[quote]There is more than a two-fold greater risk that an African American who killed a white person will be executed than there is for a white person who killed a non-white victim.
?The fact that blacks who kill non-whites actually are less likely to be executed than blacks who kill whites shows there is a strong racial bias here,? Jacobs said. ?Blacks are most likely to pay the ultimate price when their victims are white.?[/quote]
[quote]four60 wrote:
I missed those. All the reports I seen just said break ins and crimes had happen in the area.
EDIT: I did find a couple reports but they where all from Zimmerman walking around door to door telling people to be on the look out for âyoung black men who seem to be outsidersâ.
Also Zimmerman seems to have been on some form of Crusade. He had called 911 46 times since Jan 1. [/quote]
According to some articles I read, Zimmerman was also sending emails to the community residents, warning them to be on the lookout for blacks up to no good. Some black residents actually got so worried over the fact they fitted the profile, that they stopped walking around the area at certain times of the day.
[quote]groo wrote:
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/dthrow.htm
Thats for you X because its kinda close to what you are looking for. Its hard to really find stats on people being charged or let go but people love to study the death penalty.
And HoustonGuy this site is for you. It seems right up your alley.
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html[/quote]
Thanks for posting those links.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
911 operators are not the police.
As linked, licensed individuals carry state authority to protect themselves, their property, other people and to prevent a crime from happening. If a crime was happening, Zimmerman was acting within his legal rights and if he was attacked or perceived a threat in the process, using his firearm was a legal act as well.
[/quote]
A crime wasnât happening, though. There is no evidence of Martin being within spitting distance of a crime. He was unarmed: that doesnât just mean he didnât have a gun; it means he carried no implements that are standard tools in burglaries which could ALSO be categorized as weapons.
These are the first things Zimmermanâs defense would have used to âjustifyâ the shooting. Iâve already said this.
[quote]
Donât hate the player, hate the game.
Just as you said though, we donât know what transpired to cause an interaction. The assumption is that zimmerman was just out âhuntingâ. Prove it. Responding legal officials certainly didnât see it that way.
More facts are needed and innocence until proven guilty is a right philosophically much, much higher than the aforementioned, Salem style âstreet justiceâ (race war).
Letâs be American for a minute.
Yes, if zimmerman was a racist, control freak, power tripping, blood lusting murderer on the hunt, he should have the book thrown at him. Nobody disagrees. That just doesnât seem to be the situation however and stringing him up lynch mob style for no other reason than assumption based, projected insecurities is plain shitty.[/quote]
I donât care who told him not to pursue; their advice was sound, for reasons Iâve already outlined. Zimmerman wasnât a cop either, yet his history shows that he had a problem with authority, interfering with a friendâs arrest and resisting his own (I knew that before I posted on this thread, just as I knew his race). I already said I donât believe it was a hate crime - thatâs why I asked that we put the racism angle aside for a moment and look at other factors. If Zimmermanâs intention was to execute Tray, there would have been no physical confrontation at all. Although, looking at both sides of the argument, I have a hard time denying profiling suspects based on skin color isnât inherently racist.
Zimmerman was known to have been warning residents about a recent spate of burglaries committed by blacks, and while I donât think he intended to kill Tray, I do believe he was a power drunk dillhole who awarded himself a position of authority (self-appointed captaincy of the NW) and wasnât fit to be profiling his own turds.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
We still donât know why the kid died, actually.[/quote]
LOL. I ignore you most of the time because your posts are like when you are talking to someone and a gnat flies up your nose and you have to pause what you were saying to blow it out.
The kid diedâŚBECAUSE HE FIT THE PROFILE. I think that much is damned clear.
Unless this jackass is chasing every kid he saw down like this, letâs use some of that common sense you have locked in the basement.[/quote]
You donât know why he went after him. You only assume. I can imagine conjectured conclusions stated as fact being met by actual fact would be pretty annoying though.
Hate the game not the player.[/quote]
The 911 tape. Zimmerman tells the operator he is following the kid. He said the kid seen him walked up to the car then started to run the operarter ask are you following him he said yes.
(not sure what âimagine, conjectured conclusionâ you may want though).
The game was Zimmerman looking for a crime and a kid walking with Tea and Skittles.
One of the players Died from a bullet to the chess.
[quote]four60 wrote:
Zimmerman had already profiled the kid as up to no good on sight. It was already reported Zimmerman in his zest to end crime had called 911 46 times in less than 2 months. He also went door to door warning people to be on the look out for âyoung black males new to the areaâ.
The kid fit Zimmermans list for being a up to no good. Walking(check), Young and black(check), New to the area in Zimmermans eyes (check).
I donât think Zimmermans was burning crosses but the guy had a profile and he was sticking to it.[/quote]
Exactly. Zimmerman was not looking for suspicious activity but suspicious looking people.
