[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Heard the 911 call last night on the news. At one point Zimmerman is heard saying, “these fuckin’ coons” under his breath.
If THAT’S not racist, what is?[/quote]
Well…he may have been watching a raccoon thus justifying his love for nature right before he was assaulted by “evil black kid”.
There have to be at least 50 different explanations for why something is NOT racist before we land on that possibility.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I’ve seen a ton of racism in Louisiana. It’s just a part of life there. It’s accepted to a large degree. It’s in Southeast Texas and East Texas too. It’s more subtle and less in your face in Texas but definitely present. I’ve had friends come up to me and say, ‘Why do you hang around those people’. There was an implication they were better friends because they were white and had a higher socioeconomic status.
Another time, I was at a barber shop and two employees were talking the whole time about a black man’s hair they wouldn’t cut because he was black. They said they told him they won’t cut his hair because they don’t know how to cut a black person’s hair, but then they told each that yeah they could cut his hair but told him that because they didn’t want a black person in their shop.
The one time I expected to be singled out and be reverse racism’d against was in a town that was over 90% black at a club. But everyone was as friendly as could be. A few people asked why I went there but were polite and friendly and I had a good time. And I was one of only two white people there at that club.
In Southeast Texas, it’s a combination of the type of racism you’ll see in Latin American and the American South type of racism.[/quote]
There is no such thing as “reverse” racism. But yes deep east Texas, bordering Arkansas and Louisiana, is a weird place. I disagree racism is “a part of life” in general though, even in the deep south.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Also, acting like someone following you around a jewelry store is some huge racist injustice is a joke and Harriet Tubman would probably laugh in your face.
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LOL. Yes…God forbid she expect to be treated like everyone else and allowed to shop without being treated like a criminal.[/quote]
I knew you were going to pick a single quote out of my post and ignore the rest. If being judged on my appearance at a jewelry store is the price I have to pay for preferential treatment in every facet of life, sign me the hell up.
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“If being judged on my appearance at a jewelry store is the price I have to pay for preferential treatment in every facet of life, sign me the hell up”
Brother, are you serious? You can’t be - or else you have no clue about the black experience. That has to be your pre workout suppliment messing with you.
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Petty racism goes both ways. I have plenty of stories, and I’m sure the other white guys here have a few of their own. The difference, as I said, is that I understand that the few racist encounters I’ve experienced are not indicative of black people as a whole. On the other hand, black people seem to find every instance of racism evidence of some national epidemic. [/quote]
I teach in “Damn Yankee Land” (this can be found on most Texas map postcards). Most of my white students say that racism is not a problem here, most of my non-white students disagree. I have had to stop white students at times because what they were saying was blatantly racist but the class, from what I could tell, did not recognise it as such. My point is they assumed they were not racists and sp what they thought or said was not racist.
Like I said earlier, until you felt your life threatened because of the color of your skin you really do not know racism. Once you experience that, the world is a different place.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Heard the 911 call last night on the news. At one point Zimmerman is heard saying, “these fuckin’ coons” under his breath.
If THAT’S not racist, what is?[/quote]
I don’t think anybody is arguing that point any more.[/quote]
Wel, if that point isn’t being argued, then being black alone is being shown blatantly to put you at more risk of dying based only on skin color.
I thought we got “preferential treatment in every facet of life”?
What happened?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Heard the 911 call last night on the news. At one point Zimmerman is heard saying, “these fuckin’ coons” under his breath.
If THAT’S not racist, what is?[/quote]
I don’t think anybody is arguing that point any more.[/quote]
Wel, if that point isn’t being argued, then being black alone is being shown blatantly to put you at more risk of dying based only on skin color.
I thought we got “preferential treatment in every facet of life”?
What happened?[/quote]
Don’t look at it as more at risk of dying as that is too negative. In a positive light you are more likely to be given a free bullet. Now if that isn’t preferential treatment I don’t know what is.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Heard the 911 call last night on the news. At one point Zimmerman is heard saying, “these fuckin’ coons” under his breath.
If THAT’S not racist, what is?[/quote]
I don’t think anybody is arguing that point any more.[/quote]
Wel, if that point isn’t being argued, then being black alone is being shown blatantly to put you at more risk of dying based only on skin color.
I thought we got “preferential treatment in every facet of life”?
What happened?[/quote]
I posted on that. You have a greater risk of getting killed by lightning than getting murdered because you’re black.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Brother, are you serious? You can’t be - or else you have no clue about the black experience.[/quote]
I am sorry, but, for such big dudes, you and Professor X are complete pansies.
