info and thoughts.
Obviously most posters on a site like this are into lifting and being healthy is somewhat of a factor for all.
Considering CVD is a major killer in our country I thought some awareness on the topic would be helpful.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
The fucked up thing is that this retard loves this shit - he really does. He has absolutely no shame, he contradicts himself, talks shit on everyone and everything, looks like a total moron in his insane, pandering, selectively biased, cherry picked responses, ignoring anything he can’t refute posting style and he DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK!

He will plug his ears and scream nah nah nah nah nah while continually posting the same fucking picture over and over, insisting on reminding everyone of his scale weight, and shouting down even people that garner tremendous respect like Stu - a PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER.

LMAO - fuck this clown. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of people corroborate what a dick wad this tool behaves like, and he chooses 2 nutswingers with 10 posts and no pictures to say “DUR HUR Great post!” As Stu said, this fucker posts on NO other BB sites because he’d be laughed off in record time. It’s why he sits here for 10 fucking years spouting the same trite, tired horseshit over and over and over.

Zraw was 100% spot on - the only way to make this worthless dickhead go away is to utterly ignore him. Why do you think he shits his pants like a 250 pound toddler on a daily basis around here? It gets him NOTICED!!

Fuck Professor X once and for all - bloody Christ - ignore this angry, delusional, self important man child, I beg of you all!! [/quote]

so much this, where he one any other website he would be banned within 3 days.

his lack of respect for everyone including professional bodybuilders is disgraceful. i would actually like to seem him banned, but we all know this wont happen. he is a troll plain and simple, every thread he comes into he wrecks (the pre-fatigue thread).

us teens are generally known for lack of respect but you really do take the cake, i think you have pissed of or insulted 90% of the posters on this website. if he wasnt a troll he would have found another website to post on long ago, considering no one here takes anything he says serious anymore. we all know he wont but, he will sit there and keep doing what he always has.

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@SBT-I admit, a good deal of my 200 posts do probably have something to do with X. However, that could be due to the fact that he barges into almost any thread that has anything to do with “bulking”, “getting big”, etc. etc. because he thinks he is an authority on those things. Then, as a result, an argument breaks out and the thread is ruined. I’m just being vocal about how much bullshit I think that is.

Lastly, I have been a lurker on here for a number of years now and refrained from posting until this year because of how often threads seemed to go to shit as of late. I didn’t want to participate in that. However, I decided that I wasn’t going to rob myself of being a part of a good community of like-minded individuals just because of one bad, bad apple.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
The fucked up thing is that this retard loves this shit - he really does. He has absolutely no shame, he contradicts himself, talks shit on everyone and everything, looks like a total moron in his insane, pandering, selectively biased, cherry picked responses, ignoring anything he can’t refute posting style and he DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK!

He will plug his ears and scream nah nah nah nah nah while continually posting the same fucking picture over and over, insisting on reminding everyone of his scale weight, and shouting down even people that garner tremendous respect like Stu - a PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER.

LMAO - fuck this clown. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of people corroborate what a dick wad this tool behaves like, and he chooses 2 nutswingers with 10 posts and no pictures to say “DUR HUR Great post!” As Stu said, this fucker posts on NO other BB sites because he’d be laughed off in record time. It’s why he sits here for 10 fucking years spouting the same trite, tired horseshit over and over and over.

Zraw was 100% spot on - the only way to make this worthless dickhead go away is to utterly ignore him. Why do you think he shits his pants like a 250 pound toddler on a daily basis around here? It gets him NOTICED!!

Fuck Professor X once and for all - bloody Christ - ignore this angry, delusional, self important man child, I beg of you all!! [/quote]

so much this, where he one any other website he would be banned within 3 days.

his lack of respect for everyone including professional bodybuilders is disgraceful. i would actually like to seem him banned, but we all know this wont happen. he is a troll plain and simple, every thread he comes into he wrecks (the pre-fatigue thread).

us teens are generally known for lack of respect but you really do take the cake, i think you have pissed of or insulted 90% of the posters on this website. if he wasnt a troll he would have found another website to post on long ago, considering no one here takes anything he says serious anymore. we all know he wont but, he will sit there and keep doing what he always has.[/quote]

This is an OK post I can sympathize with, but I really do feel like a moron for saying, “F— you” to him and I apologize and feel guilty.

It’s just I lost my temper after having my words mixed around all the time. Perhaps I didn’t express myself as best as I could (I was in a rush) with the whole BMI thing but anyone with half a brain could’ve gotten what I was talking about. I’ll try to focus on other threads without arguing with him anymore, but find it hard to get drawn in. X is a person like everyone else, and although he irritated me, I shouldn’t have done that.