But I believe America is starting to see through this more and more. Ironically, some of it may be because they see Europe sinking due to adopting the same hush-hush train of thought that was once associated with americans. [/quote]
Hope you donât own a gun or run your local neighborhood watch.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
http://gma.yahoo.com/orlando-watch-shooting-probe-reveals-questionable-police-conduct-032002155--abc-news.html
If it hasnât been posted. A few more sources seem to back this as wellâŚthe police leading the witnesses away from saying it was the boy crying for help to Zimmerman crying for help.
"Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmermanâs word at the scene that he had no police record.
Two days later during a meeting with Trayvonâs father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmermanâs record was âsqueaky clean.â
Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge which was later expunged"
This is a special bit of hilarity. Well we took the guy who just shot someone at his word that he had no prior police record.
[/quote]
The thing is, Zimmerman may very well have cried for some form of assistance believing he had caught a burglar. He likely shot the kid when the kid tried to get away from him thinking this man was crazy. Either way, his record was âexpungedâ meaning technically the charge has been erased from public files. Zimmerman understands the law so he knows what to say to make this difficult for police.
The problem is, a kid is fucking dead because this jackass couldnât control himself and thought he was a badass.
He considered himself âBatmanââŚwaiting in his car all night snooping for prey with his pistol.
This kid died for no reason. That means laws either need to be changed, or common sense needs to prevail because letting this man walk away scott free from this is bullshit on many levels.[/quote]
We still donât know why the kid died, actually.[/quote]
Why?
Well Zimmerman said he was scared and shot the kid during the confrontation.
I have no problem believing this.
[/quote]
Sure, because he saw the kid acting suspicious, investigated as a concerned citizen and got attacked. Iâm glad you came around.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]STUDY: BLACKS WHO KILL WHITES ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE EXECUTED
COLUMBUS , Ohio Ă¢?? Blacks convicted of killing whites are not only more likely than other killers to receive a death sentence Ă¢?? they are also more likely to actually be executed, a new study suggests.
But the findings showed that African Americans on death row for killing nonwhites are less likely to be executed than other condemned prisoners.[/quote]
Interesting. I mean, I expected that, but maybe the ones who are so defensive can understand why this is so heated right now. It isnât like we are just seeing things like some here seem to be implying.[/quote]
I agree.
[quote]roybot wrote:
But I believe America is starting to see through this more and more. Ironically, some of it may be because they see Europe sinking due to adopting the same hush-hush train of thought that was once associated with americans. [/quote]
Hope you donât own a gun or run your local neighborhood watch.[/quote]
Alffi is in his own little world and he admits it. He does not live in a world of Black and white only in shades of Grey Ash (thats left over from the Cross burnings).
I kid Alffi is one of the âGood OnesââŚ
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
http://gma.yahoo.com/orlando-watch-shooting-probe-reveals-questionable-police-conduct-032002155--abc-news.html
If it hasnât been posted. A few more sources seem to back this as wellâŚthe police leading the witnesses away from saying it was the boy crying for help to Zimmerman crying for help.
"Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmermanâs word at the scene that he had no police record.
Two days later during a meeting with Trayvonâs father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmermanâs record was âsqueaky clean.â
Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge which was later expunged"
This is a special bit of hilarity. Well we took the guy who just shot someone at his word that he had no prior police record.
[/quote]
The thing is, Zimmerman may very well have cried for some form of assistance believing he had caught a burglar. He likely shot the kid when the kid tried to get away from him thinking this man was crazy. Either way, his record was âexpungedâ meaning technically the charge has been erased from public files. Zimmerman understands the law so he knows what to say to make this difficult for police.
The problem is, a kid is fucking dead because this jackass couldnât control himself and thought he was a badass.
He considered himself âBatmanââŚwaiting in his car all night snooping for prey with his pistol.
This kid died for no reason. That means laws either need to be changed, or common sense needs to prevail because letting this man walk away scott free from this is bullshit on many levels.[/quote]
We still donât know why the kid died, actually.[/quote]
Why?
Well Zimmerman said he was scared and shot the kid during the confrontation.
I have no problem believing this.
[/quote]
Sure, because he saw the kid acting suspicious, investigated as a concerned citizen and got attacked. Iâm glad you came around.[/quote]
Got Attacked??? Iâm sorry can you tell me the article or person that came from??
Edit: Seems like you may have added something to the story?
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Sure, because he saw the kid acting suspicious, investigated as a concerned citizen and got attacked. Iâm glad you came around.[/quote]
As I have stated there was nothing suspicious about the kids activity, just that he was suspicious looking to Zimmerman. Listen to the 911 call Zimmerman made.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]There is more than a two-fold greater risk that an African American who killed a white person will be executed than there is for a white person who killed a non-white victim.
?The fact that blacks who kill non-whites actually are less likely to be executed than blacks who kill whites shows there is a strong racial bias here,? Jacobs said. ?Blacks are most likely to pay the ultimate price when their victims are white.?[/quote][/quote]
A sad state of affair indeed.
Investigated means to chase??
