[quote]UtahLama wrote:
THIS…THIS…THIS.
The race baiters show up, smile for the camera, ignite some sort of race war then move on to the next news cycle…Duke Lacross all over again.
You will NEVER hear the good Reverend’s apologize for their tactics…even though they destroy lives with what they do.[/quote]
You forgot about the part of cashing their checks. Those Gucci suits and shoes don’t pay for themselves you know.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I am not arguing against the fact that Trayvon came back and attacked first. We do not know. It does make sense, cause I think it reasonable action for anyone who feels threatened. Yes it would have been smarter to run, however, in my mind I would not want the ‘bad’ guy to follow me and find out where I live…
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Because those are your only two options, right? Run home or back and fight the guy after you’ve already lost him…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Unless Trayvon was psychic how would he be sure he lost his attacker? He would only know this if he OBSERVED his attacker leaving…which would require being in view of him. [/quote]
Or if he looked back and saw that no one was chasing him.
But that doesn’t fit your argument very well, so let’s just pretend that the only way to determine if someone is chasing you or not is if you see them stop and leave…
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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I am not arguing against the fact that Trayvon came back and attacked first. We do not know. It does make sense, cause I think it reasonable action for anyone who feels threatened. Yes it would have been smarter to run, however, in my mind I would not want the ‘bad’ guy to follow me and find out where I live…
[/quote]
Because those are your only two options, right? Run home or back and fight the guy after you’ve already lost him…
[/quote]
[/quote]
nobody is claiming he kid made a wise decision. A lot of options were available but fear and panic make for bad bed fellows. Trayvon no doubt got rattled and ended up making the dumb ass decision to get near Zimmerman instead of:
-running home
-running back to the store
-calling the cops himself
-calling his dad etc etc
Zimmerman made the mistake of wanting to be a hero while being a coward. He feared for his life while being beaten by a boy? A boy who had barely any scuff marks on his hands? George had no defensive wounds. And did that face really look like he had been in a fight in which he had to fear for his life?
There are women half George’s size who, while being attacked by a man, fight like lionesses for their lives and they fucking look it afterwards. Defensive wounds, skin under nails, bite marks on the other guy, you name it.
Zimmerman? Not so much. Did he really fear and fight for his life?
I call bullshit. He panicked and killed the kid.
But you are right, Trayvon had other options. But he is a kid, the grown up, the ARMED grown up, should have known better and done the fuck what he was told.
It really sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Every self defense expert I’ve seen has stated if you are on the bottom snd getting struck it is a situation where lethal self defense is warranted .
There have been hundreds of “kids” kill people.
You assault someone there is the potential you can get shot.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I am not arguing against the fact that Trayvon came back and attacked first. We do not know. It does make sense, cause I think it reasonable action for anyone who feels threatened. Yes it would have been smarter to run, however, in my mind I would not want the ‘bad’ guy to follow me and find out where I live…
[/quote]
Because those are your only two options, right? Run home or back and fight the guy after you’ve already lost him…
[/quote]
[/quote]
nobody is claiming he kid made a wise decision. A lot of options were available but fear and panic make for bad bed fellows. Trayvon no doubt got rattled and ended up making the dumb ass decision to get near Zimmerman instead of:
-running home
-running back to the store
-calling the cops himself
-calling his dad etc etc
Zimmerman made the mistake of wanting to be a hero while being a coward. He feared for his life while being beaten by a boy? A boy who had barely any scuff marks on his hands? George had no defensive wounds. And did that face really look like he had been in a fight in which he had to fear for his life?
There are women half George’s size who, while being attacked by a man, fight like lionesses for their lives and they fucking look it afterwards. Defensive wounds, skin under nails, bite marks on the other guy, you name it.
Zimmerman? Not so much. Did he really fear and fight for his life?
I call bullshit. He panicked and killed the kid.
But you are right, Trayvon had other options. But he is a kid, the grown up, the ARMED grown up, should have known better and done the fuck what he was told.
