Black Teen Shot 2

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
And why would you yell “help” if you were getting the better of someone else. That to me clearly paints a picture of Trayvon on the ground yelling for help, with Zimmerman having a choice to just subdue the kid but chose instead to shoot him in cold blood.[/quote]

That assumption implies the two witnesses who saw Trayvon sitting on top of Zimmerman are lying.[/quote]

They can’t lie for their “watchman”? The kid was an outsider just visiting their gated community and he was dressed like a gangsta.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
And why would you yell “help” if you were getting the better of someone else. That to me clearly paints a picture of Trayvon on the ground yelling for help, with Zimmerman having a choice to just subdue the kid but chose instead to shoot him in cold blood.[/quote]

That assumption implies the two witnesses who saw Trayvon sitting on top of Zimmerman are lying.[/quote]

They can’t lie for their “watchman”? The kid was an outsider just visiting their gated community and he was dressed like a gangsta.[/quote]

Can Trayvons gf lie for her dead boyfriend?

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
People are missing the fact that Zimmerman STILL went after Trayvon for no reason other than, “he looked suspicious” because his hoodie was up and his hands on his pockets. He was not in any position to carry a loaded weapon to confront this guy and the 911 dispatcher clearly instructed him not to do so.

This kid’s life would not have been lost had Zimmerman not have a false sense of Authority. Shit, even the dispatcher had more Authority than him (being an unofficial “Watchman”).

Bad kid or not, nothing was found on him. And even if the kid did attack Zimmerman, it was out of self-defense. You would do the same if a stranger followed you for no fucking reason.

And why would you yell “help” if you were getting the better of someone else. That to me clearly paints a picture of Trayvon on the ground yelling for help, with Zimmerman having a choice to just subdue the kid but chose instead to shoot him in cold blood.[/quote]This has been addressed numerous times.
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And yet some people still argue that somehow Zimmerman has a case. That Trayvon was the attacker. I don’t know, maybe he was lacing his weed plants with Iced Tea and Skittles.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
People are missing the fact that Zimmerman STILL went after Trayvon for no reason other than, “he looked suspicious” because his hoodie was up and his hands on his pockets. He was not in any position to carry a loaded weapon to confront this guy and the 911 dispatcher clearly instructed him not to do so.

This kid’s life would not have been lost had Zimmerman not have a false sense of Authority. Shit, even the dispatcher had more Authority than him (being an unofficial “Watchman”).

Bad kid or not, nothing was found on him. And even if the kid did attack Zimmerman, it was out of self-defense. You would do the same if a stranger followed you for no fucking reason.

And why would you yell “help” if you were getting the better of someone else. That to me clearly paints a picture of Trayvon on the ground yelling for help, with Zimmerman having a choice to just subdue the kid but chose instead to shoot him in cold blood.[/quote]This has been addressed numerous times.
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And yet some people still argue that somehow Zimmerman has a case. That Trayvon was the attacker. I don’t know, maybe he was lacing his weed plants with Iced Tea and Skittles.
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Evidently you are the one ignoring the conversation.

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Hoodie Agenda 2

[quote]Geraldo Rivera’s son: I’m “ashamed” of my father’s remarks about Trayvon Martin and his hoodie

Rivera elaborated on his 32-year-old son’s shame to Politico.

“Gabriel broke my hear. He just told me for the first time in his life he’s ashamed,” he told the political website, adding his son believed he had “gone viral for all the wrong reasons.”

Rivera said he wrote Gabriel back and tried to explain his position that “every hoodie should come with a warning like cigarettes, ‘caution wearing this could get you killed.’”

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You know…hoodies didn’t use to kill you. What the hell changed?

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
People are missing the fact that Zimmerman STILL went after Trayvon for no reason other than, “he looked suspicious” because his hoodie was up and his hands on his pockets. He was not in any position to carry a loaded weapon to confront this guy and the 911 dispatcher clearly instructed him not to do so.

This kid’s life would not have been lost had Zimmerman not have a false sense of Authority. Shit, even the dispatcher had more Authority than him (being an unofficial “Watchman”).