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
http://gma.yahoo.com/orlando-watch-shooting-probe-reveals-questionable-police-conduct-032002155--abc-news.html
If it hasnât been posted. A few more sources seem to back this as wellâŚthe police leading the witnesses away from saying it was the boy crying for help to Zimmerman crying for help.
"Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmermanâs word at the scene that he had no police record.
Two days later during a meeting with Trayvonâs father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmermanâs record was âsqueaky clean.â
Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge which was later expunged"
This is a special bit of hilarity. Well we took the guy who just shot someone at his word that he had no prior police record.
[/quote]
The thing is, Zimmerman may very well have cried for some form of assistance believing he had caught a burglar. He likely shot the kid when the kid tried to get away from him thinking this man was crazy. Either way, his record was âexpungedâ meaning technically the charge has been erased from public files. Zimmerman understands the law so he knows what to say to make this difficult for police.
The problem is, a kid is fucking dead because this jackass couldnât control himself and thought he was a badass.
He considered himself âBatmanââŚwaiting in his car all night snooping for prey with his pistol.
This kid died for no reason. That means laws either need to be changed, or common sense needs to prevail because letting this man walk away scott free from this is bullshit on many levels.[/quote]
We still donât know why the kid died, actually.[/quote]
Why?
Well Zimmerman said he was scared and shot the kid during the confrontation.
I have no problem believing this.
[/quote]
Sure, because he saw the kid acting suspicious, investigated as a concerned citizen and got attacked. Iâm glad you came around.[/quote]
Got Attacked??? Iâm sorry can you tell me the article or person that came from??
Edit: Seems like you may have added something to the story?[/quote]
Sure, the bloody head, grass on the shirt⌠It was discussed in the portion of the thread you evidently didnât read.
Beef and 460,
Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I donât feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you donât have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Sure, because he saw the kid acting suspicious, investigated as a concerned citizen and got attacked. Iâm glad you came around.[/quote]
As I have stated there was nothing suspicious about the kids activity, just that he was suspicious looking to Zimmerman. Listen to the 911 call Zimmerman made.[/quote]
Zimmerman used the word âSuspiciousâ. Him and Him alone used this to describe the kid.
I would love to know what that means. Because the 911 tapes Zimmerman said he is walking, looking at houses. If you are walking down the street looking at homes you are âSuspiciousâ.
Oh well. Iâm sure If you want to find evil and look hard enough you will see it even if none is around.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
http://gma.yahoo.com/orlando-watch-shooting-probe-reveals-questionable-police-conduct-032002155--abc-news.html
If it hasnât been posted. A few more sources seem to back this as wellâŚthe police leading the witnesses away from saying it was the boy crying for help to Zimmerman crying for help.
"Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmermanâs word at the scene that he had no police record.
Two days later during a meeting with Trayvonâs father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmermanâs record was âsqueaky clean.â
Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge which was later expunged"
This is a special bit of hilarity. Well we took the guy who just shot someone at his word that he had no prior police record.
[/quote]
The thing is, Zimmerman may very well have cried for some form of assistance believing he had caught a burglar. He likely shot the kid when the kid tried to get away from him thinking this man was crazy. Either way, his record was âexpungedâ meaning technically the charge has been erased from public files. Zimmerman understands the law so he knows what to say to make this difficult for police.
The problem is, a kid is fucking dead because this jackass couldnât control himself and thought he was a badass.
He considered himself âBatmanââŚwaiting in his car all night snooping for prey with his pistol.
This kid died for no reason. That means laws either need to be changed, or common sense needs to prevail because letting this man walk away scott free from this is bullshit on many levels.[/quote]
We still donât know why the kid died, actually.[/quote]
Why?
Well Zimmerman said he was scared and shot the kid during the confrontation.
I have no problem believing this.
[/quote]
Sure, because he saw the kid acting suspicious, investigated as a concerned citizen and got attacked. Iâm glad you came around.[/quote]
Got Attacked??? Iâm sorry can you tell me the article or person that came from??
Edit: Seems like you may have added something to the story?[/quote]
Sure, the bloody head, grass on the shirt⌠It was discussed in the portion of the thread you evidently didnât read.[/quote]
YOU add the word attacked?? Yes they struggled. But I didnât hear anyone not even the police say the kid came at him first THAT IS AN ATTACK BY THE WAY.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Beef and 460,
Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I donât feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you donât have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.[/quote]
You lost that debate pages back. Its cool if you want to hold onto it.
Iâm sorry. What was I trying to prove? That Zimmerman shot a kid? We already know that.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Beef and 460,
Semantics are fun but they are also the last straw for a failed argument. I donât feel like chasing you down the rabbit hole. We all know you donât have the facts to prove shit and are on a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less.[/quote]
You lost that debate pages back. Its cool if you want to hold onto it.
Iâm sorry. What was I trying to prove? That Zimmerman shot a kid? We already know that.[/quote]
^ really weak, dude.