[/quote]
[quote]tom63 wrote:
It really sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Every self defense expert I’ve seen has stated if you are on the bottom snd getting struck it is a situation where lethal self defense is warranted .
There have been hundreds of “kids” kill people.
You assault someone there is the potential you can get shot.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I am not arguing against the fact that Trayvon came back and attacked first. We do not know. It does make sense, cause I think it reasonable action for anyone who feels threatened. Yes it would have been smarter to run, however, in my mind I would not want the ‘bad’ guy to follow me and find out where I live…
[/quote]
Because those are your only two options, right? Run home or back and fight the guy after you’ve already lost him…
[/quote]
[/quote]
nobody is claiming he kid made a wise decision. A lot of options were available but fear and panic make for bad bed fellows. Trayvon no doubt got rattled and ended up making the dumb ass decision to get near Zimmerman instead of:
-running home
-running back to the store
-calling the cops himself
-calling his dad etc etc
Zimmerman made the mistake of wanting to be a hero while being a coward. He feared for his life while being beaten by a boy? A boy who had barely any scuff marks on his hands? George had no defensive wounds. And did that face really look like he had been in a fight in which he had to fear for his life?
There are women half George’s size who, while being attacked by a man, fight like lionesses for their lives and they fucking look it afterwards. Defensive wounds, skin under nails, bite marks on the other guy, you name it.
Zimmerman? Not so much. Did he really fear and fight for his life?
I call bullshit. He panicked and killed the kid.
But you are right, Trayvon had other options. But he is a kid, the grown up, the ARMED grown up, should have known better and done the fuck what he was told.
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By all means, show me the ‘self defense experts’ opinions in this case.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]jeep69 wrote:
The 7-11 video of martin was released the other day, He looked much different from any pictures the media had flashed of him…
I understand the outcry and hopefully the courts will make the correct decision but am I the only one that feels the media/jessie jackson/.sharpton should be held accountable for social unrest or some type of criminal action by verbally lynching what is now looking more and more like an innocent man that killed a kid in self defense?
Where is the accountability in the media for spinning this bullshit and tyring to racially divide the coutry on this matter? Do jackson or sharpton have anything to say about the new evidence or can they be held to some sory of civil unrest charge.
IF he gets off black people will riot and there will be a shit storm… but I do not feel he should be convicted of Murder and that would be an absoloute TRAVISTY of justice if a man was convicted of murder because of media hype and social unrest.
If he is conviceted is there any rioting for Zimmerman’s supporters or would that be viewed as racist to openly support him, total shitstorm and no way anyone wins in this, they should have pushed for manslaughter not murder, what a fucking kick in the ass the DA is going to get[/quote]
THIS…THIS…THIS.
The race baiters show up, smile for the camera, ignite some sort of race war then move on to the next news cycle…Duke Lacross all over again.
You will NEVER hear the good Reverend’s apologize for their tactics…even though they destroy lives with what they do.[/quote]
race baiters like Sharpton never apologize. he’s there to stir crap up and beat the drum of racism whether it’s there or not. i hope all of america will catch on eventually and we can be done with scum like him. [/quote]
I wish…MSNBC just gave the “reverend” Al his own talk show…their stupidity will never go away.
And we are much worse off for it.[/quote]
Ha! I consider it “equal time” for all the dipshits over at Fox News.
[/quote]
I without a doubt consider MSNBC and Fox news to be at an equal level of douchebaggery…no question…However, Fox is the only real right wing outlet, the majority of the rest of the main stream media swings to the left.
But apparently racial unrest brings in the ratings (witness a major network altering a 911 call to make it appear to be more racially motivated.)
Sad really.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]jeep69 wrote:
The 7-11 video of martin was released the other day, He looked much different from any pictures the media had flashed of him…
I understand the outcry and hopefully the courts will make the correct decision but am I the only one that feels the media/jessie jackson/.sharpton should be held accountable for social unrest or some type of criminal action by verbally lynching what is now looking more and more like an innocent man that killed a kid in self defense?
