Black Teen Shot 2

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

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we get it. you can find one sided clips on the internet.[/quote]

So…the ridiculousness of Joe Oliver trying to justify Zimm using a term of endearment in a situation and with a word that conotate neither is me trying to find one sided vids…

And also the vid that I posted that proved the pics weren’t of Tray in the first place is another effort for me to post one sided vids? So what your really saying is you think Coon or goon is a term of endearment and those pics are really of Tray?

Not being confrontational I’m just trying to see where you’re coming from. So what they are on more of one side than the other…the information is disproving (IMO) two points made earlier.[/quote]

We don’t even know what Zimmerman really said right, or did that come out? I could care less what oliver said obviously that’s nonsense. No those pics are not of tray, but the vids fail to mention the initial side by side was of a trayvon as a 12 year old and a five year old mugshot of zimmerman. No smear there right? You’ve posted three vids of the young turks, an obviously biased show, and some not even up to date. I can find three clips from Hannity that show the other side just as easy/[/quote]

Please do. I like to examine all points of view.[/quote]

Now I don’t necessarily agree with all of this, but you can see how easy it is to find a clip from a biased side supporting your point of view.[/quote]

Now see I actually agree with alot of what was said. People do jump to conclusions, people are too quick to get on the racial warpath a lot of times. BUT in this case, and on this issue I think it was racial profiling no question. I don’t care if Zimm had minority friends. He saw a black guy, made up his mind about him based on the activity in the area, said these “Assholes always get away” and pursued the kid as though he was already a felon wanted for the world. The sterotype was already festering in his mind…just because there were crimes in the area.

Cause for concern? Maybe. But that’s why you call the cops, let them arrive and sort it out. Instead of this dirty harry Ima catch me a villian sort of attitude. His mind was made up.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

The funeral director said there were no cuts or bruises on Trayvon’s hands. That doesn’t hold the same weight as the coroner saying that, but we will see. If Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face hard enough to knock him down, there would probably be a mark.
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Probably? Ever punched a grown man in the head full force?

You are right about the coroner, but I would imagine the funeral director is not that uneducated on something that easy to spot.[/quote]

The last time I was in a fight was the late 80’s. I figured that it would leave a mark on his hands, and you and others have confirmed it. I agree with you on the funeral director being knowledgeable enough to tell that, but with how much lying the media has done, for both sides, I want to see what the coroner says and I want to see pictures of these wounds that Zimmerman and the police say he had. I watched the video and saw what ID was talking about with the cop looking at his head, but it doesn’t look like there is much, if any, of a wound there.

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If the man was getting his head bashed in and the back of his head was “Wet” upon arrival of the scene I want to see pics. Maybe they stiched a wound? Stiches on the back of his head that we can’t see? IDK but until we get his head under a microscope view I’m callin bullshit.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
If the man was getting his head bashed in and the back of his head was “Wet” upon arrival of the scene I want to see pics. Maybe they stiched a wound? Stiches on the back of his head that we can’t see? IDK but until we get his head under a microscope view I’m callin bullshit.[/quote]

Maybe. I would think that if the wound was bad enough to need stitches, he would have been taken to the ER and there would be blood on his jacket or something, or at least have a bandage. It did look like there may have been SOMETHING on the back of his head, but it could have been a bump or a small or stitched wound.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
If the man was getting his head bashed in and the back of his head was “Wet” upon arrival of the scene I want to see pics. Maybe they stiched a wound? Stiches on the back of his head that we can’t see? IDK but until we get his head under a microscope view I’m callin bullshit.[/quote]

Hell, fucking yeah.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
If the man was getting his head bashed in and the back of his head was “Wet” upon arrival of the scene I want to see pics. Maybe they stiched a wound? Stiches on the back of his head that we can’t see? IDK but until we get his head under a microscope view I’m callin bullshit.[/quote]

Maybe. I would think that if the wound was bad enough to need stitches, he would have been taken to the ER and there would be blood on his jacket or something, or at least have a bandage. It did look like there may have been SOMETHING on the back of his head, but it could have been a bump or a small or stitched wound.[/quote]

In this still frame you can see what looks to be a cut that was stitched up, presumably by the EMTs.