Bad kid or not, nothing was found on him. And even if the kid did attack Zimmerman, it was out of self-defense. You would do the same if a stranger followed you for no fucking reason.

And why would you yell “help” if you were getting the better of someone else. That to me clearly paints a picture of Trayvon on the ground yelling for help, with Zimmerman having a choice to just subdue the kid but chose instead to shoot him in cold blood.[/quote]This has been addressed numerous times.
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And yet some people still argue that somehow Zimmerman has a case. That Trayvon was the attacker. I don’t know, maybe he was lacing his weed plants with Iced Tea and Skittles.
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Evidently you are the one ignoring the conversation.[/quote]

You wrote that following someone isn’t automatically criminal offense. And I pointed out that he was on the phone w/ a 911 dispatcher with a lot more “authority” than he did and was told to back off. He didn’t. And he felt he needed his gun to confront a teenager. I’d give him the benefit that he did not know that it was Iced Tea & Skittles, but if Trayvon did attack him, I would argue that the kid was acting in self-defense and not the other way around. You would do the same thing wouldn’t you?

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
You would do the same thing wouldn’t you?[/quote]

Good question.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
People are missing the fact that Zimmerman STILL went after Trayvon for no reason other than, “he looked suspicious” because his hoodie was up and his hands on his pockets. He was not in any position to carry a loaded weapon to confront this guy and the 911 dispatcher clearly instructed him not to do so.

This kid’s life would not have been lost had Zimmerman not have a false sense of Authority. Shit, even the dispatcher had more Authority than him (being an unofficial “Watchman”).

Bad kid or not, nothing was found on him. And even if the kid did attack Zimmerman, it was out of self-defense. You would do the same if a stranger followed you for no fucking reason.

And why would you yell “help” if you were getting the better of someone else. That to me clearly paints a picture of Trayvon on the ground yelling for help, with Zimmerman having a choice to just subdue the kid but chose instead to shoot him in cold blood.[/quote]

I think getting out of the car was a mistake. A big mistake. But at that point, Zimmerman is just being an overzealous hero. When the initail assault occurred and who started the inital assualt will be the key. Since getting out of the car and talking to the kid still isn’t illegal and being a watchman, he can still legally defend his right to have a consensual conversation with someone he doesn’t recognize in his neighborhood in response to recent burglaries. The key is what happended next.

Remember as said before, Zimmerman still isn’t committing a crime when he exits his vehicle to talk/confront the kid. Regardless what the dispatcher said since he/she knows from thier experience the shit is about to hit the fan. Look, if Zimmerman makes a stupid mistake by confronting the kid by getting out of his vehicle, and the kid steps up and hits him in the face, drops him, and jumps on top of him beating his ass-- we might say he became a crime victim because he was stupid, but during a trail that won’t hold water. Just like we blame the person who gets a laptop stolen from their vehicle since they didn’t lock their door. The victim’s stupidity dosen’t absolve the crime being committed.

Of course no one knows, since we weren’t there. I just would rather be tried by an impartial jury in this country instead of Nancy Grace.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
People are missing the fact that Zimmerman STILL went after Trayvon for no reason other than, “he looked suspicious” because his hoodie was up and his hands on his pockets. He was not in any position to carry a loaded weapon to confront this guy and the 911 dispatcher clearly instructed him not to do so.

This kid’s life would not have been lost had Zimmerman not have a false sense of Authority. Shit, even the dispatcher had more Authority than him (being an unofficial “Watchman”).

Bad kid or not, nothing was found on him. And even if the kid did attack Zimmerman, it was out of self-defense. You would do the same if a stranger followed you for no fucking reason.

