Black Teen Shot by Neighborhood Watch

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
He described his behavior, which does sound suspicious.

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How? He’s a kid. If they were nice houses, that didn’t used to be a crime to walk down YOUR OWN STREET OR YOUR DAD’S looking at houses. If he noticed someone following him or saw a SUSPICIOUS FOLLOWING CAR and approached the vehicle, that again isn’t suspicious.

The jackass that was suspicious was the snooping white guy lying low in a possible unmarked car following people AT NIGHT.

LOl.[/quote]

I’m positive that the car was unmarked and Zimmerman was in civilian clothing. I have “no proof” of this of course, but…if he WAS in uniform and drove a marked vehicle , it’s a large detail to omit. Just like if Tray had a record, or a weapon, or something that could be called a weapon (screwdriver, knife, basic burglary tools) Zimmerman’s defense would have leapt on it by now.

Silence speaks volumes. But as usual I’m over thinking shit.

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It’s only suspicious if you’re a MINORITY walking around singing looking at nice houses. LOL at some people. Picture this happening to your brother and You might see things differently.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
He described his behavior, which does sound suspicious.

[/quote]

How? He’s a kid. If they were nice houses, that didn’t used to be a crime to walk down YOUR OWN STREET OR YOUR DAD’S looking at houses. If he noticed someone following him or saw a SUSPICIOUS FOLLOWING CAR and approached the vehicle, that again isn’t suspicious.

The jackass that was suspicious was the snooping white guy lying low in a possible unmarked car following people AT NIGHT.

LOl.[/quote]

I’m positive that the car was unmarked and Zimmerman was in civilian clothing. I have “no proof” of this of course, but…if he WAS in uniform and drove a marked vehicle , it’s a large detail to omit. Just like if Tray had a record, or a weapon, or something that could be called a weapon (screwdriver, knife, basic burglary tools) Zimmerman’s defense would have leapt on it by now.

Silence speaks volumes. But as usual I’m over thinking shit.

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Along with that, why would a criminal approach the clearly marked patrol car?

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
It’s only suspicious if you’re a MINORITY walking around singing looking at nice houses. LOL at some people. Picture this happening to your brother and You might see things differently.[/quote]

But mind you, if we now act as if we are at risk of this happening to us, we are just seeing things.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
He described his behavior, which does sound suspicious.

[/quote]

How? He’s a kid. If they were nice houses, that didn’t used to be a crime to walk down YOUR OWN STREET OR YOUR DAD’S looking at houses. If he noticed someone following him or saw a SUSPICIOUS FOLLOWING CAR and approached the vehicle, that again isn’t suspicious.

The jackass that was suspicious was the snooping white guy lying low in a possible unmarked car following people AT NIGHT.

LOl.[/quote]

  1. It was not his own street. Trayvon and his father were over at his father’s girlfriend’s house to watch some sporting event.

  2. He wasn’t taking a stroll down the street on a bright sunny day, he was walking “slowly” (whatever that means) down the street in the rain at night looking into people’s houses with his hand tucked into his waist. That sounds suspicious to me, and go ahead and call me racist if you want for thinking that.

  3. It was reported that Zimmerman started following Trayvon AFTER he approached his vehicle and started to flee. This doesn’t add up to me either, but you seem to think that he was following Trayvon for some time. That is not what has been reported.

All in all, I think that Trayvon’s actions warranted reporting. They did not warrant Zimmerman chasing him down, forcing a confrontation, and ultimately killing the kid. There is no evidence that Zimmerman was a racist and that was why he killed Trayvon. The evidence seems to show that Zimmerman was an unstable and aggressive man who was most likely frustrated over the crimes committed in his neighborhood. He was overly paranoid and saw someone who he thought was acting suspiciously. He called 911 and didn’t follow instructions because of his own ego and arrogance/hero complex. The man acted horribly and deserves to go to jail, but none of this points to racism. I have already said several times what I think the main issue is, so I won’t repeat myself. Whether the law as it stands may not allow that to happen, which is a tragedy.

If looking at things this way makes me a racist, then I guess I am a racist.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

  1. It was not his own street. Trayvon and his father were over at hi father’s girlfriend’s house to watch some sporting event. [/quote]

Bullshit. My kids have as much right to my house and the street it is on as anyone else whether they live with me or not.

