Given the circumstances, it’s NOT unreasonable to assume Zimm may have tried to restrain or at least block Tray in some way… knowing full well the cops would soon arrive and take over, at which point Zimm would achieve hero status.
That would be a far better reason for Tray to punch Zimm, instead of as Zimm turned away.
Who knows. All we have is Zimm’s word.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
If your gun isn’t ready to fire, you have no business carrying one.
maybe to find out who he was, or keep track to tell police where he went? There are about a million possibilities.[/quote]
wait…you really think if you run up to a criminal and ask their name…you will get the honest truth?
That makes no logical sense.
Remember, he is out of shape and shorter than the guy he is running after. It would be plain STUPID on his part to NOT have his gun drawn in a situation like that if he really thought this was a criminal.
Once again, where that gun was can change everything…and that is not a light concern.
This guy was too weak to defend himself yet people think the gun was hidden???
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
Is it not possible he was only foot because he wanted to direct police to the correct location once they arrived? That he never intended to confront Trayvon at all?
And now you think Trayvon attacked a guy with his gun drawn? This isn’t Hollywood dude.
Keep calling him a “pasty” guy, your true colors are showing.[/quote]
He was already on the phone with cops watching him. He was watching so close that Trayvon made him. Then, the OUT OF SHAPE PASTY SHORT GUY runs after him…without his two ton car.
Yeah, if you want to believe that…cool.
It is way more likely this scared guy who sounds like a kid screaming for help was out of his league from the start.
Also, you prefer I use flabby? they mean the same thing as far as I am concerned.
remember, if you are offended, it means others need to handle your emotions for you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
If your gun isn’t ready to fire, you have no business carrying one.
maybe to find out who he was, or keep track to tell police where he went? There are about a million possibilities.[/quote]
wait…you really think if you run up to a criminal and ask their name…you will get the honest truth?
That makes no logical sense.
Remember, he is out of shape and shorter than the guy he is running after. It would be plain STUPID on his part to NOT have his gun drawn in a situation like that if he really thought this was a criminal.
Once again, where that gun was can change everything…and that is not a light concern.
This guy was too weak to defend himself yet people think the gun was hidden???[/quote]
No, you do not draw a gun unless you are seriously under SEVERE threat.
And again, you are assuming confrontation was intended.
The guy I followed was to keep track of him, not confront him.
All this make believe is getting old.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t know exactly what happened.
[/quote]
Then why have you been vilifying Zimmermans punk ass (your words)without knowing all the facts now?
[/quote]
I do find it humorous that as Trayvon begins to look like the aggressor, some posters are leaving witch hunts for “Let’s be sensible guys, we don’t have all the facts.”
No personal bias though, right?[/quote]
Hey at least we’re not the jury. Isn’t that why you’ve been making your argument?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
Is it not possible he was only foot because he wanted to direct police to the correct location once they arrived? That he never intended to confront Trayvon at all?
And now you think Trayvon attacked a guy with his gun drawn? This isn’t Hollywood dude.
Keep calling him a “pasty” guy, your true colors are showing.[/quote]
Also, you prefer I use flabby? they mean the same thing as far as I am concerned.
[/quote]
Pasty and flabby are the same thing? When did this happen?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
If your gun isn’t ready to fire, you have no business carrying one.
maybe to find out who he was, or keep track to tell police where he went? There are about a million possibilities.[/quote]
wait…you really think if you run up to a criminal and ask their name…you will get the honest truth?
That makes no logical sense.
Remember, he is out of shape and shorter than the guy he is running after. It would be plain STUPID on his part to NOT have his gun drawn in a situation like that if he really thought this was a criminal.
Once again, where that gun was can change everything…and that is not a light concern.
This guy was too weak to defend himself yet people think the gun was hidden???[/quote]
No, you do not draw a gun unless you are seriously under SEVERE threat.
And again, you are assuming confrontation was intended.
The guy I followed was to keep track of him, not confront him.
All this make believe is getting old.[/quote]
Yeah, DD, that’s the point! YOU did the right thing. YOU were clear-headed. You did not persue the suspect physically. Zimmerman made a huge mistake that night by not doing what you rightly did.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Easrly last week, an 85-year-old woman was sexually assaulted and battered to death by a home invader who also shot her 90-year-old husband in the face with a BB gun. Nancy and Bob Strait, who had celebrated their 65th wedding anniversary in December, were discovered by their daughter at their home in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Mr Strait, who served in the 101st Airborne Division in World War II, suffered a broken jaw, broken ribs and severe bleeding. He is in a serious condition in a local hospital.
