no way for us to know if 125mg is good dose for you. Labwork and symptoms will guide you.
no, point of a cruise is to give your body a break.
you wont’ be adding winstrol (see #2), so this won’t matter. And if you did, again, we can’t tell you what dose is good for your cruise.
Hope that helps
I agree, I still think of a cruise as a “break” from anything but test, even if test is at a little higher dose than standard TRT. But in the OP case, his blast is kinda like a cruise, and his cruise is kinda like a mini blast if adding orals in
yeah, OP is clueless about what he wants to do…
Depends on your goals and response to Test. I would have to “cruise” on higher than my prescribed TRT dose to maintain past a certain point.
Personal choice but cruising is typically for a period as long as your blast and orals should be limited to a shorter period of time IMO.
Nobody can answer what your dosage should be but you however in general an oral steroid is an adjunct and you don’t adjust your test dose down because you added one.
This thread and this post ruined everything I ever planned 
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Is it really true, and that simple? As someone on trt for years, who never did a cycle, who wanted to try blasting as I am basically at my genetic limit, or at least genetic limit for my age(lifting for 20+ years):
I would always lose everything I would gain on a blast, regardless that I’m always gonna go back to my 125mg/w test. E. + HCG(don’t wanna change that), for life?
Sorry to hijack a thread, if there’s room for discussion I can post this in the one thread I made here several months ago.
I think @mnben87 has stated every 100ng/dl increase of test levels is good for (supporting an extra) like 6lbs of lbm.
Think being a super key word here. I tagged him so he can correct me
I don’t understand if sarcastic or…?
No, I am not being sarcastic. From most things I read before, cycling when on TRT has an advantage of not having to do PCT, ever, where one loses everything, unless one plans to cruise and cycles/blasts again.
Judging from this thread, cruising and TRT are COMPLETELY different things and cycling/blasting when already on trt brings no real susteinable muscle gain.
If it really/simply is like that, I shouldn’t start blasting, since there is no point, only possible health concerns…Right?
Yes and no.
It is true, but its not that simple because individuals responce to drugs is waaaay different from person to person.
One person gains a lot on a blast, some gain less. Some people maintain a lot on a lower dose, some dont.
What i think happens is… if you could maintain more on your TRT, you would also be able to gain it, just in a longer time.
For example, if one could blast 3 grams for 4 months and then maintain the solid gains(not the post-blast gains, but actual gains) on 300mgs a week, i believe he could be able to reach same gains on just 300mgs a week but in maybe a year or more.
if you hormones dont let you build more, im not sure they will let you maintain more. I also do believe that cruises also dont let you maintain forever. They just slow down the degradation pretty good.
I really think that if someone blasts 3grams and cruises on 300mgs, if he would cruise for 5 years on 300mgs, his body would come to the point at which he could have been by never blasting and being on 300mgs for these years anyway. Its just that cruise is to slow down the degradation, reduce stress, and let you blast again before you actually lost muscle.
A true TRT is mimicking you natural levels, which means that if you blast and then TRT you dont get the troubles and risks of PCT but you do lose gains in a while because why would you be able to maintain your blast gains on natural levels of test?
The PCT is a different problem - it digs a deep hole that needs to be filled before you even get back to natural test, and with it comes a lot of problems and struggles. Going back on TRT cancels these, but it doesnt change the fact that if something is built on more, it has to be maintained on more.
Idk how it is in USA, but im my country we have this thing where you can buy a house that costs like 200k, and pay for it your whole life monthly, but when the payments are done, you actually have paid at least 400k.
The thing with this is that the monthly payments are bigger if the house is more expensive at the beginning. So if you would buy a 300k house instead of 200k house, not only you pay more every month, you also end up overpaying more.
The blasting and cruising and maintaining gains works exactly like this. The bigger the blast makes you, the more the monthly fees(cruise) is needed to maintain it.
It is ridiculous to think that one could blast like a mofo and then maintain all the goodies by staying on the safe side of steroid use. Nothing in life works like this. Nothing.