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  1. He wasn’t taking a stroll down the street on a bright sunny day, he was walking “slowly” (whatever that means) down the street in the rain at night looking into people’s houses with his hand tucked into his waist. That sounds suspicious to me, and go ahead and call me racist if you want for thinking that.[/quote]

Uh, that sounds like minding your own business looking at nice houses to me. I’m bald. I don’t run in the rain. it is pointless and helps nothing. If I walk slowly around my neighborhood tonight, you are saying it is suspicious?

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  1. It was reported that Zimmerman started following Trayvon AFTER he approached his vehicle and started to flee. This doesn’t add up tome either, but you seem to think that he was following Trayvon for some time. That is not what has been reported.[/quote]

Uh, if I see a car acting SUSPICIOUS and approach it to see what the fuck is wrong, I am now suspicious?

LO fucking L

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
He described his behavior, which does sound suspicious.

[/quote]

How? He’s a kid. If they were nice houses, that didn’t used to be a crime to walk down YOUR OWN STREET OR YOUR DAD’S looking at houses. If he noticed someone following him or saw a SUSPICIOUS FOLLOWING CAR and approached the vehicle, that again isn’t suspicious.

The jackass that was suspicious was the snooping white guy lying low in a possible unmarked car following people AT NIGHT.

LOl.[/quote]

  1. It was not his own street. Trayvon and his father were over at his father’s girlfriend’s house to watch some sporting event.

  2. He wasn’t taking a stroll down the street on a bright sunny day, he was walking “slowly” (whatever that means) down the street in the rain at night looking into people’s houses with his hand tucked into his waist. That sounds suspicious to me, and go ahead and call me racist if you want for thinking that.

  3. It was reported that Zimmerman started following Trayvon AFTER he approached his vehicle and started to flee. This doesn’t add up to me either, but you seem to think that he was following Trayvon for some time. That is not what has been reported.

All in all, I think that Trayvon’s actions warranted reporting. They did not warrant Zimmerman chasing him down, forcing a confrontation, and ultimately killing the kid. There is no evidence that Zimmerman was a racist and that was why he killed Trayvon. The evidence seems to show that Zimmerman was an unstable and aggressive man who was most likely frustrated over the crimes committed in his neighborhood. He was overly paranoid and saw someone who he thought was acting suspiciously. He called 911 and didn’t follow instructions because of his own ego and arrogance/hero complex. The man acted horribly and deserves to go to jail, but none of this points to racism. I have already said several times what I think the main issue is, so I won’t repeat myself. Whether the law as it stands may not allow that to happen, which is a tragedy.

If looking at things this way makes me a racist, then I guess I am a racist.[/quote]

With all due respect. You are adding to the story. REALLY. Unless you found items not on the links you sent. But everyone else seems to be adding to the story to make the killing seem more reasonable why not you.

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…and the argument that it was not his house is complete nonsense. It was his dad’s house. That means it is HIS house whenever he fucking needs it to be. Why would any kids of parents need to be at risk of losing their fucking life for visiting dad because some jackass neighbor doesn’t recognize them?

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
He described his behavior, which does sound suspicious.

[/quote]

How? He’s a kid. If they were nice houses, that didn’t used to be a crime to walk down YOUR OWN STREET OR YOUR DAD’S looking at houses. If he noticed someone following him or saw a SUSPICIOUS FOLLOWING CAR and approached the vehicle, that again isn’t suspicious.

The jackass that was suspicious was the snooping white guy lying low in a possible unmarked car following people AT NIGHT.

LOl.[/quote]

  1. It was not his own street. Trayvon and his father were over at his father’s girlfriend’s house to watch some sporting event.

  2. He wasn’t taking a stroll down the street on a bright sunny day, he was walking “slowly” (whatever that means) down the street in the rain at night looking into people’s houses with his hand tucked into his waist. That sounds suspicious to me, and go ahead and call me racist if you want for thinking that.

  3. It was reported that Zimmerman started following Trayvon AFTER he approached his vehicle and started to flee. This doesn’t add up to me either, but you seem to think that he was following Trayvon for some time. That is not what has been reported.