You can see an officer checking out the back of his head at 1:10 in the video.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

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Have to agree. People are just as likely to say “goon” as they are “coon”. This isn’t the 1950’s. I won’t speculate, but it is just as likely that he said “coon” as it is that he said “goon”…and either way, he had made his mind up that Trayvon was negative enough to use either term.

So…he chases after him…

Once again…does the short wimpy guy with a gun chase a tall athlete at night in the rain and decide he will NOT use his gun?

My question is, why are we to believe he didn’t already have that gun out? [/quote]
Because eye witness testimony would’ve mentioned the man on the ground waving a pistol around instead of screaming for help.[/quote]

Most eye-witness testimony was “abbreviated”. The couple who called into 911 was hiding upstairs. The kid walking his dog left the fight to find his dog. I haven’t heard even ONE state they saw the fight from the beginning to the end…plus it was NIGHT.

This kid had no wounds on his hands. That only happens if you haven’t been punching a human skull or you wore boxing gloves.

It is looking more and more like that gun was already out, that Tray saw it and knew about it and was trying to save his own life by getting the gun away from someone who was going to kill him. He was likely winning also.

No wounds on the hands…no blood on Zimmerman and very little sign of scuffle add up to “wrestling for gun control”.

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There was clear testimony of a beating. The voice screaming for help was verified by both parties. Even if you want to ignore eye witness testimony, you don’t cry for help when you have a drawn, loaded weapon. You don’t need it. Illogical and testimony supports otherwise.

In a fight, you cut your hands on teeth or the ground in the event you miss, not a nose. Bruising would certainly occur but that would take a coroner to discern most likely because A) Trayvon lost a lot of blood before it could pool and B) He’s black. Bruises are harder to see.

Also, it is possible he was grabbing and shoving Zimmerman’s head which generates enough force to break a nose and split a scalp but wouldn’t be all that damaging to a meaty palm.

Zimmermans cuts would’ve been cleaned and most likely sealed with a commonly used gel these days in place of stitches and bandaging. He would bruise with a broken nose, but it wouldn’t show for hours. This wasn’t a multi round, 20+ minute fight. His bruises will take time.

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According to Zimms lawyer Tray broke his nose and cause a cut so serious on the back of his head that he needed stitches. Skip to 4:10

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The funeral director who handled Martin’s funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn?t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.[/quote]

This is what I was waiting for.

No cuts on the hands or wounds??

Uh, yeah, that doesn’t happen if someone is knocking the shit out of you with their fists. [/quote]

I’m having a bad feeling about this… I swear, my heart is racing right now…

Did that fucker shot that kid in cold blood?

Where’s Trayvon’s fucking blood on Zimmfuck’s clothes? Where’s Zimmerfuck’s own blood – from an apparent broken nose – on his clothes?

Shit’s getting fucking real, I’m telling ya. [/quote]
If you read jewbacas link to the Orlando Sentenal, you would know Zimmerman and Martin were both relieved of their clothing at the scene as it was packaged for evidence. He isn’t wearing what he was when Trayvon attacked him. And there were no martians involved.

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A lot of interesting points made here.

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Nothing Zimmerman says from here on out can be trusted. Not even what he told his dad in private (which is now coming out).

However, since Zimm is the only one able to talk about the events of that night, it’s his word against…??

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How obvious are broken noses though?

