Black Teen Shot by Neighborhood Watch

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Beef and 460,

Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I don’t feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you don’t have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.[/quote]

You lost that debate pages back. Its cool if you want to hold onto it.

I’m sorry. What was I trying to prove? That Zimmerman shot a kid? We already know that.[/quote]
^ really weak, dude.[/quote]

Yeah and we will all live thru this conversation. Even Zimmerman gets to fight another day.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Beef and 460,

Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I don’t feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you don’t have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.[/quote]

You lost that debate pages back. Its cool if you want to hold onto it.

I’m sorry. What was I trying to prove? That Zimmerman shot a kid? We already know that.[/quote]
^ really weak, dude.[/quote]

HG are you actually serious?

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[quote]four60 wrote:
YOU add the word attacked?? Yes they struggled. But I didn’t hear anyone not even the police say the kid came at him first THAT IS AN ATTACK BY THE WAY.[/quote]

And that’s one of the problems with this case that I believe you and I touched on pages ago.

There was clearly a struggle; forensic evidence and witness reports confirm this.

The problem is, we’re only ever going to hear one side of the story. That’s precisely the reason why police have had such a hard time finding evidence to poke holes in Zimmerman’s story – not because they were busy “patting him on the back” as one poster put it a page or so ago, but because there is only one person alive who actually saw the shit go down. And, legally, if they don’t have any evidence to call his bluff, their hands are largely tied.

Real crimes don’t play out like they do on CSI. There’s no clutch hair follicle found on the underside of a blade of grass that incontrovertibly promulgates the truth behind the altercation.

Now, most people take this to mean Zimmerman is putting his CJ degree to work by massaging the story into something that makes him as blameless as he can. But, really, it DOES cut both ways.

There are a few people in this thread smart enough to understand that. Is it likely he is lying about something? Yes. Can anyone prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? Nope. At least, not yet. But, rest assured, the publicity this case is getting makes it very obvious that there are some extremely smart and talented people at work right now combing the giant legal haystack for that one tiny needle that is just right for poking holes in Zimmerman’s defense.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Beef and 460,

Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I don’t feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you don’t have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.[/quote]

Since you seem to feel that Zimmerman acted accordingly, tell me, what should Trayvon Martin have done that night to avoid being killed?

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
YOU add the word attacked?? Yes they struggled. But I didn’t hear anyone not even the police say the kid came at him first THAT IS AN ATTACK BY THE WAY.[/quote]

And that’s one of the problems with this case that I believe you and I touched on pages ago.

There was clearly a struggle; forensic evidence and witness reports confirm this.

The problem is, we’re only ever going to hear one side of the story. That’s precisely the reason why police have had such a hard time finding evidence to poke holes in Zimmerman’s story – not because they were busy “patting him on the back” as one poster put it a page or so ago, but because there is only one person alive who actually saw the shit go down. And, legally, if they don’t have any evidence to call his bluff, their hands are largely tied.

Real crimes don’t play out like they do on CSI. There’s no clutch hair follicle found on the underside of a blade of grass that incontrovertibly promulgates the truth behind the altercation.

Now, most people take this to mean Zimmerman is putting his CJ degree to work by massaging the story into something that makes him as blameless as he can. But, really, it DOES cut both ways.

There are a few people in this thread smart enough to understand that. Is it likely he is lying about something? Yes. Can anyone prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? Nope. At least, not yet. But, rest assured, the publicity this case is getting makes it very obvious that there are some extremely smart and talented people at work right now combing the giant legal haystack for that one tiny needle that is just right for poking holes in Zimmerman’s defense.[/quote]

Most of this case rest on the hope that the cops on scene did a by the book job. If not this case has a good chance of being thrown out for lack of evidence.

Then the cops will have to deal with a not so happy public. Its one thing to go to court and be found one way or the other. Its another if the cops let this one slip and it goes to the court of “WE WILL NEVER KNOW”.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
Just because I expressed doubt over your phantom Level 5 account in a different thread doesn’t mean you’re somehow on my shit list. [/quote]

You’re on mine. I can’t stand bitches in heat.