All in all, I think that Trayvon’s actions warranted reporting. They did not warrant Zimmerman chasing him down, forcing a confrontation, and ultimately killing the kid. There is no evidence that Zimmerman was a racist and that was why he killed Trayvon. The evidence seems to show that Zimmerman was an unstable and aggressive man who was most likely frustrated over the crimes committed in his neighborhood. He was overly paranoid and saw someone who he thought was acting suspiciously. He called 911 and didn’t follow instructions because of his own ego and arrogance/hero complex. The man acted horribly and deserves to go to jail, but none of this points to racism. I have already said several times what I think the main issue is, so I won’t repeat myself. Whether the law as it stands may not allow that to happen, which is a tragedy.

If looking at things this way makes me a racist, then I guess I am a racist.[/quote]

Didn’t someone else say in this thread that they were the only black house in the community? I’m sure they were other white kids walking in rain with their hoods up, looking around. Zimmerman didn’t shot them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
He described his behavior, which does sound suspicious.

[/quote]

How? He’s a kid. If they were nice houses, that didn’t used to be a crime to walk down YOUR OWN STREET OR YOUR DAD’S looking at houses. If he noticed someone following him or saw a SUSPICIOUS FOLLOWING CAR and approached the vehicle, that again isn’t suspicious.

The jackass that was suspicious was the snooping white guy lying low in a possible unmarked car following people AT NIGHT.

LOl.[/quote]

I’m positive that the car was unmarked and Zimmerman was in civilian clothing. I have “no proof” of this of course, but…if he WAS in uniform and drove a marked vehicle , it’s a large detail to omit. Just like if Tray had a record, or a weapon, or something that could be called a weapon (screwdriver, knife, basic burglary tools) Zimmerman’s defense would have leapt on it by now.

Silence speaks volumes. But as usual I’m over thinking shit.

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Along with that, why would a criminal approach the clearly marked patrol car?
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Duh! He wanted to steal it from under the driver sitting inside it. Sort of like pulling a tablecloth off a fully set table and leaving the tableware undisturbed. Great talking point for the Guild of Thieves Annual Dinner. Wait…I thought he was supposed to be robbing houses, not cars?

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And the comdey of a Kids Death.

An ADULT who knows he has the power of LIFE AND DEATH strapped to his side. Thinks it is a good idea to walk up to a person he thinks is suspicious and has his hands in his waist (whatever that means).

What the hell does any ANY of this mean. WHAT are you looking to prove by saying wow this sounds suspicious to me?

Has anyone shown this kid did not go to the Store?

Has anyone shown this kid had anything but Candy and Tea in his pockets?

Has anyone shown that this kid was anything but a KID returning from the store?

Here is the actual tapes if you want to HEAR.

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Also, my parents live in a very nice neighborhood now. Most of the houses are “stare worthy” to some degree. if I go visit them tonight, people in this thread are saying that makes me suspicious if I walk around their neighborhood?

What if I go get the mail for them? It is a good walk to the “community mail box”. Should I wear a bullet proof vest?

How fast should I walk so no one sees me as “SUSPICIOUS”?

And, last question, is anyone here clueless enough to think this doesn’t affect other people who look like this kid?

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DEEP SIGH

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“Hands in his waist”?

Isn’t that like… HAVING YOUR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS?!

Oh, the threat!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, my parents live in a very nice neighborhood now. Most of the houses are “stare worthy” to some degree. if I go visit them tonight, people in this thread are saying that makes me suspicious if I walk around their neighborhood?

What if I go get the mail for them? It is a good walk to the “community mail box”. Should I wear a bullet proof vest?

How fast should I walk so no one sees me as “SUSPICIOUS”?

And, last question, is anyone here clueless enough to think this doesn’t affect other people who look like this kid?[/quote]

OH it affects other people for sure…and if you add muscles to this person??? GOOD LORD! Watch out!

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Man X you nailed it on the head[/quote]

Not really.

Anyone who holds a position opposite to his is just oblivious to the world around them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Bullshit. My kids have as much right to my house and the street it is on as anyone else whether they live with me or not. [/quote]

I never suggested otherwise, but it was not the kid’s house or his father’s house. We have no idea how familiar Zimmerman would have been with the kid so he likely didn’t recognize him. I am not saying that people do not have the right to be on public streets. I am saying that given the recent crimes, suspicions are naturally going to be high.

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Uh, that sounds like minding your own business looking at nice houses to me. I’m bald. I don’t run in the rain. it is pointless and helps nothing. If I walk slowly around my neighborhood tonight, you are saying it is suspicious? [/quote]

This is just conjecture, and I am not going to discuss it anymore. Some people might find the way he was acting suspicious and some might not. I do and you don’t, but it doesn’t really matter. Given the recent crimes committed in the area, I understand the suspicion.