And why would you yell “help” if you were getting the better of someone else. That to me clearly paints a picture of Trayvon on the ground yelling for help, with Zimmerman having a choice to just subdue the kid but chose instead to shoot him in cold blood.[/quote]This has been addressed numerous times.
[/quote]

And yet some people still argue that somehow Zimmerman has a case. That Trayvon was the attacker. I don’t know, maybe he was lacing his weed plants with Iced Tea and Skittles.
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Evidently you are the one ignoring the conversation.[/quote]

You wrote that following someone isn’t automatically criminal offense. And I pointed out that he was on the phone w/ a 911 dispatcher with a lot more “authority” than he did and was told to back off. He didn’t. And he felt he needed his gun to confront a teenager. I’d give him the benefit that he did not know that it was Iced Tea & Skittles, but if Trayvon did attack him, I would argue that the kid was acting in self-defense and not the other way around. You would do the same thing wouldn’t you?[/quote]
911 dispatchers are not legal authority figures as has been discussed with case examples.

We don’t know Zimmerman confronted Martin with a gun. It’s unlikely as Martin would have to be full retard to attack a guy approaching with a gun.

We do know it is not illegal to follow some one, it is illegal to attack, it is legal to kill in self defense. Your personal opinion won’t matter in light of legal fact. It’s just how the cookie crumbles.

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FL state rep Dennis Baxley said, “This is about the application of that law,” Baxley said. "The first thing I thought of when news came out about this is that there’s nothing in the statute that authorizes pursue and confront. That’s a disqualifying factor.

“When a law-abiding citizen is confronted with attack, he should be able to defend himself. But (Zimmerman) was told by police he shouldn’t pursue. Once he did that, he was on thin ice as far as this statute is concerned.”

So Zimmerman went after Trayvon, Trayvon saw this as a threat and DEFENDED HIMSELF and lost is life for it.

Place this scenario in any other situation without the stand your ground law, and it’s clear who instigated the events leading to Trayvon’s death. AN innocent kid with candy and tea, on his way home, being himself. It’s been said over and over again here.

Zimmerman chose to play cop, and ended up being judge, jury, and executioner.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
FL state rep Dennis Baxley said, “This is about the application of that law,” Baxley said. "The first thing I thought of when news came out about this is that there’s nothing in the statute that authorizes pursue and confront. That’s a disqualifying factor.

“When a law-abiding citizen is confronted with attack, he should be able to defend himself. But (Zimmerman) was told by police he shouldn’t pursue. Once he did that, he was on thin ice as far as this statute is concerned.”

So Zimmerman went after Trayvon, Trayvon saw this as a threat and DEFENDED HIMSELF and lost is life for it.

Place this scenario in any other situation without the stand your ground law, and it’s clear who instigated the events leading to Trayvon’s death. AN innocent kid with candy and tea, on his way home, being himself. It’s been said over and over again here.

Zimmerman chose to play cop, and ended up being judge, jury, and executioner.

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Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make. It’s not hard to see this, and there really is nothing more to it than a guy playing cop when really, he was just a hall monitor. (Points for South Park reference?)

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-case-friends-george-zimmerman-defense-racist-fears-life-article-1.1050568

Once again, the issue is not whether Zimmerman is “racist”. This kid is dead due to racist techniques in profiling and an overzealous cop-wannabe. The video attached is interesting.

I can say putting a bounty out on Zimmerman’s head is a stupid act considering the circumstances.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
FL state rep Dennis Baxley said, “This is about the application of that law,” Baxley said. "The first thing I thought of when news came out about this is that there’s nothing in the statute that authorizes pursue and confront. That’s a disqualifying factor.

“When a law-abiding citizen is confronted with attack, he should be able to defend himself. But (Zimmerman) was told by police he shouldn’t pursue. Once he did that, he was on thin ice as far as this statute is concerned.”

So Zimmerman went after Trayvon, Trayvon saw this as a threat and DEFENDED HIMSELF and lost is life for it.

Place this scenario in any other situation without the stand your ground law, and it’s clear who instigated the events leading to Trayvon’s death. AN innocent kid with candy and tea, on his way home, being himself. It’s been said over and over again here.

Zimmerman chose to play cop, and ended up being judge, jury, and executioner.

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And then more facts came out, facts not spun by a Martin family lawyer.

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