TRT is better than PCT because you dont have to recover from the hole that stopping steroids creates, but its not enough to maintain gains. It just slows down the losing speed. And as i said - i believe a cruise does so also. I dont think anyone can blast up to 300lbs by doing grams of shit for years and then actually maintain it forever on 250-300 or even 500. I believe the losing process would be slow enough that we might not see it and feel it so much, but i really think that unless the person has like Jay Cutler genetics, if you blasted on 3 grams, and then cruised on 500mgs for 5 years you would end up lookling like a person on 500mgs who never blasted.
cycling and TRT don’t belong in the same sentence. when you are on TRT you are blasting and cruising.
they are the same thing. when your blast is done go back to your TRT dose and cruise
not true. 500mg for 16 weeks with proper training and nutrition then back to TRT dose. you’ll gain muscle, you’ll gain some strength and presuming you continue to eat and train like were, you’ll keep what you gained on your TRT dose.
In my experience this is not true presuming again your nutrition and training are dialed in.
As a 73 year old guy I could make the same argument about there was no point in lifting weights at all. You are just going to lose it in old age.
If you even had it for a day, you had it.
One of my favorite sayings: “It is better to be a has been, than a never was.”
I agree with hank. It may seem as if our responses contradict each other. His answer is speaking to extremes. I don’t know you, I get the feeling you are closer to what I suggest 500mg per week for 16 weeks than 3 grams per week and 300lbs.
I disagree with this because a TRT dose would come from - what is good and healthy. While a cruise dose would come from what is needed to maintain gains.
I do agree that if a blast is very mild, a cruise dose would be lower and therefore simmilar to TRT dose, but i would really love people to sepperate the terms TRT and cruise.
Yes. In this case - maybe.
Its just that i wouldnt call 500mgs a blast as FOR ME this dosage wouldnt do much good, BUT if one would benefit from 500mgs, then a TRT amounts for a cruise would…if not maintain, but slow the lose for long enough period.
Anyways, we will always lose ALL blast gains, no matter if its TRT or a cruise dose, because otherwise every 80yr old guy would be able to maintain his best physique on a TRT dose, right? So i like what @RT_Nomad said. At the end we all lose everything, but its the experience what matters. Its like banging a hot chick. After its done, technically nothing of it is left but we kind of still enjoy the fact about that experience.
So the research was on natural guys. I believe they used a huge sample size to cancel out genetic differences, and accounted for height. From what I remember, each 100 ng/dL was good for about 1 lb of LBM.
When we are considering guys who are blasting and cruising (hopefully guys close to their natural limit when starting), then this can make a pretty big difference. A true TRT regimen that shoots for an average test level of 800 ng/dL (I believe we should be using average levels instead of trough), vs a 1500 ng/dL cruise is going to be on average 7 LBM difference (if we assume that rule). 7 LBM is a big difference. Now we are talking about a 7 LBM difference over TRT (which is going to be higher than almost anyone natty, because 800 ng/dL average in a natty is extremely rare, as tests are performed at peak levels in natties (most of the time)).
Then there is the factor of not having extremely low levels after a cycle, and a period of recovery time.
Yeah, your replies completely contradict each other, but I understand both of you😂.
It is funny, my question, in my thread where I asked for advice on the first ever cycle after years on trt, was should I inject 500mg/week or 625mg/week, since i’m on 125/w(which puts me in normal range) and the first cycle recommended is 500/w.
So yeah, first cycle ever, thus nowhere near the 3gr/week of gear.
Thanks all of you. I think there is no other way to know but to try and see how I do, what I gain, what stays.
Any chance you have a link to this study? or at least some keywords that could be searched?
Yikes
I’ve tried to find it again, but the author (Brad Schoenfeld) has so so many studies and I’ve struggled to find it. Omar Isuf (I think it was Omar), had a video on YouTube about it with Brad. You might be able to find that.
Is it this one?
If anyone has a PubMed or TandFOnline account, now would be the time to flex your academic prowess 
I am not sure, but don’t think so. That one seems to be looking at exogenous hormones.
Yes, exactly.
People are very different and drug responces are also. The principles remain simmilar but if you want to really know for sure, you will just have to test it out.