[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
but maybe it was his former OC judge dad with the close ties???[/quote]
Not sure, but I think that was debunked. It apparently started because some TV channel mis-identified someone.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
DD…it’s been a while. There is nothing wrong with that. But where is the line drawn as far as your actions…IF the person is not committing a crime and/or threatening to harm you.
EDIT But as X pointed out that’s your home…so that does change dynamics of situation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
That’s Your house. Unless you are doing this for your neighborhood, that isn’t much of a point. [/quote]
Around my house includes the street and other houses.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zimmerman was in love with the police…he probably hit the guy out of frustrated desire.[/quote]
Really? Where’s your evidence?
All we have is the Hispanic guy saying the Black guy cold-cocked him, 5 witnesses saying the Black kid was pounding the Hispanic guy, and physical evidence showing the situs of the fight was consistent with the Hispanic guy’s story?
Do you have a witness we don’t know about? Any physical evidence? Say blood splatter somewhere else beside the place of the ultimate fight?
Do you have anything but your pre-conceived notions and since of victimhood to fulfil the burden of proof?
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zimmerman was in love with the police…he probably hit the guy out of frustrated desire.[/quote]
Really? Where’s your evidence? [/quote]
You took that statement literally?
OK…I think Zimmerman was gay for cops.
[quote]
All we have is the Hispanic guy saying the Black guy cold-cocked him, 5 witnesses saying the Black kid was pounding the Hispanic guy, and physical evidence showing the situs of the fight was consistent with the Hispanic guy’s story?[/quote]
You’ve seen all physical evidence?
Really?
Uh…L…O…L
I don’t think all of the facts are even known yet by the cops.
[quote]
Do you have a witness we don’t know about? Any physical evidence? Say blood splatter somewhere else beside the place of the ultimate fight?
Do you have anything but your pre-conceived notions and since of victimhood to fulfil the burden of proof?[/quote]
Dude, what proof are YOU going off of. I don’t know exactly what happened. I know what is likely and keep asking questions…LIKE WHERE THE FUCK WAS THE GUN.
But clearly, you have already done your own CSI investigation.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
That’s Your house. Unless you are doing this for your neighborhood, that isn’t much of a point. [/quote]
Around my house includes the street and other houses.[/quote]
Yeah, and your “authority” doesn’t include any other property than your own unless your neighbors gave you permission to “defend” their houses against non-intruders.
I have great neighbors. Dude called me when I left my garage door up one night. THAT is being a good neighbor.
If he started questioning my friends when they visit, NO.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
but maybe it was his former OC judge dad with the close ties???[/quote]
Not sure, but I think that was debunked. It apparently started because some TV channel mis-identified someone.[/quote]
I actually am still little suspicious of that(because of the sources)…which is why I haven’t really focused it myself…BUT I have yet to find anything that debunks it.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
DD…it’s been a while. There is nothing wrong with that. But where is the line drawn as far as your actions…IF the person is not committing a crime and/or threatening to harm you.
EDIT But as X pointed out that’s your home…so that does change dynamics of situation.[/quote]
I’ve even followed (in a car, not on foot) and called the cops on a guy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
That’s Your house. Unless you are doing this for your neighborhood, that isn’t much of a point. [/quote]
Around my house includes the street and other houses.[/quote]
Yeah, and your “authority” doesn’t include any other property than your own unless your neighbors gave you permission to “defend” their houses against non-intruders.
I have great neighbors. Dude called me when I left my garage door up one night. THAT is being a good neighbor.
If he started questioning my friends when they visit, NO.[/quote]
I share property with one of them. And what I do doesn’t require the permission of my neighbors.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
he probably hit the guy out of frustrated desire.[/quote]
Again, where’s your evidence?
I see all these calls on Morning Joe or whatever demanding an arrest. You certainly seem to be joining the chorus.
To have an arrest, you need “probable cause.” Here, you need evidence that the Hispanic guy “provoked” (again, a legal term of art) the final fight.
What evidence is there? None, of course.