Where is the accountability in the media for spinning this bullshit and tyring to racially divide the coutry on this matter? Do jackson or sharpton have anything to say about the new evidence or can they be held to some sory of civil unrest charge.
IF he gets off black people will riot and there will be a shit storm… but I do not feel he should be convicted of Murder and that would be an absoloute TRAVISTY of justice if a man was convicted of murder because of media hype and social unrest.
If he is conviceted is there any rioting for Zimmerman’s supporters or would that be viewed as racist to openly support him, total shitstorm and no way anyone wins in this, they should have pushed for manslaughter not murder, what a fucking kick in the ass the DA is going to get[/quote]
THIS…THIS…THIS.
The race baiters show up, smile for the camera, ignite some sort of race war then move on to the next news cycle…Duke Lacross all over again.
You will NEVER hear the good Reverend’s apologize for their tactics…even though they destroy lives with what they do.[/quote]
race baiters like Sharpton never apologize. he’s there to stir crap up and beat the drum of racism whether it’s there or not. i hope all of america will catch on eventually and we can be done with scum like him. [/quote]
I wish…MSNBC just gave the “reverend” Al his own talk show…their stupidity will never go away.
And we are much worse off for it.[/quote]
Ha! I consider it “equal time” for all the dipshits over at Fox News.
[/quote]
I without a doubt consider MSNBC and Fox news to be at an equal level of douchebaggery…no question…However, Fox is the only real right wing outlet, the majority of the rest of the main stream media swings to the left.
But apparently racial unrest brings in the ratings (witness a major network altering a 911 call to make it appear to be more racially motivated.)
Sad really.[/quote]
Honesty in reporting is the key.
Fox News is nowhere near fair and balanced as they claim. I’ve never heard any of their talking heads bash a republican, whereas Maddow, Olbermann and some on MSNBC regularly criticize democrats where applicable.
Also, honesty in reporting should be key, not political bent, and Fox is the worst offender. Look up the PIPA Knowledge Networks Poll.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]jeep69 wrote:
The 7-11 video of martin was released the other day, He looked much different from any pictures the media had flashed of him…
I understand the outcry and hopefully the courts will make the correct decision but am I the only one that feels the media/jessie jackson/.sharpton should be held accountable for social unrest or some type of criminal action by verbally lynching what is now looking more and more like an innocent man that killed a kid in self defense?
Where is the accountability in the media for spinning this bullshit and tyring to racially divide the coutry on this matter? Do jackson or sharpton have anything to say about the new evidence or can they be held to some sory of civil unrest charge.
IF he gets off black people will riot and there will be a shit storm… but I do not feel he should be convicted of Murder and that would be an absoloute TRAVISTY of justice if a man was convicted of murder because of media hype and social unrest.
If he is conviceted is there any rioting for Zimmerman’s supporters or would that be viewed as racist to openly support him, total shitstorm and no way anyone wins in this, they should have pushed for manslaughter not murder, what a fucking kick in the ass the DA is going to get[/quote]
THIS…THIS…THIS.
The race baiters show up, smile for the camera, ignite some sort of race war then move on to the next news cycle…Duke Lacross all over again.
You will NEVER hear the good Reverend’s apologize for their tactics…even though they destroy lives with what they do.[/quote]
race baiters like Sharpton never apologize. he’s there to stir crap up and beat the drum of racism whether it’s there or not. i hope all of america will catch on eventually and we can be done with scum like him. [/quote]
I wish…MSNBC just gave the “reverend” Al his own talk show…their stupidity will never go away.
And we are much worse off for it.[/quote]
Ha! I consider it “equal time” for all the dipshits over at Fox News.
[/quote]
I without a doubt consider MSNBC and Fox news to be at an equal level of douchebaggery…no question…However, Fox is the only real right wing outlet, the majority of the rest of the main stream media swings to the left.
