Blasting for 14-16 weeks on test cyp 250 twice a week. Going to cruise 125mg twice a week for 14-16 weeks
Questions:
2)can I add winstrol to my cruise
What are you doing after this? A cruise implies TRT between cycles.
That wouldn’t be a cruise. Defeats the purpose of it entirely, which is to let your system completely clear the drugs from you body and get healthy again.
Again, not a cruise. If running winny on a blast, I start at 30mg/day and keep test high.
250mg a week is hardly a cruise. Most typical TRT dosage would be 150-200, and even 200 is on the absolute top end of TRT dose. The whole purpose of the cruise is to let your body recover from the blast, which brings me to my next point:
Why would you do this on your cruise? As @galgenstrick said, it defeats the purpose of a cruise.
Not that I agree with anything the OP said… but this is the pharma forum. A cruise and TRT are not the same thing.
Agree with @wanna_be… a cruise can be a higher dosage and it cant be TRT because TRT is supposed to mimic “natural” while cruise is supposed to maintain supra-natural gains, therefore it has to be more than TRT.
So is it a cruise or is it a TRT? You seem to not know what you want.
No.
Then there is no point of a cruise. And no point of TRT. You do a cruise or TRT so you can not take more steroids. When you want to not take steroids but you take steroids, its kind of…stupid.
In both your questions you seem to not be very clear in what you want to do, so its hard to help.
Interesting. I’ve always considered myself on TRT with blasts one or two times a year. Although my “TRT” dose is 220mg/week. I guess by definition, you are correct, real TRT doses would be less. I am not sure how much different cursing at 250mg/week vs 120mg/week would affect one’s body composition.
A lot.
What are your test levels on 220mgs?
Usually sits around 1500 TT on trough.
I do believe a cruise can be TRT dosages, or dosages a Dr. would prescribe for TRT. I started TRT (through a Dr.) before doing a blast. For me the purpose of the blasts has been to get me to my TRT potential faster than on just TRT.
But overall I agree. A cruise can be a lot of things. Generally TRT is seen as the conservative approach. It goes up from there. I know individuals that have cruised on 1 gram. 500 mg/wk test is common for a cruise.
I guess I don’t understand the purpose of going on cruise if you aren’t going to let your body recover from the blast… Running around at 1500TT trough sounds like it would bring about health concerns far sooner than lowering dose to ~1000TT.
I thought the whole purpose of going on cruise was to let your body recover without losing too much gains.
IDK are you so huge that it takes 250mg per week (free t of 1500+) to maintain what you built while you let your body rest. (purpose of a cruise)
Are you on trt? whats your weekly dose, if you are?
I cruise on 100mg total per week.
you can do whatever you want. your body your experiment. once you add compounds it’s no longer a cruise, you’re no longer giving your body a break.
If you don’t know enough about these two compounds to know what an effective dose will be, you have more reading to do. nobodies going to spoon feed you.
Going on a cruise is lowering the drugs enough to maintain your muscle mass while giving your body a break from all the drugs.
I don’t fall into this category, but plenty of guys need 300+mg a week to hold their gains. Once you are past your natural “genetic limit”, something has to be leveraged to maintain those gains.
The dudes cruising on 500mg/wk are monsters blasting multiple grams of gear a week. Going from 3,000+mg/wk to 500mg/wk IS giving their body a “break”.
I shouldn’t get involved in something I never did, so my opinion might be worthless.
Considering my disclaimer, I can see how being on TRT is somewhat comparable to being “off cycle.”
If I had known about the benefits of “blast and cruise”, I would have been sure to keep my testosterone dosage in “cruise” at the very high end of the natural range, that is I would be targeting at least 1,100 ng/mL when tested in the trough.
(On TRT I target to test between 500 and 600 ng/mL in the trough.)
So why are we advising to dose supraphysiological levels for TRT without knowing if OP is beyond their genetic limit? That’s kind of what I was getting at.
Pretty hard to tell if someone is developed beyond their genetic limit while still 15%+ BF
I don’t think anyone in this thread is.
I think the only way to tell for sure is if they can’t hold onto muscle at the top of the range.
I also don’t think BF levels play much of a role, especially not at 15%. A 6’ tall dude who is 300lbs and 15%bf is an absolute mass monster.
We also don’t know Jack shit about OP
My perspective may be off then - it felt like supraphysiological TT levels during cruise were being advised, which may not be the case.
Agree with the rest of your post
Isnt that way over some mid-range natty? Technically thats not TRT.
Yes and no.
Blasting and crusing is not TRT and it has a different goal. Blasting and cruising is for active athletes or people who want to reach some goals and push the limits. Cruising is a toned down steroid abuse to let your body recover from it, but still maintain gains and not get fucked up like it is with cycling.
For someone who blasts 2-5 grams of gear a week with 10ius of GH a day and 70ius of slin a day, toning it down to 500mgs a week is a hell of a reduction of stress.
Main goal of a cruise is to not lose gains. If you come down to TRT levels you kind of lose the point to blast, because a true TRT wont be able to maintain your blast gains.
TRT is supposed to mimic natural, therefore at the end of the day it comes down to being similar to doing a cycle and then just quiting it cold turkey. The gains slowly fade away.
^What he said…
I dont think anyone is advising that.
Its just that he mentioned a cruise and a cruise is something already advanced so its kind of automatic thinking that a person has been training for a bit.
Its kind of like when someone wants to buy a jet fuel, we automatically believe he has a jet and is not actually planning to put it in his scooter so we shouldnt always remind him : “but you know jet fuel is for jets only, right?”
So when someone asks about BnC for me its the only option - person is at his genetic limit.
Yes, agreed. But I’m getting it from a TRT clinic, so always just called it that LOL.
in that case you can find a pharma grade Var and add it, and just call it “medicine” and not a “blast” haha 