Now, I don’t declare the Hispanic guy “innocent.” Very possible he is not. But he is very likely “not guilty.” The cops (who WERE motivated to arrest the guy – and, in fact, tried to) have said they had no probable cause to hold him, and cut him lose.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t know exactly what happened.
[/quote]
Then why have you been vilifying Zimmermans punk ass (your words)without knowing all the facts now?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
That’s Your house. Unless you are doing this for your neighborhood, that isn’t much of a point. [/quote]
Around my house includes the street and other houses.[/quote]
Yeah, and your “authority” doesn’t include any other property than your own unless your neighbors gave you permission to “defend” their houses against non-intruders.
I have great neighbors. Dude called me when I left my garage door up one night. THAT is being a good neighbor.
If he started questioning my friends when they visit, NO.[/quote]
I share property with one of them. And what I do doesn’t require the permission of my neighbors.[/quote]
?
I don’t know if you are just arguing just do it or what, but again, you do NOT have the right to restrain and question someone who is NOT on your property when they are doing nothing wrong but walking down a public street.
I hope you know this already.
Being a good neighbor is noticing that a strange man is looking into your neighbor’s window and climbing in so you call the police.
It is not about running up to people walking and questioning what they are doing there.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t know exactly what happened.
[/quote]
Then why have you been vilifying Zimmermans punk ass (your words)without knowing all the facts now?
[/quote]
I think we have enough facts for me to form my opinion of his character.
It would be MY opinion after all. I wasn’t aware I had to clear that by you.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
That’s Your house. Unless you are doing this for your neighborhood, that isn’t much of a point. [/quote]
Around my house includes the street and other houses.[/quote]
And if the person you question is in the middle of the street and tells you none of your business, what do you do?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
DD…it’s been a while. There is nothing wrong with that. But where is the line drawn as far as your actions…IF the person is not committing a crime and/or threatening to harm you.
EDIT But as X pointed out that’s your home…so that does change dynamics of situation.[/quote]
I’ve even followed (in a car, not on foot) and called the cops on a guy. [/quote]
AGAIN…within your “authority.” However,there is still a line you didn’t cross…which you just highlighted.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
After reading the last few pages I’m just going to go off topic once:
You dudes can be apologetic about agreeing with me if you want but I’m right about a shit ton across the boards and you all fucking know it.
/hijack[/quote]
nope and so far you are one of the worst with “facts point to”. There are no facts yet.[/quote]
Yep and no facts except all the facts.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
but maybe it was his former OC judge dad with the close ties???[/quote]
Not sure, but I think that was debunked. It apparently started because some TV channel mis-identified someone.[/quote]
I actually am still little suspicious of that(because of the sources)…which is why I haven’t really focused it myself…BUT I have yet to find anything that debunks it.[/quote]
The Orlando Sentenal has a running “what is true and not true” series of articles.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Can we get a list of actual FACTS around here?? Not opinions…not assumptions based off “knowledge of laws” There’s facts about each person involved that standout(in varying degrees) BUT are those “personal demons” of each person relevant to painting a picture of what happened?
There’s so much muddy crap surrounding this case(or lack thereof)…I don’t see how anyone in their right mind can come to a solid conclusion of what happened.[/quote]
I agree with this.[/quote]
Hallelujah.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Although factual recaps have peppered the thread as information has been dispersed.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t know exactly what happened.
[/quote]
Then why have you been vilifying Zimmermans punk ass (your words)without knowing all the facts now?
[/quote]
I think we have enough facts for me to form my opinion of his character.
It would be MY opinion after all. I wasn’t aware I had to clear that by you.[/quote]
Oh I forgot opinons go unchallenged in public forums.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
Depends on the questions and how they are asked. Also, anyone can tell you to fuck off and mind your own business and if you don’t they may, under certain conditions, legally consider you a threat (if they notice the gun they probably will) and act accordingly. Walk up to woman in a parking garage at night to ask a question and see if you don’t get peppered sprayed…legally. I don’t get how everyone seems to think they have the right to play sheriff…is it carrying a gun that empowers them?