But apparently racial unrest brings in the ratings (witness a major network altering a 911 call to make it appear to be more racially motivated.)
Sad really.[/quote]
Honesty in reporting is the key.
Fox News is nowhere near fair and balanced as they claim. I’ve never heard any of their talking heads bash a republican, whereas Maddow, Olbermann and some on MSNBC regularly criticize democrats where applicable.
Also, honesty in reporting should be key, not political bent, and Fox is the worst offender. Look up the PIPA Knowledge Networks Poll.
[/quote]
I disagree completely. Let me know when a fox presidential election anchor gets a thrill up his leg.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]jeep69 wrote:
The 7-11 video of martin was released the other day, He looked much different from any pictures the media had flashed of him…
I understand the outcry and hopefully the courts will make the correct decision but am I the only one that feels the media/jessie jackson/.sharpton should be held accountable for social unrest or some type of criminal action by verbally lynching what is now looking more and more like an innocent man that killed a kid in self defense?
Where is the accountability in the media for spinning this bullshit and tyring to racially divide the coutry on this matter? Do jackson or sharpton have anything to say about the new evidence or can they be held to some sory of civil unrest charge.
IF he gets off black people will riot and there will be a shit storm… but I do not feel he should be convicted of Murder and that would be an absoloute TRAVISTY of justice if a man was convicted of murder because of media hype and social unrest.
If he is conviceted is there any rioting for Zimmerman’s supporters or would that be viewed as racist to openly support him, total shitstorm and no way anyone wins in this, they should have pushed for manslaughter not murder, what a fucking kick in the ass the DA is going to get[/quote]
THIS…THIS…THIS.
The race baiters show up, smile for the camera, ignite some sort of race war then move on to the next news cycle…Duke Lacross all over again.
You will NEVER hear the good Reverend’s apologize for their tactics…even though they destroy lives with what they do.[/quote]
race baiters like Sharpton never apologize. he’s there to stir crap up and beat the drum of racism whether it’s there or not. i hope all of america will catch on eventually and we can be done with scum like him. [/quote]
I wish…MSNBC just gave the “reverend” Al his own talk show…their stupidity will never go away.
And we are much worse off for it.[/quote]
Ha! I consider it “equal time” for all the dipshits over at Fox News.
[/quote]
I without a doubt consider MSNBC and Fox news to be at an equal level of douchebaggery…no question…However, Fox is the only real right wing outlet, the majority of the rest of the main stream media swings to the left.
But apparently racial unrest brings in the ratings (witness a major network altering a 911 call to make it appear to be more racially motivated.)
Sad really.[/quote]
Honesty in reporting is the key.
Fox News is nowhere near fair and balanced as they claim. I’ve never heard any of their talking heads bash a republican, whereas Maddow, Olbermann and some on MSNBC regularly criticize democrats where applicable.
Also, honesty in reporting should be key, not political bent, and Fox is the worst offender. Look up the PIPA Knowledge Networks Poll.
[/quote]
I disagree completely. Let me know when a fox presidential election anchor gets a thrill up his leg. [/quote]
What’s that mean?
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I am not arguing against the fact that Trayvon came back and attacked first. We do not know. It does make sense, cause I think it reasonable action for anyone who feels threatened. Yes it would have been smarter to run, however, in my mind I would not want the ‘bad’ guy to follow me and find out where I live…
[/quote]
Because those are your only two options, right? Run home or back and fight the guy after you’ve already lost him…
[/quote]
[/quote]
nobody is claiming he kid made a wise decision. A lot of options were available but fear and panic make for bad bed fellows. Trayvon no doubt got rattled and ended up making the dumb ass decision to get near Zimmerman instead of:
-running home
-running back to the store
-calling the cops himself
-calling his dad etc etc
Zimmerman made the mistake of wanting to be a hero while being a coward. He feared for his life while being beaten by a boy? A boy who had barely any scuff marks on his hands? George had no defensive wounds. And did that face really look like he had been in a fight in which he had to fear for his life?
