[quote]Professor X wrote:
Anyone who destroys a family like that deserves to be placed on death row, in my opinion. The complete disrespect for the woman and her age and that of her husband is disgusting.
This jackass does not have any power over anyone in society.
The concept of understanding that social power and how it changes the dynamic of those involved is what has been discussed in this thread.
You may choose to disagree with it. That is your decision…but posting as if that point hasn’t been made abundantly clear is ridiculous.
Fuck the guy who raped that woman and killed her husband. He deserves what he gets.
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He had complete and total power over the elderly couple.
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I think the point is why the media wouldn’t dare make race an issue in this case but when the tables are turned such as in the Zimmerman case, race is the first thing brought up and the usual gang of talking heads are out there running thir mouth.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Anyone who destroys a family like that deserves to be placed on death row, in my opinion. The complete disrespect for the woman and her age and that of her husband is disgusting.
This jackass does not have any power over anyone in society.
The concept of understanding that social power and how it changes the dynamic of those involved is what has been discussed in this thread.
You may choose to disagree with it. That is your decision…but posting as if that point hasn’t been made abundantly clear is ridiculous.
Fuck the guy who raped that woman and killed her husband. He deserves what he gets.
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He had complete and total power over the elderly couple.
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I think the point is why the media wouldn’t dare make race an issue in this case but when the tables are turned such as in the Zimmerman case, race is the first thing brought up and the usual gang of talking heads are out there running thir mouth.[/quote]
No, the 2 cases are completely different. They are not merely a reversal of races. The rape and murder and assault of the elderly couple is far far worse than the Zimmerman case (unless details were to come out that Zimmerman tortured Trayvon or something).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Anyone who destroys a family like that deserves to be placed on death row, in my opinion. The complete disrespect for the woman and her age and that of her husband is disgusting.
This jackass does not have any power over anyone in society.
The concept of understanding that social power and how it changes the dynamic of those involved is what has been discussed in this thread.
You may choose to disagree with it. That is your decision…but posting as if that point hasn’t been made abundantly clear is ridiculous.
Fuck the guy who raped that woman and killed her husband. He deserves what he gets.
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He had complete and total power over the elderly couple.
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I think the point is why the media wouldn’t dare make race an issue in this case but when the tables are turned such as in the Zimmerman case, race is the first thing brought up and the usual gang of talking heads are out there running thir mouth.[/quote]
…and that difference would be that Zimmmerman was an ‘AUTHORITY FIGURE’, not some random insane criminal like in the story just posted. He was the man who was supposed to PROTECT everyone else.
That is the point that has been made as people run right over it like it doesn’t matter.
It does.
If you can’t trust the people chosen to protect you, who do you trust?
Can we get a list of actual FACTS around here?? Not opinions…not assumptions based off “knowledge of laws” There’s facts about each person involved that standout(in varying degrees) BUT are those “personal demons” of each person relevant to painting a picture of what happened?
There’s so much muddy crap surrounding this case(or lack thereof)…I don’t see how anyone in their right mind can come to a solid conclusion of what happened.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Anyone who destroys a family like that deserves to be placed on death row, in my opinion. The complete disrespect for the woman and her age and that of her husband is disgusting.
This jackass does not have any power over anyone in society.
The concept of understanding that social power and how it changes the dynamic of those involved is what has been discussed in this thread.
You may choose to disagree with it. That is your decision…but posting as if that point hasn’t been made abundantly clear is ridiculous.
Fuck the guy who raped that woman and killed her husband. He deserves what he gets.
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He had complete and total power over the elderly couple.
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I think the point is why the media wouldn’t dare make race an issue in this case but when the tables are turned such as in the Zimmerman case, race is the first thing brought up and the usual gang of talking heads are out there running thir mouth.[/quote]
…and that difference would be that Zimmmerman was an ‘AUTHORITY FIGURE’, not some random insane criminal like in the story just posted. He was the man who was supposed to PROTECT everyone else.
That is the point that has been made as people run right over it like it doesn’t matter.
It does.
If you can’t trust the people chosen to protect you, who do you trust?[/quote]
Yeah, because Trayvon would be much better off if he’d been shot by a common criminal.
Is there even anything to show that Trayvon knew Zimmerman was neighborhood watch (not that that’s much of an authority on anything)
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Can we get a list of actual FACTS around here?? Not opinions…not assumptions based off “knowledge of laws” There’s facts about each person involved that standout(in varying degrees) BUT are those “personal demons” of each person relevant to painting a picture of what happened?
There’s so much muddy crap surrounding this case(or lack thereof)…I don’t see how anyone in their right mind can come to a solid conclusion of what happened.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
. . . the concept of understanding that social power [/quote]
Some barely employed, poor, half-Peruvian wanna-be cop has “social power”?
In Spike Lee fantasyland, perhaps.[/quote]
? That “wannabe” had a GUN and was the look out for crime in that whole community. Uh, yeah, that does give him authority over a teenager…especially since so many are arguing he had a right to shoot. That “wannabe” also had close ties (and was trained by) that local police department.