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Uh, if I see a car acting SUSPICIOUS and approach it to see what the fuck is wrong, I am now suspicious? [/quote]

We don’t know that the car was suspicious. There are no eyewitnesses at this point in the incident. We don’t know what Zimmerman or Trayvon was doing. All we have to go on is the 911 call, which is not clear. It is not the fact that he approached a car with someone in it, it is that he supposedly approached the car and then started running away. Why did he start running away? I don’t know. Maybe Zimmerman flashed his gun, or maybe the kid was just acting weird, or he was drunk/high. And that last comment had nothing to with the fact that he was black. Teenagers drink and do drugs.

Looking at it in hindsight, yes the kid was perfectly innocent and was just minding his own business, but look at it from the point of view of someone who doesn’t know what we do. There was a series of crimes committed in the neighborhood recently. Increased paranoia/suspicions would have been normal so I can see the watch captain calling the police and reporting the kid’s behavior. When he ignored advice and chased down the kid and forced a confrontation was wrong, and killing the kid was definitely wrong. He should go to jail for what he did, but there is no real evidence of racism and dismissing all this as racism is ignoring the bigger issue of the watch captain’s behavior.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, my parents live in a very nice neighborhood now. Most of the houses are “stare worthy” to some degree. if I go visit them tonight, people in this thread are saying that makes me suspicious if I walk around their neighborhood?

What if I go get the mail for them? It is a good walk to the “community mail box”. Should I wear a bullet proof vest?

How fast should I walk so no one sees me as “SUSPICIOUS”?

And, last question, is anyone here clueless enough to think this doesn’t affect other people who look like this kid?[/quote]

OH it affects other people for sure…and if you add muscles to this person??? GOOD LORD! Watch out![/quote]

Yeah, that would require SEVERAL townwatch idiots apprehending you.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
“Hands in his waist”?

Isn’t that like… HAVING YOUR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS?!

Oh, the threat![/quote]

Like I said, blacks reading this story now have to worry about being seen as suspicious fr performing simple acts that are normal.

If I go to my parent’s house with my hands in my pockets, I can now get killed for it and the killer won’t even get arrested…because I was “suspicious”.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
He described his behavior, which does sound suspicious.

[/quote]

How? He’s a kid. If they were nice houses, that didn’t used to be a crime to walk down YOUR OWN STREET OR YOUR DAD’S looking at houses. If he noticed someone following him or saw a SUSPICIOUS FOLLOWING CAR and approached the vehicle, that again isn’t suspicious.

The jackass that was suspicious was the snooping white guy lying low in a possible unmarked car following people AT NIGHT.

LOl.[/quote]

  1. It was not his own street. Trayvon and his father were over at his father’s girlfriend’s house to watch some sporting event.

  2. He wasn’t taking a stroll down the street on a bright sunny day, he was walking “slowly” (whatever that means) down the street in the rain at night looking into people’s houses with his hand tucked into his waist. That sounds suspicious to me, and go ahead and call me racist if you want for thinking that.

  3. It was reported that Zimmerman started following Trayvon AFTER he approached his vehicle and started to flee. This doesn’t add up to me either, but you seem to think that he was following Trayvon for some time. That is not what has been reported.

All in all, I think that Trayvon’s actions warranted reporting. They did not warrant Zimmerman chasing him down, forcing a confrontation, and ultimately killing the kid. There is no evidence that Zimmerman was a racist and that was why he killed Trayvon. The evidence seems to show that Zimmerman was an unstable and aggressive man who was most likely frustrated over the crimes committed in his neighborhood. He was overly paranoid and saw someone who he thought was acting suspiciously. He called 911 and didn’t follow instructions because of his own ego and arrogance/hero complex. The man acted horribly and deserves to go to jail, but none of this points to racism. I have already said several times what I think the main issue is, so I won’t repeat myself. Whether the law as it stands may not allow that to happen, which is a tragedy.

If looking at things this way makes me a racist, then I guess I am a racist.[/quote]

With all due respect. You are adding to the story. REALLY. Unless you found items not on the links you sent. But everyone else seems to be adding to the story to make the killing seem more reasonable why not you.[/quote]

What am I adding?