Today, police have arrested 20-year-old Tyrone Dale David Woodfork (pictured above) in connection with the case.
Unlike Mr. “white-hispanic” Zimmerman, Mr. Woodfork’s race is not mentioned anywhere in the article.
WHERE IS JESSE JACKSON? WHERE IS AL SHARPTON? WHERE IS THE MEDIA?
Why is this only to be found in an English paper?
Ask yourself: does our media have an agenda?[/quote]
�¢??There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs �¢?? partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do do not want to lose their jobs.�¢??
�¢?? �¢?? Booker T. Washington
Edit:
That picture is talking about the murder of Channon Christian and her boyfriend Chris Newsome.
They were kidnapped by 5 black people and tortured for days. They finally cut Chris’ penis off and burned him alive before shooting him.
You can go read what they did to Channon, it is absolutely disgusting and will ruin your day.[/quote]
Race aside, the case pictured is exactly why self defense laws should be heavily supported. I mean what the fuck?
And who knows if something like that might happen. Just out of the blue, eating dinner on any given night. It’s unlikely but had the victims had a gun, I’m willing to bet shit would’ve happened differently. I know we all like to be hard asses but if you get caught off guard by a group like that you’re going to have a hard time furious fisting your way out of it.
It’s a real shame Christopher and Channon were unable to start killing people at the onset of the carjacking.
Come at me.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
If your gun isn’t ready to fire, you have no business carrying one.
maybe to find out who he was, or keep track to tell police where he went? There are about a million possibilities.[/quote]
wait…you really think if you run up to a criminal and ask their name…you will get the honest truth?
That makes no logical sense.
Remember, he is out of shape and shorter than the guy he is running after. It would be plain STUPID on his part to NOT have his gun drawn in a situation like that if he really thought this was a criminal.
Once again, where that gun was can change everything…and that is not a light concern.
This guy was too weak to defend himself yet people think the gun was hidden???[/quote]
No, you do not draw a gun unless you are seriously under SEVERE threat.
And again, you are assuming confrontation was intended.
The guy I followed was to keep track of him, not confront him.
All this make believe is getting old.[/quote]
Yeah, DD, that’s the point! YOU did the right thing. YOU were clear-headed. You did not persue the suspect physically. Zimmerman made a huge mistake that night by not doing what you rightly did.
[/quote]
What? when did these facts come out? For all we know, Zimmerman could have been doing the EXACT same thing.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
Is it not possible he was only foot because he wanted to direct police to the correct location once they arrived? That he never intended to confront Trayvon at all?
And now you think Trayvon attacked a guy with his gun drawn? This isn’t Hollywood dude.
Keep calling him a “pasty” guy, your true colors are showing.[/quote]
Also, you prefer I use flabby? they mean the same thing as far as I am concerned.
[/quote]
Pasty and flabby are the same thing? When did this happen?
[/quote]
I always knew it to mean soft too.
There was a kid at my son’s school that everyone called Pasty… because he had the look of a soft, butterfat-beneath-the-skin appearance.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
No, you do not draw a gun unless you are seriously under SEVERE threat.[/quote]
Hold up…why do you assume a man who called the cops more times than I have called my mom in the past year is following some standard like this?
This guy was small and weak and RUNNING AFTER SOMEONE. Once again, what the fuck was he planning to do after he caught them? Sing them songs to keep them occupied until the cops showed up?
“They always get away” sounds to me like someone determined to not let that happen again.
the real question is why you think this can’t happen.
[quote]
And again, you are assuming confrontation was intended.
The guy I followed was to keep track of him, not confront him.
All this make believe is getting old.[/quote]
?? What the fuck else was he planning to do in the rain?
he had a car. Why not stay in it if the goal was just to tail someone?
That makes no fucking sense…and you know it.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
If your gun isn’t ready to fire, you have no business carrying one.
maybe to find out who he was, or keep track to tell police where he went? There are about a million possibilities.[/quote]
wait…you really think if you run up to a criminal and ask their name…you will get the honest truth?
That makes no logical sense.