As you can probably guess from my name, I come from a people who have a rather storied history of being shit upon.
We’ve been (like your people) slaves.
Nations have systematically discriminated against us for over 2,000 years, forbidding us to own land, persue professions, vote, whatever.
The Europeans kept us in ghettos (that’s where the word comes from, BTW)
We been expelled from contries, en masse, repeatedly
Nations have repeatedly tried to murder us, en masse.
Today, we are routinely attacked by terrorists in our country of origin and abroad (like, say, France, where little kids were murdered a couple days ago).
Iranians and others are striving to nuke us.
In fact, here’s a bit of “discrimination” I’ve had personally:
My wife murdered
My unborn child murdered in my wife’s womb
I’ve had scrapnel pulled out of basically every limb of my body.
In the USA, walking to shul in Brookline, MA, I was hit on the back of the head with a cobblestone by some white guy screaming “fucking Joooooos.” Gave me a concussion.
On the Berkeley Campus, visiting my new wife, I, my wife, and my 3 month old child were pelted with human shit and told to “go back to Israel” by some asshole who sprinted away.
Walking past the “Occupy Wall Street” morons, I got “joooo” and “fuck Israel” catcalls.
In Houston a couple weeks ago, I was putting gas in my rental car by the airport, when 3 or more black boys in a car launched a slurpee at my back, covering me with red sticky crap as they drove away — screaming “fuck you Jew!”
And that’s what I remember off the top of my head. Not a week goes past without some random person making shitty comments.
And sadly, my experience is hardly unique. While Jewish people amount to 1.8% of the USA population, we are the victims of 69% of religion-based hate crimes (yes, I will give you a link if you want it), and something like 16% of all hate crimes overall.
Now, I could be a pansy, and whine about people not “understanding the Jewish experience.”
But, I am not a pansy.
Instead, I chose to be happy, have a great and loving family, serve G-d and my fellow man, and do financially very, very, well, and not let the assholes get me down.
And I am hardly unique. Jewish folk do great overall in the USA.
Far better than average, in fact, despite widespread discrimination.
(In fact, the group most likely to be anti-semitic in the USA are — ready ---- blacks.) (And yes, I am happy to provide a cite to this.)
++++++++
Oh, and as aside, how much did affirmative action help me get into MIT and, later, Harvard Law? None at all.
Bumpkiss.
In fact, when I went to Harvard, they had a maximum number of Jewish students because we were doing too well, and they wanted to keep our numbers down.
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In short, the victim mentality is a sure-fire way to be a loser.
Jewbacca, you live in a gated community for reasons we can all understand. No one is making light of anyone else’s experience. There are people getting murdered in parts of the world just for walking outside. That doesn’t make this instance any less significant.
Sorry for your loss and everything you’ve been through.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
By the power vested in me by the Internet Dwarf Guild, I now proclaim TigerTIme an enemy of the internets, and hereby banish him from T-Nation.
Thank you.
Refreshments will now be served in the cafeteria.[/quote]
Cute.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Socially speaking, Africa is still behind medieval Europe. [/quote]
The KKK has taught you well.
I’m sure your black ‘‘friends’’ agree with you and happily tap you on the back when you tell them you see them as inferior, stupid and criminals.
I’m done with replying to your bigoted tedious flapass.[/quote]
That’s a relief. Your replies weren’t very much of a reply at all.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Still waiting on the “outrage” over suggesting that blacks have a natural athletic advantage, especially over Asians.
I guess only the brain is off limits by evolution, hmm?[/quote]
Of course you included that in your fucking racist tirade to hide your blatant bias.
Just like the racist pig that throws slurs after slurs at a black person’s face then taps him on the back, grinning, and says he was only joking. He then he adds this, ‘‘hey, you blacks have some awesome athletic genes. That’s awesome!’’
'kay, this time I’m really done with you.
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Wait, didn’t you just say you were done replying?
I didn’t point it out to hide any bias, to the contrary I pointed it out to reveal your bias.
Unless you contend that evolution stopped at the neck, you’re being inconsistent.
Oh yeah? Well my people were the Vikings and… uh, oh wait, they beat up on the rest of Europe, took what they wanted and enslaved white dudes. Nevermind.
Sorry other white dudes but you can’t have any mules. Shit happened a long time ago and I had no say in it.
I was reading more about this and found out some additional info. An audio expert who listened to the tape stated that it sounded like Zimmerman said “punks” and not “coons.” Also, Zimmerman is said to be hispanic, not white, and that when police arrived he was bleeding from his head and nose.