Yeah, because Trayvon would be much better off if he’d been shot by a common criminal.
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I am going to assume you already understand that this issue is so huge BECAUSE IT NOT JUST ABOUT TRAYVON. It never has been. That is why the race issue is so huge…because cases like this affect the entire fucking community.
I don’t even think wearing a hood was seen as a negative before this…but I bet it will be on the mind of every jackass in a clothing store from here on out.
The effects of this incident stretch out NATIONWIDE…yet you are just focused on whether Trayvon would care who killed him?
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Can we get a list of actual FACTS around here?? Not opinions…not assumptions based off “knowledge of laws” There’s facts about each person involved that standout(in varying degrees) BUT are those “personal demons” of each person relevant to painting a picture of what happened?
There’s so much muddy crap surrounding this case(or lack thereof)…I don’t see how anyone in their right mind can come to a solid conclusion of what happened.[/quote]
I agree with this.[/quote]
Gotta agree, as well. If the State Attorney’s office is busy scratching their heads over where to go with the evidence, wiki-quoting Florida law is probably not the most accurate way to go about determining liability.
Yeah, because Trayvon would be much better off if he’d been shot by a common criminal.
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I am going to assume you already understand that this issue is so huge BECAUSE IT NOT JUST ABOUT TRAYVON. It never has been. That is why the race issue is so huge…because cases like this affect the entire fucking community.
I don’t even think wearing a hood was seen as a negative before this…but I bet it will be on the mind of every jackass in a clothing store from here on out.
The effects of this incident stretch out NATIONWIDE…yet you are just focused on whether Trayvon would care who killed him?
No, Trayvon probably wouldn’t.
I bet his BROTHER would.[/quote]
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That “wannabe” also had close ties (and was trained by) that local police department.[/quote]
I don’t think Zimmerman himself had the close ties…considering his arrests(but no convictions) for assaulting and resisting officers…but maybe it was his former OC judge dad with the close ties???
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That “wannabe” also had close ties (and was trained by) that local police department.[/quote]
I don’t think Zimmerman himself had the close ties…considering his arrests(but no convictions) for assaulting and resisting officers…but maybe it was his former OC judge dad with the close ties???[/quote]
No, I read the neighborhood watch was trained by the PD. He was directly trained by them.
You know what is fucking hilarious? on Morning Joe they have been adamantly calling for Zimmermans arrest, with Joe looking into the camera talking directly to the Florida police and telling them they will make the case an issue every day until that happens. I didn’t see them bring it up once this morning, now that new information has come out. So let’s just ignore that we ran our mouths before we knew all the details and just not talk about it, right?
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.
So is this about race or “authority”? If he had a white brother, do you have more right to champion this social outrage, or does he?
It is my understanding that a neighborhood watch guy has exactly 0 more power than a regular guy.[/quote]
If he has zero power, why is he questioning anyone? Trayvon deserves every right to defend himself against some jackass trying to restrain him for questioning if they have no power.[/quote]
Cause anyone can ask anyone questions.
I question anyone I see around my house that I don’t know and I always carry a gun when I do it too.[/quote]
That’s Your house. Unless you are doing this for your neighborhood, that isn’t much of a point.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
. . . the concept of understanding that social power [/quote]
Some barely employed, poor, half-Peruvian wanna-be cop has “social power”?
In Spike Lee fantasyland, perhaps.[/quote]
? That “wannabe” had a GUN and was the look out for crime in that whole community. Uh, yeah, that does give him authority over a teenager…especially since so many are arguing he had a right to shoot. That “wannabe” also had close ties (and was trained by) that local police department.[/quote]
Yeah, he was a real insider. That’s why the beat patrol wanted to arrest him (but could not due to Florida law).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That “wannabe” also had close ties (and was trained by) that local police department.[/quote]
I don’t think Zimmerman himself had the close ties…considering his arrests(but no convictions) for assaulting and resisting officers…but maybe it was his former OC judge dad with the close ties???[/quote]
No, I read the neighborhood watch was trained by the PD. He was directly trained by them.[/quote]
Damn…well that doesn’t bode well for that PD’s program.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
. . . the concept of understanding that social power [/quote]
Some barely employed, poor, half-Peruvian wanna-be cop has “social power”?
In Spike Lee fantasyland, perhaps.[/quote]
? That “wannabe” had a GUN and was the look out for crime in that whole community. Uh, yeah, that does give him authority over a teenager…especially since so many are arguing he had a right to shoot. That “wannabe” also had close ties (and was trained by) that local police department.[/quote]
Yeah, he was a real insider. That’s why the beat patrol wanted to arrest him (but could not due to Florida law).[/quote]
He assaulted a police officer and they basically let it slide from what I’ve read. Yeah, I have no doubt he had ties with that police department…part of the reason he was on the phone with them so much.
I mean, are you forgetting that he basically spoke to them on the phone more than Trayvon did with his girl?
Zimmerman was in love with the police…he probably hit the guy out of frustrated desire.