[quote]anonym wrote:
Trust me – you’re not that special and two threads does not constitute “numerous” by ANYONE’S definition. [/quote]

As if I give a shit about being special in your book. The fact that you quote me whenever I’m not even addressing you is somewhat giving me some importance. Thanks! Truly flattered :slight_smile:

[quote]anonym wrote:
But it’s nice to see you’re still a little stung from that trashing I gave you. [/quote]

Say what? You trashed me? You’re talking about that thread where you couldn’t get rid of the sand stuck in your vagina? Lol! Dream on. I met tougher e-fight opponents than you and you’re just a pitiful ant that I’d I crush if I felt like it. But as I told you, you bore me and everything you say to me is like breeze to my face. Trashing, my ass.

And as for the rest of your drivel, didn’t read. You’re boring.

This time, I’m done wasting my time on you.

A kid is dead, his murderer is still sitting in the comfort of his home and that’s what matters to me. Not your ass.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
And as for the rest of your drivel, didn’t read. You’re boring. [/quote]

Of course you read it. Don’t be ridiculous.

You just have nothing to say to add any credibility to your unfounded assumptions that 1) Zimmerman is a murderer who is criminally liable for his actions that night, 2) that just because he hasn’t been charged yet means he has somehow “gone unpunished” in a way entirely analogous to a jury dismissively acquitting the people who murdered, tortured and disposed of Emmett Till, and 3) that Zimmerman “beat the shit out of a cop”.

Again: of course you read it. Don’t be ridiculous. Neither I nor anyone else reading this exchange is at all convinced that you read my post, responded entirely to the portions that are subjective and opinion-based, and then stopped reading once it was time for you to nut up or shut up with FACTS. You’re just too proud and childlike to admit that you got called out on talking out of your ass.

Of course, I can’t really speak for everyone here, so anyone who feels that’s a legit story, sis, should feel free to chime in.

But, don’t worry, it happens. Consider it a learning experience on your part.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
You’re on mine. I can’t stand bitches in heat.[/quote]

Of course, I’m honored that I make enough of an impression on you over the internet for you to feel the need to blacklist me in order to get out of being held accountable for the dumb tripe you spew. Especially when I consider how little effort I have to expend in order to put you in your place.

Thanks! Truly flattered :slight_smile:

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[quote]four60 wrote:
If not this case has a good chance of being thrown out for lack of evidence. [/quote]

Based on everything I’ve read so far, it’s not impossible to believe that the cops did everything they could to cover their asses but there just isn’t enough in the way of concrete evidence to overturn Zimmerman’s self defense claim.

What happened between him pursuing Martin and the shot appears to be a “he said/he said” story, without the second guy being able to chime in with his version of events. I’m not sure how they can overcome this with the evidence we have been privy to so far. At least, not to prove the contrary beyond a reasonable doubt.

But then, I’m not a lawyer. And again, there are certainly some very bright legal minds working against him as we speak.

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[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Beef and 460,

Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I don’t feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you don’t have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.[/quote]

Since you seem to feel that Zimmerman acted accordingly, tell me, what should Trayvon Martin have done that night to avoid being killed?[/quote]
I’m going to let this hang…

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
If not this case has a good chance of being thrown out for lack of evidence. [/quote]

Based on everything I’ve read so far, it’s not impossible to believe that the cops did everything they could to cover their asses but there just isn’t enough in the way of concrete evidence to overturn Zimmerman’s self defense claim.

What happened between him pursuing Martin and the shot appears to be a “he said/he said” story, without the second guy being able to chime in with his version of events. I’m not sure how they can overcome this with the evidence we have been privy to so far. At least, not to prove the contrary beyond a reasonable doubt.

But then, I’m not a lawyer. And again, there are certainly some very bright legal minds working against him as we speak.[/quote]

Time will tell. For both the cops and Zimmerman.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
The overwhelming amount of crime is non-white on white, but the media, liberals and non-whites downright live for these stories so they can keep milking whites for the things they never have the brains and/or guts to produce on their own.

But I believe America is starting to see through this more and more. Ironically, some of it may be because they see Europe sinking due to adopting the same hush-hush train of thought that was once associated with americans. [/quote]

Hope you don’t own a gun or run your local neighborhood watch.[/quote]

Well, he’s not wrong. The leading cause of death in the U.S. for black men ages 15-34 is black on black homicide. Blacks commit over 50% of the total homicides in the U.S. despite only making up… I think around 13% of your population?