This doesn’t mean it wasn’t racially motivated or that it was self defense, but the injuries (which could have been self inflicted after the fact) would give the police reason to believe Zimmerman’s initial story. Zimmerman was handcuffed and taken into custody for questioning, but was not charged.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Well, my positions are against the status quo. Personally, the fact that most people are tumultously against me is evidence that I am correct as far as I’m concerned. [/quote]
You’re a fucking idiot. That’s why everyone is against you. It has nothing to do with the status quo, but you keep on using it to justify your idiocy.[/quote]
I like this post. To any lurkers, take note of which side so easily loses their temper. Take note of which side is quick to throw out insults. Take note of which side is deliberately brushing off relevant studies and their conclusions instead of countering them.
It’s almost as though this anti-racism fuelled hatred I’m receiving is the result of years of indoctrination in racial egalitarianism; But what sort of facility could possibly have the prolonged access to these people’s minds necessary to instil such emotionally charged positions? Hmm…[/quote]
You misread my post. I wasn’t angry. I was just calling you a fucking idiot. Like the fact that someone gets angry somehow makes their “side” worse. You fail at critical thinking. There have been plenty of people who’ve tried reasoning with you. I’m just calling it like it is. And reading all of your stupid shit that you type is annoying as hell, because of how wrong it is. You draw stupid conclusions from data that doesn’t tell the whole story and you’re too stupid to figure out the variables that are missed.
Edit: NM I just realized Tigertime is 18. He’s just a dumb teenager like most of them. He has no life experience and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. His parents were probably bigots who taught him to think this way.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Brother, are you serious? You can’t be - or else you have no clue about the black experience.[/quote]
I am sorry, but, for such big dudes, you and Professor X are complete pansies.
As you can probably guess from my name, I come from a people who have a rather storied history of being shit upon.
We’ve been (like your people) slaves.
Nations have systematically discriminated against us for over 2,000 years, forbidding us to own land, persue professions, vote, whatever.
The Europeans kept us in ghettos (that’s where the word comes from, BTW)
We been expelled from contries, en masse, repeatedly
Nations have repeatedly tried to murder us, en masse.
Today, we are routinely attacked by terrorists in our country of origin and abroad (like, say, France, where little kids were murdered a couple days ago).
Iranians and others are striving to nuke us.
In fact, here’s a bit of “discrimination” I’ve had personally:
My wife murdered
My unborn child murdered in my wife’s womb
I’ve had scrapnel pulled out of basically every limb of my body.
In the USA, walking to shul in Brookline, MA, I was hit on the back of the head with a cobblestone by some white guy screaming “fucking Joooooos.” Gave me a concussion.
On the Berkeley Campus, visiting my new wife, I, my wife, and my 3 month old child were pelted with human shit and told to “go back to Israel” by some asshole who sprinted away.
Walking past the “Occupy Wall Street” morons, I got “joooo” and “fuck Israel” catcalls.
In Houston a couple weeks ago, I was putting gas in my rental car by the airport, when 3 or more black boys in a car launched a slurpee at my back, covering me with red sticky crap as they drove away — screaming “fuck you Jew!”
And that’s what I remember off the top of my head. Not a week goes past without some random person making shitty comments.
And sadly, my experience is hardly unique. While Jewish people amount to 1.8% of the USA population, we are the victims of 69% of religion-based hate crimes (yes, I will give you a link if you want it), and something like 16% of all hate crimes overall.
Now, I could be a pansy, and whine about people not “understanding the Jewish experience.”
But, I am not a pansy.
Instead, I chose to be happy, have a great and loving family, serve G-d and my fellow man, and do financially very, very, well, and not let the assholes get me down.
And I am hardly unique. Jewish folk do great overall in the USA.
Far better than average, in fact, despite widespread discrimination.
(In fact, the group most likely to be anti-semitic in the USA are — ready ---- blacks.) (And yes, I am happy to provide a cite to this.)
++++++++
Oh, and as aside, how much did affirmative action help me get into MIT and, later, Harvard Law? None at all.
Bumpkiss.
In fact, when I went to Harvard, they had a maximum number of Jewish students because we were doing too well, and they wanted to keep our numbers down.
+++++++++
In short, the victim mentality is a sure-fire way to be a loser.[/quote]
But the jews have wealth and power so none of that counts. /sarcasm
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Oh yeah? Well my people were the Vikings and… uh, oh wait, they beat up on the rest of Europe, took what they wanted and enslaved white dudes. Nevermind.