There are women half George’s size who, while being attacked by a man, fight like lionesses for their lives and they fucking look it afterwards. Defensive wounds, skin under nails, bite marks on the other guy, you name it.
Zimmerman? Not so much. Did he really fear and fight for his life?
I call bullshit. He panicked and killed the kid.
But you are right, Trayvon had other options. But he is a kid, the grown up, the ARMED grown up, should have known better and done the fuck what he was told.
[/quote]
You call bullshit on him fearing for his life but also say he panicked to the point where he shot Martin? What’s the difference, exactly?
If you agree that Martin made a bad choice by confronting and attacking Zimmerman, then what do you disagree with me on? You don’t have to risk your own life to save the life of someone who is currently attacking you.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I am not arguing against the fact that Trayvon came back and attacked first. We do not know. It does make sense, cause I think it reasonable action for anyone who feels threatened. Yes it would have been smarter to run, however, in my mind I would not want the ‘bad’ guy to follow me and find out where I live…
[/quote]
Because those are your only two options, right? Run home or back and fight the guy after you’ve already lost him…
[/quote]
[/quote]
nobody is claiming he kid made a wise decision. A lot of options were available but fear and panic make for bad bed fellows. Trayvon no doubt got rattled and ended up making the dumb ass decision to get near Zimmerman instead of:
-running home
-running back to the store
-calling the cops himself
-calling his dad etc etc
Zimmerman made the mistake of wanting to be a hero while being a coward. He feared for his life while being beaten by a boy? A boy who had barely any scuff marks on his hands? George had no defensive wounds. And did that face really look like he had been in a fight in which he had to fear for his life?
There are women half George’s size who, while being attacked by a man, fight like lionesses for their lives and they fucking look it afterwards. Defensive wounds, skin under nails, bite marks on the other guy, you name it.
Zimmerman? Not so much. Did he really fear and fight for his life?
I call bullshit. He panicked and killed the kid.
But you are right, Trayvon had other options. But he is a kid, the grown up, the ARMED grown up, should have known better and done the fuck what he was told.
[/quote]
You call bullshit on him fearing for his life but also say he panicked to the point where he shot Martin? What’s the difference, exactly?
If you agree that Martin made a bad choice by confronting and attacking Zimmerman, then what do you disagree with me on? You don’t have to risk your own life to save the life of someone who is currently attacking you. [/quote]
It’s also worth mentioning that all the guy said was “we don’t need you to do that.” It’s not as though Zimmerman was ordered to stay back and 2, with the limited evidence available it appears that that’s exactly what Zimmerman did. You are asserting that he “didn’t do what he was told” based on nothing.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What’s that mean?
[/quote]
It was a Chris Mathews statement about how great Obama is. Guys like O’Riely get a bad rap. He is much more ideologue (which is pretty much a pundit is supposed to be) than partisan. And his ideology is much more liberal than what most people think.
When MSN or the like criticize Dems, it’s generally for not being liberal enough, or for letting republicans do something. That is not the same thing as unbiased criticism.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What’s that mean?
[/quote]
It was a Chris Mathews statement about how great Obama is. Guys like O’Riely get a bad rap. He is much more ideologue (which is pretty much a pundit is supposed to be) than partisan. And his ideology is much more liberal than what most people think.
When MSN or the like criticize Dems, it’s generally for not being liberal enough, or for letting republicans do something. That is not the same thing as unbiased criticism.[/quote]
You don’t recall how Matthews GUSHED over Bush? It was embarrassing.
Marc MacYoung. Rory Miller. Both are trainers , expert witnesses and authors . Google them. Both have available books at amazon .
If you attack someone and you are hitting them on the ground lethal force by the person would be allowed.
The combined effect of the blow compounded by the ground’s impact makes it so.