Here’s a pic of someone with a broken nose… clean up the blood and it’s pretty hard to tell

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Even Megyn Kelly Fox news anchor attorney says that the stand your ground law has nothing to do with this case. A point that may people were arguing earlier. (Shes a lawyer she should know) and the author of the stand your ground law even says it should not apply. I want to point out that all political sides of the spectrum have different views on this. I don’t think you can say Republicans support Zimmerman and Democrats support Trayvon. ITs just not that simple.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
If the man was getting his head bashed in and the back of his head was “Wet” upon arrival of the scene I want to see pics. Maybe they stiched a wound? Stiches on the back of his head that we can’t see? IDK but until we get his head under a microscope view I’m callin bullshit.[/quote]

Maybe. I would think that if the wound was bad enough to need stitches, he would have been taken to the ER and there would be blood on his jacket or something, or at least have a bandage. It did look like there may have been SOMETHING on the back of his head, but it could have been a bump or a small or stitched wound.[/quote]

In this still frame you can see what looks to be a cut that was stitched up, presumably by the EMTs.

You can see an officer checking out the back of his head at 1:10 in the video.
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Everyone drag this picture into a new tab to blow it up.

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I have a question:

Didn’t the evidence indicate (phone records) that Trayvon’s girlfriend called at 7:12pm and that the police arrive 5 minutes later?

How did it if go from talking on the phone to fighting badly enough that one guy was on the floor with his head repeatedly beaten against the ground, struggling for the gun (Zimmerman’s words)and one of them being shot in the chest?

Another question, if you have a guy sitting on top of you beating you and you are shooting him in the chest, would you not have his blood all over you?

There is no blood on Zimmerman, right?

I am very curious about the bullet entry wound and the distance from which the kid was shot.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

According to Zimms lawyer Tray broke his nose and cause a cut so serious on the back of his head that he needed stitches. Skip to 4:10[/quote]

LIAR!!!

Ehehehe… can’t see no blood on Killerman’s shirt. Hell, I’ve been in fights. Got my nose broken in several occasions and I can tell you, your shirt don’t look squeaky clean after that. No blood spots on his shirt to prove the fucker’s been bleeding.

Nada.

Fucking liar.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

If you read jewbacas link to the Orlando Sentenal, you would know Zimmerman and Martin were both relieved of their clothing at the scene as it was packaged for evidence. He isn’t wearing what he was when Trayvon attacked him. And there were no martians involved.[/quote]

I missed the part where they were relieved of their clothing. That explains one of my questions. I will have to wait until the coroner’s report and police photos are released for the rest. In that still overstand posted, it could have been stitches. It is hard to really tell in the video, but if he did receive stitches, that will come out sooner or later.

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Ah, really? They take your clothes at the scene, not at the station? So they have extra clothes with them or did Zimmerman have some extra in the car?

They undressed Trayvon before his parents identified the body?

this is all police procedure?

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
I have a question:

Didn’t the evidence indicate (phone records) that Trayvon’s girlfriend called at 7:12pm and that the police arrive 5 minutes later?

How did it if go from talking on the phone to fighting badly enough that one guy was on the floor with his head repeatedly beaten against the ground, struggling for the gun (Zimmerman’s words)and one of them being shot in the chest?

Another question, if you have a guy sitting on top of you beating you and you are shooting him in the chest, would you not have his blood all over you?

There is no blood on Zimmerman, right?

I am very curious about the bullet entry wound and the distance from which the kid was shot.[/quote]

We don’t know for sure. Many people have theorized about the ‘‘big fight’’ between Martin and Zimfuck. The only person who truly knows what happened that night is the killer. And so far, that bastard’s been inconsistent with every thing he said. He’s a fucking liar.

You may be onto something with your last line. I will not be surprised if that asshole just shot the kid in cold blood. The funeral director has stated there was no sign of cuts or bruises that indicated Trayvon was involved in a violent struggle. I’m now convinced that the person who shouted for help was Trayvon. He saw a gun pointed at him and feared for his life.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
How obvious are broken noses though?

Here’s a pic of someone with a broken nose… clean up the blood and it’s pretty hard to tell [/quote]

That’s true. We just need pics. Should come out soon with the investigation and all.