Remember, he is out of shape and shorter than the guy he is running after. It would be plain STUPID on his part to NOT have his gun drawn in a situation like that if he really thought this was a criminal.
Once again, where that gun was can change everything…and that is not a light concern.
This guy was too weak to defend himself yet people think the gun was hidden???[/quote]
No, you do not draw a gun unless you are seriously under SEVERE threat.
And again, you are assuming confrontation was intended.
The guy I followed was to keep track of him, not confront him.
All this make believe is getting old.[/quote]
Yeah, DD, that’s the point! YOU did the right thing. YOU were clear-headed. You did not persue the suspect physically. Zimmerman made a huge mistake that night by not doing what you rightly did.
[/quote]
What? when did these facts come out? For all we know, Zimmerman could have been doing the EXACT same thing.
[/quote]
What?? Then how did he end up in a fight and then shooting the suspect?
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
After reading the last few pages I’m just going to go off topic once:
You dudes can be apologetic about agreeing with me if you want but I’m right about a shit ton across the boards and you all fucking know it.
/hijack[/quote]
nope and so far you are one of the worst with “facts point to”. There are no facts yet.[/quote]
Yep and no facts except all the facts.[/quote]
How about you cite one “fact” then that has been proven besides a kid is dead, there was an altercation and you are a douche.[/quote]
Ok, your butt is awfully hurt, Zimmerman was beaten, the DA didn’t see enough evidence to make an arrest and evidence supports Zimmermans version of events. And I am more handsome than you.
[/quote]
Not butthurt, irked that this shit keeps being portrayed as fact. Apparently you can’t differentiate between fact and blogs.
Zimmerman could have caused his own injuries, you don’t know why there wasn’t a case brought forth and the third is speculation until it is testimony.
Also, I wouldn’t want to be the handsomest man in the world if it included your personality.
[/quote]
So you’re saying witch hunts are bad? Hmm…
And I appreciate the compliment. I also understand, being awesome isn’t for everybody.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
That’s Your house. Unless you are doing this for your neighborhood, that isn’t much of a point. [/quote]
Around my house includes the street and other houses.[/quote]
And if the person you question is in the middle of the street and tells you none of your business, what do you do?
[/quote]
Pout. [/quote]
Depends on what they were doing and how they answered. watch them or call the police if I thought it was the reasonable thing. But telling me to fuck off would probably make me more suspicious.
[/quote]
Sounds reasonable enough and I agree that is just being a good neighbor. I was just curious as to what your response would be.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
Is it not possible he was only foot because he wanted to direct police to the correct location once they arrived? That he never intended to confront Trayvon at all?
And now you think Trayvon attacked a guy with his gun drawn? This isn’t Hollywood dude.
Keep calling him a “pasty” guy, your true colors are showing.[/quote]
Also, you prefer I use flabby? they mean the same thing as far as I am concerned.
[/quote]
Pasty and flabby are the same thing? When did this happen?
[/quote]
I always knew it to mean soft too.
There was a kid at my son’s school that everyone called Pasty… because he had the look of a soft, butterfat-beneath-the-skin appearance.
[/quote]
never heard that. I only knew it to refer to complexion, though I know it is often used insultingly in conjunction with being fat. Someone called me pasty on my log, I didn’t know he meant flabby.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
Is it not possible he was only foot because he wanted to direct police to the correct location once they arrived? That he never intended to confront Trayvon at all?
And now you think Trayvon attacked a guy with his gun drawn? This isn’t Hollywood dude.
Keep calling him a “pasty” guy, your true colors are showing.[/quote]
He was already on the phone with cops watching him. He was watching so close that Trayvon made him. Then, the OUT OF SHAPE PASTY SHORT GUY runs after him…without his two ton car.
Yeah, if you want to believe that…cool.
It is way more likely this scared guy who sounds like a kid screaming for help was out of his league from the start.
Also, you prefer I use flabby? they mean the same thing as far as I am concerned.
remember, if you are offended, it means others need to handle your emotions for you.[/quote]
Zimmerman is following Trayvon in his car. Trayvon realizes he is being followed and, as per his girlfriend’s statement, “walks fast” and cuts through some yards.
Zimmerman believes Trayvon is trying to flee, so, while still on the phone with 911, he exits his vehicle to pursue on foot. He wants to keep Trayvon in his sights so he can direct the police to the correct street/address once they arrive.