Marc MacYoung has testified in court as an expert. Miller is an officer and author of force decisions and meditations on violence . Look them up.
Massad Ayoob is another expert who would testify to this. Google him . He’s the operator of The Lethal Force Institute, a self defense training academy , a widely published author, expert witness, and self defense trainer. The Truth About Self Defenss and In The Gravest Extreme are two of his books.
If Martin attacked Zimmerman and was hitting him while on the ground , the shooting was justified . One blow could kill you or cause serious injury.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
It really sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Every self defense expert I’ve seen has stated if you are on the bottom snd getting struck it is a situation where lethal self defense is warranted .
There have been hundreds of “kids” kill people.
You assault someone there is the potential you can get shot.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I am not arguing against the fact that Trayvon came back and attacked first. We do not know. It does make sense, cause I think it reasonable action for anyone who feels threatened. Yes it would have been smarter to run, however, in my mind I would not want the ‘bad’ guy to follow me and find out where I live…
[/quote]
Because those are your only two options, right? Run home or back and fight the guy after you’ve already lost him…
[/quote]
[/quote]
nobody is claiming he kid made a wise decision. A lot of options were available but fear and panic make for bad bed fellows. Trayvon no doubt got rattled and ended up making the dumb ass decision to get near Zimmerman instead of:
-running home
-running back to the store
-calling the cops himself
-calling his dad etc etc
Zimmerman made the mistake of wanting to be a hero while being a coward. He feared for his life while being beaten by a boy? A boy who had barely any scuff marks on his hands? George had no defensive wounds. And did that face really look like he had been in a fight in which he had to fear for his life?
There are women half George’s size who, while being attacked by a man, fight like lionesses for their lives and they fucking look it afterwards. Defensive wounds, skin under nails, bite marks on the other guy, you name it.
Zimmerman? Not so much. Did he really fear and fight for his life?
I call bullshit. He panicked and killed the kid.
But you are right, Trayvon had other options. But he is a kid, the grown up, the ARMED grown up, should have known better and done the fuck what he was told.
[/quote]
[/quote]
By all means, show me the ‘self defense experts’ opinions in this case. [/quote]
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What’s that mean?
[/quote]
It was a Chris Mathews statement about how great Obama is. Guys like O’Riely get a bad rap. He is much more ideologue (which is pretty much a pundit is supposed to be) than partisan. And his ideology is much more liberal than what most people think.
When MSN or the like criticize Dems, it’s generally for not being liberal enough, or for letting republicans do something. That is not the same thing as unbiased criticism.[/quote]
You don’t recall how Matthews GUSHED over Bush? It was embarrassing.
[/quote]
No, I remember in constantly and irrationally bashing bush in extreme and ridiculous ways, and how he did things like Call GOP people KKK members and on and on and on.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Fox News is nowhere near fair and balanced as they claim. I’ve never heard any of their talking heads bash a republican.[/quote]
They bashed anyone who was running against Romney mercilessly. It was pathetic how “in the tank” Fox was for Romney.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
No, I remember in constantly and irrationally bashing bush in extreme and ridiculous ways, and how he did things like Call GOP people KKK members and on and on and on.[/quote]
You mean like those at Fox constantly calling Obama various false things?
Here’s Chris Matthews gushing over Bush:
On May 1, 2003, President Bush landed on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln aboard an S-3B Viking jet, emerged from the aircraft in full flight gear, and proceeded to “press flesh,” as The Washington Post put it, as he shook hands and hugged crew members in front of the cameras. Later that day, Bush delivered a nationally televised speech from the deck of the Abraham Lincoln in which he declared that “[m]ajor combat operations in Iraq have ended,” all the while standing under a banner reading: “Mission Accomplished.” Despite lingering questions over the continued violence in Iraq, the failure to locate weapons of mass destruction, and the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein, as well as evidence that Bush may have shirked his responsibilities in the Texas Air National Guard (TANG) during the Vietnam War, the print and televised media fawned over Bush’s “grand entrance” and the image of Bush as the “jet pilot” and the “Fighter Dog.”