White on black homicide is very rare, even this story isn’t actually an example of white on black crime given that Zimmerman is Mestizo.

What happened to Trayvon is criminal, but using this story to justify ones outrage at how “oppressed” blacks are is, in my opinion, manipulative and deceitful. From what I’ve read, this is almost certainly a race based hate crime, but don’t make this story into more than what it is. Blacks are discriminated against, arguably more so than any other race, but black men have a much bigger problem than trigger happy neighbourhood watchmen and sadly, it’s each other.

Just my 2 cents on the issue.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Beef and 460,

Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I don’t feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you don’t have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.[/quote]

Since you seem to feel that Zimmerman acted accordingly, tell me, what should Trayvon Martin have done that night to avoid being killed?[/quote]
I’m going to let this hang…[/quote]

Oh, because he’s black? Racist! =p

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Well, he’s not wrong. The leading cause of death in the U.S. for black men ages 15-34 is black on black homicide. Blacks commit over 50% of the total homicides in the U.S. despite only making up… I think around 13% of your population?

White on black homicide is very rare, even this story isn’t actually an example of white on black crime given that Zimmerman is Mestizo.

What happened to Trayvon is criminal, but using this story to justify ones outrage at how “oppressed” blacks are is, in my opinion, manipulative and deceitful. From what I’ve read, this is almost certainly a race based hate crime, but don’t make this story into more than what it is. Blacks are discriminated against, arguably more so than any other race, but black men have a much bigger problem than trigger happy neighbourhood watchmen and sadly, it’s each other.

Just my 2 cents on the issue. [/quote]

Ding ding.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Well, he’s not wrong. The leading cause of death in the U.S. for black men ages 15-34 is black on black homicide. Blacks commit over 50% of the total homicides in the U.S. despite only making up… I think around 13% of your population?

White on black homicide is very rare, even this story isn’t actually an example of white on black crime given that Zimmerman is Mestizo.

What happened to Trayvon is criminal, but using this story to justify ones outrage at how “oppressed” blacks are is, in my opinion, manipulative and deceitful. From what I’ve read, this is almost certainly a race based hate crime, but don’t make this story into more than what it is. Blacks are discriminated against, arguably more so than any other race, but black men have a much bigger problem than trigger happy neighbourhood watchmen and sadly, it’s each other.

Just my 2 cents on the issue. [/quote]

Ding ding.
[/quote]

More like round 7

I love FBI stats. I’m sure Alfi reads them everyday. He is by far my favorite poster.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]There is more than a two-fold greater risk that an African American who killed a white person will be executed than there is for a white person who killed a non-white victim.

?The fact that blacks who kill non-whites actually are less likely to be executed than blacks who kill whites shows there is a strong racial bias here,? Jacobs said. ?Blacks are most likely to pay the ultimate price when their victims are white.?[/quote][/quote]

Well, that’s a tad misleading. I’m just going on what you’ve quoted here, but the degree of the murder plays a role in your punishment. If we’re comparing white man-slaughter to black first degree murder, we have apples and oranges. Also, these same black murderers are more likely to have a history of violent crime, something I believe your courts take into account when considering the death sentence.

As to why blacks don’t receive as harsh of a punishment for killing other blacks as do they whites, this is more likely a race thing, but given the incredibly high black on black violent crime rates, It’s probable that many of these cases can be explained/twisted/chalked up to self defence, even if only just enough to create reasonable doubt.

Now, I don’t live in the U.S. so maybe the general perspective on blacks is as such that this really is explained by blatant racism, but given what little I know on criminology, I doubt the raw numbers paint an accurate picture.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

What happened to Trayvon is criminal, but using this story to justify ones outrage at how “oppressed” blacks are is, in my opinion, manipulative and deceitful. From what I’ve read, this is almost certainly a race based hate crime, but don’t make this story into more than what it is.[/quote]

I’m sorry…but who is making it more than this?

[quote]
Blacks are discriminated against, arguably more so than any other race, but black men have a much bigger problem than trigger happy neighbourhood watchmen and sadly, it’s each other.

Just my 2 cents on the issue. [/quote]

Gee, being black, I would say I have an entire world to be concerned about and not just whatever aspects you deem most important for me.