The dispatcher realizes George is on foot and advises, “We don’t need you to do that.”. George says OK and hangs up the phone. He turns around and heads back to his car. Trayvon, whom we now know has a history of drugs and fighting, realizes he has about half a foot on Zimmerman and decides he would be an easy target.
Trayvon approaches Zimmerman and they have words. While Zimmerman pulls out his phone to redial 911, Trayvon sucker punches him in the face. A witness then sees Trayvon on top of Zimmerman bashing his head into the ground.
At this point Zimmerman is screaming for help and nobody is coming. He draws his concealed weapon and fires once into Trayvon’s chest.
This scenario is textbook self defense and is consistent with and supported by the facts in this case.
And pasty means pale btw, not fat. It sounds like you are making reference to the color of his skin.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also do wonder what Zimmerman’s next step was going to be in his own mind.
Let’s assume for an instant that Zimmerman’s absolute belief that this kid was a criminal and did not belong (as it sounds on those tape) is why he ran after him.
What was plan B?
After you run up to the criminal…with weapon…the next step was…?
Just a note…I don’t think for a second that this pasty guy ran after a “crminal” WITHOUT his gun ready to fire.
If you do believe that…wow.[/quote]
Is it not possible he was only foot because he wanted to direct police to the correct location once they arrived? That he never intended to confront Trayvon at all?
And now you think Trayvon attacked a guy with his gun drawn? This isn’t Hollywood dude.
Keep calling him a “pasty” guy, your true colors are showing.[/quote]
Also, you prefer I use flabby? they mean the same thing as far as I am concerned.
[/quote]
Pasty and flabby are the same thing? When did this happen?
[/quote]
I always knew it to mean soft too.
There was a kid at my son’s school that everyone called Pasty… because he had the look of a soft, butterfat-beneath-the-skin appearance.
[/quote]
never heard that. I only knew it to refer to complexion, though I know it is often used insultingly in conjunction with being fat. Someone called me pasty on my log, I didn’t know he meant flabby.[/quote]
Yeah, always meant fishbelly white to me.
Pasty, according to Websters can also mean unhealthy. It is funny what people choose to focus on.
Illogical: Short, fat, unmuscled guy running after Tall, athletic young teenager…IN THE RAIN…after leaving his car and stating “they always get away”…but no weapon drawn in an effort to not tail but literally run up to and question (and possibly retain until cops arrived).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Pasty, according to Websters can also mean unhealthy. It is funny what people choose to focus on.
Illogical: Short, fat, unmuscled guy running after Tall, athletic young teenager…IN THE RAIN…after leaving his car and stating “they always get away”…but no weapon drawn in an effort to not tail but literally run up to and question (and possibly retain until cops arrived).
[/quote]
past·y/Ë?pastÄ?/
Noun:
A folded pastry case filled with seasoned meat and vegetables.
Adjective:
(of a person’s face) Unhealthily pale.
It’s even funnier how you try to lie when everyone can google the fucking definition for themselves in 3 seconds.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
After reading the last few pages I’m just going to go off topic once:
You dudes can be apologetic about agreeing with me if you want but I’m right about a shit ton across the boards and you all fucking know it.
/hijack[/quote]
nope and so far you are one of the worst with “facts point to”. There are no facts yet.[/quote]
Yep and no facts except all the facts.[/quote]
How about you cite one “fact” then that has been proven besides a kid is dead, there was an altercation and you are a douche.[/quote]
Ok, your butt is awfully hurt, Zimmerman was beaten, the DA didn’t see enough evidence to make an arrest and evidence supports Zimmermans version of events. And I am more handsome than you.
[/quote]
Not butthurt, irked that this shit keeps being portrayed as fact. Apparently you can’t differentiate between fact and blogs.
Zimmerman could have caused his own injuries, you don’t know why there wasn’t a case brought forth and the third is speculation until it is testimony.
Also, I wouldn’t want to be the handsomest man in the world if it included your personality.
[/quote]
So you’re saying witch hunts are bad? Hmm…
And I appreciate the compliment. I also understand, being awesome isn’t for everybody.[/quote]
The part about witchhunts is where I agreed with you remember? For someone so unbiased you sure are trying hard to sway the jury.
I never implied you were handsome, just a douche. If that equals awesome in your world so be it.