Will do. Was a bit discouraged after reading and since i’m a little ocd, it made sense to me: I am on trt and after the blast i’m just coming back to MY “normal” test blood range/injection dosage, not to some elevated “cruise levels”, which would probably be 200-250mg/w I guess. Which would further also probably be like as if I had nothing to do with trt in the first place and wanted to CnB, right? I don’t really need an answer here, im gonna imagine that a considerable ammount of bodybuilders succesfuly cruise on 100-150😄.
Been reading here almost every day since I joined, and after months of delaying while finding the cause of/ and fixing my injuries, I guess I just wanted to at least hear “try it, the gains miiight juuust be sustainable”.
Training properly(now again possible) and eating properly is not the problem. After 20 years I have the discipline.
And when I further think about it, the guys on gear are of course shut down, that’s not even a question. Surely SOME(and I hope MANY) of them cruise on a very low dosage that just puts them in THEIR normal range(NOT supraphysiological), just ike my trt would do to me and are succesful.
I thought blast and cruise is absolutely common terminology for those on TRT in perpetuity but who also run regular (or periodic or occasional) steroid cycles. The cruise is your normal TRT does and the blast is periodic cycles. Instead of doing PCT after a cycle, you just go back to cruising on your TRT dose. In fact, I’m not sure what sensible application blast and cruise has outside of TRT. Is the cruise just a lower dose between heavy cycles? At some point, you presumably still have to come off completely and do a PCT if you’re not on TRT or you will kill your endogenous T production.
Yes and no.
Many people mistake a cruise for TRT and claim they are on TRT while they actually are on much higher doses.
Basically - a cruise could be TRT in a case you described, but not all cruises are TRT.
TRT could be something that puts you in a range of like 6-10k. Cruise has no limits. Its only rule is that it has to be less than you blasted on. There are people who cruise on 500mgs with some other shit added. There are also people on 250-300mgs that claim they are on a TRT, which is not entirely correct to claim so.
Yes. If you blast on boatloads of steroids to perform at your maximum abilities, you then cruise to give your body a rest, and you mind some rest, you take a vacation, you dont push every training session etc, but you adjust the drugs so it is somewhat of a relief but the dose is high enough to maintain everything at least for that time.
Blast and Cruise does not lead to PCT ever. It will end up with TRT sooner or later.
The main point is that TRT is for health and has limits. Cruise is just for a little break and has no limits - it will depend on the person.
I would suppose this is true for the non-competitor, but the competitor is trying to minimize as much as possible the loss of gains while not blasting. I would think the competitor far exceeds the TRT dosage, never less than 200mg/wk, probably a little higher.
Lose everything in the end sure if we are talking about very advanced age. But I know many other middle-aged lifters on TRT that keep most of their cycle gains in the near term on TRT doses. It’s been years since I’ve personally run gear but planning to do a blast in the next year or so before moving back to TRT dose. We’ll see how much is maintained.
Are you talking about professional bodybuilders? And what ages? It also depends if you truly NEED TRT because your own production has become subpar. Greg Doucette has dropped just to a TRT dose between cycles after he started. I think a lot of older bodybuilders have.
Sure its all individual.
Firstly there are different TRT dosages… i have seen 75mgs and also 200mgs prescribed as TRT, so that is a huge difference.
Also peoples genetics are different. It seems that people with bodybuilding genetics like Lee Priest never used much more than average cruise doses for a blast, haha.
Greg Doucette also weighs like 190lbs or smth.
Take me for example. Im around 260lbs and nowhere near a pro bodybuilder. I dont think i could maintain shit with dosages that Doucette uses.
And if id want to look like Doucette id have to be 300lbs. Which means his blasts would be my cruises.
I think we’re saying basically the same thing. My point is that once you decide to Blast and Cruise rather than cycle, I think you are committing to some form of T for the rest of your life, whether at TRT therapeutic levels or otherwise. I just don’t want the young guys reading this to take it lightly.
i am of belief that if you start steroids you are on them for life… i am against cycling as i believe it fucks people up a lot - i did that when i was 18 and i remember how comming off felt.
I believe that people either live this life or they dont go near it.
I dont care for people who just play with this stuff and then have problems comming off - it was a mistake in the first place.
I both agree and disagree. I know too many, myself included, who recovered well (and without fertility issues) to agree that someone in their 20s or early 30s should run T in perpetuity if they’ve done 1 or more cycles. Certainly not without seeing how they do with PCT. But I do think that folks should come as close to their genetic potential as possible before boosting their T to supraphysiological levels. And they should be prepared for the possibility of adverse effects and longterm consequences. (Sorry for the lack of quotation of what I’m replying to; been a long time since I commented on these forums; I think they changed the format)
Competitors are both pro and amateur
Competitors are both young and older. At 50+ people start to grasp their mortality and tend to become more life extension leaning.
The question you should ask is, What won’t a competitor do to win?
And I should add that some are competing with themselves. You don’t believe that they would be willing to do all that is possible to improve?
Still can’t help it . I come back to the forum every day.
I just wanna be conviced, at least here verbally before I start, just one more time please , that at least some, if not many NON pros, hold on to most of their muscle mass on a standard trt dose. Talking low side here, <200mg.
That’s why I asked what you meant. I don’t really know. I don’t personally know anyone on TRT that is still actively competing in bodybuilding. I mean older men who legitimately need TRT. But many competitors won’t do “what it takes” to win. Everyone has to decide their own comfort level and risk profile. I’ve known some folks who push themselves as far as they can and who have done conservative cycles but were unwilling to take the kind of gear necessary to take it to the next level. Or did so when they were younger but reached a certain age when they no longer do so. I would think there are some competitors who drop to TRT levels off cycle, but I agree it’s likely a minority. And most that want to prioritize health and longevity probably just stop competing.
Depending on genetics.
Doucette claims to be on like 75mgs.
I believe Lee Priest keeps most his gains natty :
So its all about genetics
If thats what you want to know - if there is at least 1 person who maintains epic gains with low dose trt or natty then yes, 100% sure there is 1 and probably more than 1.
My logic is the opposite of yours tho. I know i have shit genetics and i shouldnt even do anything physical so if id know that there is at least 1 person who DOESNT maintain his gains, id be sure ill be the second one, so going by your way of thinking would not mean much to me.
. I come back to the forum every day.
, that at least some, if not many NON pros, hold on to most of their muscle mass on a standard trt dose. Talking low side here, <200mg.