No, I am not worried about some other black person shooting me as I am about being profiled and socially wronged based on skin color. Your stats don’t live with me…and the actions of some other person do not represent me.

The entire problem is that you have stats focused on “black on black” crime when the truth is ENVIRONMENT, low income, and poor education are at the root of that problem…all issues that are not exactly the soul fault of the people in those situations.

I live in a nice neighborhood. Yes, I am more worried about being seen as a “threat” or “suspicious” based on skin color than I am being killed by some other black person for no reason.

Maybe your stats need to meet reality.

If you reduce what is a cultural/financial issue to “skin color”, you already missed the boat.

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Also…waiting on stats of crime in predominantly high income black neighborhoods compared to high income white neighborhoods.

Oh wait…I bet they don’t have those.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry…but who is making it more than this?[/quote]

This wasn’t directed at anyone here specifically. To be honest I haven’t read most of this thread, but most of the news coverage I’ve seen is slanting this story as proof of something more than it proves.

For example, perhaps you’re aware of the Youtube channel TheYoungTurks? They mentioned that this kid was black at least a half-dozen times, but I don’t think they mentioned Zimmerman’s race once, which I find suspicious. the video continues as a rant on how racism (especially against blacks) is so incredibly under-reported.

This is just one example, but I think you see what I mean.

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Gee, being black, I would say I have an entire world to be concerned about and not just whatever aspects you deem most important for me.

No, I am not worried about some other black person shooting me as I am about being profiled and socially wronged based on skin color. Your stats don’t live with me…and the actions of some other person do not represent me. [/quote]

Well that’s great, really, it is, but YOUR stats don’t live with the vast majority of blacks in the U.S., which in my opinion is a far more significant demographic than just you and your personal life.

[quote]
The entire problem is that you have stats focused on “black on black” crime when the truth is ENVIRONMENT, low income, and poor education are at the root of that problem…all issues that are not exactly the soul fault of the people in those situations.

I live in a nice neighborhood. Yes, I am more worried about being seen as a “threat” or “suspicious” based on skin color than I am being killed by some other black person for no reason.

Maybe your stats need to meet reality.

If you reduce what is a cultural/financial issue to “skin color”, you already missed the boat.[/quote]

This is a famously debunked argument you are presenting here. Blacks commit more violent crime in all income brackets and education levels. I’m pretty sure at it’s best, the numbers only show a higher black violent crime rate as a percent of population rather than blacks committing more crime in ultimate terms, but that’s hardly a solid argument now, is it? Let’s take a step back and consider that maybe this is a case of “non-violent people are more likely to graduate college” than this being a case of “college fixes violent behaviour”.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

This wasn’t directed at anyone here specifically. To be honest I haven’t read most of this thread, but most of the news coverage I’ve seen is slanting this story as proof of something more than it proves.

For example, perhaps you’re aware of the Youtube channel TheYoungTurks? They mentioned that this kid was black at least a half-dozen times, but I don’t think they mentioned Zimmerman’s race once, which I find suspicious. the video continues as a rant on how racism (especially against blacks) is so incredibly under-reported.

This is just one example, but I think you see what I mean. [/quote]

No, I don’t. His race is being mentioned for the same reasons we brought up in this thread.

Maybe the problem is the belief that people in those situations are somehow clueless about them.

You seem to miss the point…which doesn’t surprise me. If more blacks are low income with poorer educations, that is the problem. Your stats make it seem like SKIN COLOR makes you more prone to crime. You seem unable to understand this yourself.

Why?

[quote]

This is a famously debunked argument you are presenting here. Blacks commit more violent crime in all income brackets and education levels. I’m pretty sure at it’s best, the numbers only show a higher black violent crime rate as a percent of population rather than blacks committing more crime in ultimate terms, but that’s hardly a solid argument now, is it? Let’s take a step back and consider that maybe this is a case of “non-violent people are more likely to graduate college” than this being a case of “college fixes violent behaviour”. [/quote]

Wait, so you are saying being black makes you more prone to crime?

You are saying black high income makers are still the criminals? People making over 100K a year are who you focused on?

Please, tell me what it is about my DNA that makes more prone to be a criminal than you if income and education have nothing to do with it.