Have to agree. People are just as likely to say “goon” as they are “coon”. This isn’t the 1950’s. I won’t speculate, but it is just as likely that he said “coon” as it is that he said “goon”…and either way, he had made his mind up that Trayvon was negative enough to use either term.
So…he chases after him…
Once again…does the short wimpy guy with a gun chase a tall athlete at night in the rain and decide he will NOT use his gun?
My question is, why are we to believe he didn’t already have that gun out? [/quote]
Because eye witness testimony would’ve mentioned the man on the ground waving a pistol around instead of screaming for help.[/quote]
Bump.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I don’t know… I just watched that vid at full-screen size on my computer, and that one cop looks at the back of Zimm’s head as if there was something there. [/quote]
Nah, nah, there’s nothing there. I was expecting some gaping of some sort. You can clearly see when his back is facing the camera. Nothing. NADA. Perhaps we need a telescope of some sort…
But should he at least have some blood on his shirt? Broken nose from a vicious punch = shit load of blood. T-shirt looks clean as fuck. What about Trayvon’s blood on his clothes???
[quote]The funeral director who handled Martin’s funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.
“I didn?t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.[/quote]
This is what I was waiting for.
No cuts on the hands or wounds??
Uh, yeah, that doesn’t happen if someone is knocking the shit out of you with their fists.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
I didn’t even see marks where he could have been bleeding from on the back of his head, or grass stains and such. If they did not get any pictures of his injuries, that does not bode well for Zimmerman’s defense.[/quote]
Well…it did sound strange before since the media was making it seem like Trayvon was a black belt with Navy SEALs training.
So…though it may be speculation…it would seem that with no cuts on the hands, it is way more likely Trayvon was trying to get the gun out of Zimmerman’s hands and not punch Zimmerman to death.
The funeral director said there were no cuts or bruises on Trayvon’s hands. That doesn’t hold the same weight as the coroner saying that, but we will see. If Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face hard enough to knock him down, there would probably be a mark.
The funeral director said there were no cuts or bruises on Trayvon’s hands. That doesn’t hold the same weight as the coroner saying that, but we will see. If Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face hard enough to knock him down, there would probably be a mark.
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Probably? Ever punched a grown man in the head full force?
You are right about the coroner, but I would imagine the funeral director is not that uneducated on something that easy to spot.
[quote]The funeral director who handled Martin’s funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.
“I didn?t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.[/quote]
This is what I was waiting for.
No cuts on the hands or wounds??
Uh, yeah, that doesn’t happen if someone is knocking the shit out of you with their fists. [/quote]
Bruising is a given but not cuts. That mostly happens when you hit teeth or miss and hit the ground. A nose won’t cut your hand.
Especially if you aren’t punching but holding the guys head and bouncing it off the sidewalk.
[quote]The funeral director who handled Martin’s funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.
“I didn?t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.[/quote]
This is what I was waiting for.
No cuts on the hands or wounds??
Uh, yeah, that doesn’t happen if someone is knocking the shit out of you with their fists. [/quote]
I’m having a bad feeling about this… I swear, my heart is racing right now…
Did that motherfucker shoot Trayvon in cold blood?
Where’s Trayvon’s blood on Zimmfuck’s clothes? Where’s Zimmerfuck’s own blood – from an apparent broken nose – on his shirt?
Have to agree. People are just as likely to say “goon” as they are “coon”. This isn’t the 1950’s. I won’t speculate, but it is just as likely that he said “coon” as it is that he said “goon”…and either way, he had made his mind up that Trayvon was negative enough to use either term.
So…he chases after him…
Once again…does the short wimpy guy with a gun chase a tall athlete at night in the rain and decide he will NOT use his gun?
My question is, why are we to believe he didn’t already have that gun out? [/quote]
Because eye witness testimony would’ve mentioned the man on the ground waving a pistol around instead of screaming for help.[/quote]
Most eye-witness testimony was “abbreviated”. The couple who called into 911 was hiding upstairs. The kid walking his dog left the fight to find his dog. I haven’t heard even ONE state they saw the fight from the beginning to the end…plus it was NIGHT.
This kid had no wounds on his hands. That only happens if you haven’t been punching a human skull or you wore boxing gloves.
It is looking more and more like that gun was already out, that Tray saw it and knew about it and was trying to save his own life by getting the gun away from someone who was going to kill him. He was likely winning also.
No wounds on the hands…no blood on Zimmerman and very little sign of scuffle add up to “wrestling for gun control”.
Okay, I just read that Zimm had some medical attention prior to being brought in for questioning. If so, that would seemingly answer the video. On the other hand, if Zimm had suffered such a brutal beating, would he not at least be bandaged (back of the head)?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Okay, I just read that Zimm had some medical attention prior to being brought in for questioning. If so, that would seemingly answer the video. On the other hand, if Zimm had suffered such a brutal beating, would he not at least be bandaged (back of the head)?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Okay, I just read that Zimm had some medical attention prior to being brought in for questioning. If so, that would seemingly answer the video. On the other hand, if Zimm had suffered such a brutal beating, would he not at least be bandaged (back of the head)?
The funeral director said there were no cuts or bruises on Trayvon’s hands. That doesn’t hold the same weight as the coroner saying that, but we will see. If Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face hard enough to knock him down, there would probably be a mark.
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Probably? Ever punched a grown man in the head full force?
You are right about the coroner, but I would imagine the funeral director is not that uneducated on something that easy to spot.[/quote]
Even with my hands wrapped and 16oz gloves on sometimes I still get bruises on my knuckles from bag practice. But as you say…it’s up to the coroner.
"While Florida does have the stand your ground law, in which one could justifiably shoot someone even if they weren?t physically attacking, the point here is the video shows that Zimmerman lied about what happened.
The police, despite massive nationwide protests and even pressure from Congress, have also failed to file charges against Zimmerman.
Instead the police have vouched for Zimmerman?s account and have even been accused of ?correcting witness statements?
The video shows that incident did not happen as Zimmerman and the Police claim.
Instead of the lack of charges being due to a valid self-defense this all now appears to be part of a blatant coverup to let the son of a retired US Magistrate judge off the hook for murdering, as Zimmerman called him right before killing him, a ?fucking coon?.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
I didn’t know he was the son of a retired US Magistrate…that might be muchado about nothing but it is another interesting wrinkle.[/quote]
IDK but what im thinking is this was more a struggle for the gun rather than fisticuffs and an eventual shooting. IT was dark and late at night. Witnesses couldve easily confused one for the other. I mean now that we see he doesn’t have significant bandages or dressings. No brusies on his face or nose…We’ll have to see what the EMT’s did on him.