Sorry other white dudes but you can’t have any mules. Shit happened a long time ago and I had no say in it.[/quote]
Can’t argue about the Vikings they were cool.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Oh yeah? Well my people were the Vikings and… uh, oh wait, they beat up on the rest of Europe, took what they wanted and enslaved white dudes. Nevermind.
Sorry other white dudes but you can’t have any mules. Shit happened a long time ago and I had no say in it.[/quote]
Can’t argue about the Vikings they were cool.[/quote]
Yeah but you can bet they would’ve enslaved Africans too if Europe hadn’t been so dern convenient. Like a backyard garden.
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
I was reading more about this and found out some additional info. An audio expert who listened to the tape stated that it sounded like Zimmerman said “punks” and not “coons.” Also, Zimmerman is said to be hispanic, not white, and that when police arrived he was bleeding from his head and nose.
This doesn’t mean it wasn’t racially motivated or that it was self defense, but the injuries (which could have been self inflicted after the fact) would give the police reason to believe Zimmerman’s initial story. Zimmerman was handcuffed and taken into custody for questioning, but was not charged.[/quote]
Taking bets this post will largely be ignored.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Brother, are you serious? You can’t be - or else you have no clue about the black experience.[/quote]
I am sorry, but, for such big dudes, you and Professor X are complete pansies.
As you can probably guess from my name, I come from a people who have a rather storied history of being shit upon.
We’ve been (like your people) slaves.
Nations have systematically discriminated against us for over 2,000 years, forbidding us to own land, persue professions, vote, whatever.
The Europeans kept us in ghettos (that’s where the word comes from, BTW)
We been expelled from contries, en masse, repeatedly
Nations have repeatedly tried to murder us, en masse.
Today, we are routinely attacked by terrorists in our country of origin and abroad (like, say, France, where little kids were murdered a couple days ago).
Iranians and others are striving to nuke us.
In fact, here’s a bit of “discrimination” I’ve had personally:
My wife murdered
My unborn child murdered in my wife’s womb
I’ve had scrapnel pulled out of basically every limb of my body.
In the USA, walking to shul in Brookline, MA, I was hit on the back of the head with a cobblestone by some white guy screaming “fucking Joooooos.” Gave me a concussion.
On the Berkeley Campus, visiting my new wife, I, my wife, and my 3 month old child were pelted with human shit and told to “go back to Israel” by some asshole who sprinted away.
Walking past the “Occupy Wall Street” morons, I got “joooo” and “fuck Israel” catcalls.
In Houston a couple weeks ago, I was putting gas in my rental car by the airport, when 3 or more black boys in a car launched a slurpee at my back, covering me with red sticky crap as they drove away — screaming “fuck you Jew!”
And that’s what I remember off the top of my head. Not a week goes past without some random person making shitty comments.
And sadly, my experience is hardly unique. While Jewish people amount to 1.8% of the USA population, we are the victims of 69% of religion-based hate crimes (yes, I will give you a link if you want it), and something like 16% of all hate crimes overall.
Now, I could be a pansy, and whine about people not “understanding the Jewish experience.”
But, I am not a pansy.
Instead, I chose to be happy, have a great and loving family, serve G-d and my fellow man, and do financially very, very, well, and not let the assholes get me down.
And I am hardly unique. Jewish folk do great overall in the USA.
Far better than average, in fact, despite widespread discrimination.
(In fact, the group most likely to be anti-semitic in the USA are — ready ---- blacks.) (And yes, I am happy to provide a cite to this.)
++++++++
Oh, and as aside, how much did affirmative action help me get into MIT and, later, Harvard Law? None at all.
Bumpkiss.
In fact, when I went to Harvard, they had a maximum number of Jewish students because we were doing too well, and they wanted to keep our numbers down.
+++++++++
In short, the victim mentality is a sure-fire way to be a loser.[/quote]
Thank you for posting this.
I am sorry for your losses.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Oh yeah? Well my people were the Vikings and… uh, oh wait, they beat up on the rest of Europe, took what they wanted and enslaved white dudes. Nevermind.
Sorry other white dudes but you can’t have any mules. Shit happened a long time ago and I had no say in it.[/quote]
Can’t argue about the Vikings they were cool.[/quote]
Yeah but you can bet they would’ve enslaved Africans too if Europe hadn’t been so dern convenient. Like a backyard garden.[/quote]
They did come into contact but Vikings like cold and bad fish so bad combo.