Chief among the cheerleaders was MSNBC’s Chris Matthews. On the May 1, 2003, edition of Hardball, Matthews was joined in his effusive praise of Bush by right-wing pundit Ann Coulter and “Democrat” Pat Caddell. Former U.S. Rep. Robert K. Dornan (R-CA) also appeared on the program.:
MATTHEWS: What’s the importance of the president’s amazing display of leadership tonight?
[…]
MATTHEWS: What do you make of the actual visual that people will see on TV and probably, as you know, as well as I, will remember a lot longer than words spoken tonight? And that’s the president looking very much like a jet, you know, a high-flying jet star. A guy who is a jet pilot. Has been in the past when he was younger, obviously. What does that image mean to the American people, a guy who can actually get into a supersonic plane and actually fly in an unpressurized cabin like an actual jet pilot?
[…]
MATTHEWS: Do you think this role, and I want to talk politically […], the president deserves everything he’s doing tonight in terms of his leadership. He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics. Do you think he is defining the office of the presidency, at least for this time, as basically that of commander in chief? That […] if you’re going to run against him, you’d better be ready to take [that] away from him.
[…]
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Bob Dornan, you were a congressman all those years. Here’s a president who’s really nonverbal. He’s like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign?
[…]
MATTHEWS: Ann Coulter, you’re the first to speak tonight on the buzz. The president’s performance tonight, redolent of the best of Reagan – what do you think?
COULTER: It’s stunning. It’s amazing. I think it’s huge. I mean, he’s landing on a boat at 150 miles per hour. It’s tremendous. It’s hard to imagine any Democrat being able to do that. And it doesn’t matter if Democrats try to ridicule it. It’s stunning, and it speaks for itself.
MATTHEWS: Pat Caddell, the president’s performance tonight on television, his arrival on ship?
CADDELL: Well, first of all, Chris, the – I think that – you know, I was – when I first heard about it, I was kind of annoyed. It sounded like the kind of PR stunt that Bill Clinton would pull. But and then I saw it. And you know, there’s a real – there’s a real affection between him and the troops.
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MATTHEWS: The president there – look at this guy! We’re watching him. He looks like he flew the plane. He only flew it as a passenger, but he’s flown –
CADDELL: He looks like a fighter pilot.
MATTHEWS: He looks for real. What is it about the commander in chief role, the hat that he does wear, that makes him – I mean, he seems like – he didn’t fight in a war, but he looks like he does.
CADDELL: Yes. It’s a – I don’t know. You know, it’s an internal thing. I don’t know if you can put it into words. […] You can see it with him and the troops, the ease with which he talks to them. I was amazed by that, frankly, because as I said, I was originally appalled, particularly when I heard he was going in an F-18. But – on there – but the – but you know, that was –
MATTHEWS: Look at this guy!
CADDELL: – was hard not to be moved by their reaction to him and his reaction to them and –
MATTHEWS: You know, Ann –
CADDELL: – you know, they – it’s a quality. It’s an innate quality. It’s a real quality.
MATTHEWS: I know. I think you’re right.
Later that day, on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Matthews said:
MATTHEWS: We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like [former President Bill] Clinton or even like [former Democratic presidential candidates Michael] Dukakis or [Walter] Mondale, all those guys, [George] McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It’s simple. We’re not like the Brits. We don’t want an indoor prime minister type, or the Danes or the Dutch or the Italians, or a [Russian Federation President Vladimir] Putin. Can you imagine Putin getting elected here? We want a guy as president.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Fox News is nowhere near fair and balanced as they claim. I’ve never heard any of their talking heads bash a republican.[/quote]
They bashed anyone who was running against Romney mercilessly. It was pathetic how “in the tank” Fox was for Romney.[/quote]
lol
Well, would you rather have had Gingrich or Santorum?