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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Using a physical description of a person isn’t racial profiling, it’s called following evidence and logic.
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You know, a physical description is “height, weight, hair style, clothing, and finally skin color”.

A physical description is not “black”…uh, walking…in the rain". [/quote]
Try “height, weight, hair style, clothing and finally skin color”.

Oh wait, you did.

Funny you are only focusing on skin color in the conversation though. Martin’s skin color was certainly pertinent as you seem to agree and yes, there is more to a profile as you also know. So what is the problem?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

White people are murdered WAY more often by Black people than Black people are murdered by cops. There is no denying that.

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Black people killing white people get arrested WAY more often and are sent to jail without any hesitation.

There’s no denying in that.[/quote]

So are Hispanics…

Shouldn’t that be an argument for MORE prudence in the judicial process?[/quote]

Hispanics? the white or the black ones?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You aren’t good at this…and the insults suck.

[/quote]

Refering to you as a “REMF” is not meant to be an insult.

It’s just a description.

You’re a real armchair badass, who lives shaking afraid of white cops and wants to put some dude in prison because he shot a wanna-be gangbanger who happened to be black.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.[/quote]

Please guy. YOu wanna read that deep into sarcasm you can if you want to. What you don’t realize is some of the hateful comments you have spewed support a “sad world view” Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on.

I do respect your debating power, for it is strong…but gimme a break with that comment.[/quote]
Hateful comments?

What I said was “given what we know, I would’ve shot Trayvon too” and I would have, if I were George. In reality if Trayvon had punched me I would have broken his jaw but in fat putz George’s situation I’d have shot so you can hold my statement for what it was.

What we know, and the context of my comment, is that according to evidence, Trayvon attacked George for asking him a question and was severely beating him.

I did not consider conjecture when making my statement, and won’t consider it now. I made my comment based on facts available.

I’ve also stated that if the facts show Zimmerman to be the aggressor and a murder, I hope he gets the death penalty but of course you focus on what you perceive to be negative hatred in support of your sad world view.

I’m going by fact, not emotion.

If you need to look up words I use in order to understand my context, please do so.

My “strong debate skills” are such because I am using facts. It’s not fancy word smithing or logical fallacies, unlike the emotionally driven but literally incorrect opinions flying around.[/quote]

My attempt in this thread is to debate the goings on of this case, not to villify it’s posters with insults. However…you insinuating that I do not understand the words you are using IS an insult.

I believe most of us in this thread are going by the “FACTS” that we know to be true so far. I’m not saying Tray was a Saint, but I believe in this situation the shooting wasn’t justified. And I also believe race played a factor. So you can continue to insult my reading comprehension and my understanding of words and what not. With that type of silly attitude I can’t even believe I bothered to pay you a compliment.

I already graduated college I have no need for further reading to "Grasp’ your context.[/quote]
Then you would know what I wrote is not a “hurtful” comment perpetuating the bullshit racist conjecture and would never have insultingly implied so.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I didn’t dance around anything. there is no blanket statement you can make about either race. You are wrong to do so. Every individual has different personal experience. Period.[/quote]

Wait…so NOW we are individuals again?

LOL

Dude, seriously, you really can’t see the problem with what you are saying? If I am an individual, then why I am being harassed because some other black guy did something who ONLY matches me because of skin color?

I mean, that IS what we are arguing here.

If the practices of racial profiling are causing this much of a rift in racial relationships…to the point that people will straight up deny that it happens…even WHILE it is happening…why wouldn’t you listen to the people targeted most?

You really think my opinion, dealing with this through my own experiences, mean nothing?

You have several black people on this board all saying the same thing…so we are all crazy?[/quote]

Has the police department actually released an official copy of their profile? I haven’t seen one, and if they haven’t, then how do we know that the only way Trayvon matched the profile is his skin color? I am not denying that racial profiling exists and is not uncommon, but I need more than a biased media report that the only thing that the profile had on it was “black people did it” before I will agree that this is a case of racial profiling instead of a legitimate profile of a group of burglars who happen to be black. If the burglars were indeed black, and according to eyewitnesses they were, then including their race is important to include in the profile since it reduces the suspect pool for the investigating officer. If it has been verified by eyewitnesses, and it was, then it would make no sense for the investigating officer to be looking into Asians or Hispanics or white people as suspects. And before anyone jumps down my throat here, this has nothing to do with Zimmerman being right or wrong in chasing after Trayvon. I have made my opinion on that well known. I am trying to figure out if this is actually a case of racial profiling.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
LOL ok you win…Gorge Killerman (how’s that? maybe not insulting enough?)[/quote]

HAHAHA!! No you win. I’ll call him Killerman from now on.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
…was a highly trained killing machine, weighing in at a lean, mean 220. He killed Trayvon and then inflicted the injuries on himself to make it look like a fair fight. [/quote]

Hahahahahaha!!

This is likely. There’re actually conspiracy theories out there that suggest his ‘‘injuries’’ may have been self inflicted.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
I mean, I agree with most of what you have to say, but it just seems like you are willfully ignoring some facts. When you say stuff like “There’s no way Trayvon knocked George down with one punch” it just makes me think you’ve never been in a fight or had any experience in those kind of matters.

Hell yeah a good punch will knock somebody down…probably not knock them unconscious, but knock them off-balance and to the ground. Did Trayvon hit him first? Nobody knows, but if he did and Zimmerman wasn’t expecting it, George would have found himself on the floor. [/quote]

Big fighter here. Martial Artist. over 15 years of experience in that field. I’ve brawled with men and women alike. I know what a powerful punch feels like. I agree with you that a well connected punch to the face will knock someone off balance. But in this situation Killerman outweighed Martin by 100 more pounds. And I take the point Tray was more athletic than him. Was that enough to propel Killerman to the ground? Shook him a little, perhaps, but caused him to hit the canvas? We don’t know.

But let’s say that happened. For a big guy with a history of violent behaviour, and with adrenaline pumping through his veins after chasing and cornering the boy, Killerman must’ve been one weak motherfucker. No wonder carrying a gun gave him that extra bit of courage.

Anyway, as you said, and that was originally my main point in my other post, there’s no proof that Trayvon threw the first punch. There are no proof of broken nose or bashed up back of the head so far. We only go with what Killerman had stated, although other witnesses 'accounts contradict him. ie: his neighbour, Mary - now shut down – recalling seeing him on top of Trayvon that night.

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I’m so glad to see you refer to certain conjecture as a conspiracy. Honestly.

It doesn’t matter how big a boy Zimmerman is, a chin is a chin. A sucker punch would drop anyone if placed right and you don’t have to be huge to generate enough force for knock out power, and certainly not huge to generate enough to disorient and knock some one down.

Mary is pretty shady. I think her testimony should be tossed. She clearly isn’t reliable one way or the other.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I posted the link to the Amadou Diallo shooting…which was a death caused because, being black, he fit the description…despite not even being from this country and SELF IDENTIFYING as non-American.
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That he fit some description of an actual seriel rapist caused him to be confronted/questioned by the 4 officers. What is wrong with that?

The ensuing shooting is a different story… I have no idea whether the officers lied about the events that took place or not. Might be you’re right and they are a bunch of racist assholes who shot him because he was black or whatever. But that is not at all provable fact from what I know of the case. Could well be you know something I don’t, as I didn’t hear about it back when it happened and am just catching up because you brought it up.

I’ve been in several situations involving odd behaviour by civilians that looked threatening to me and/or others at the time and caused armed response… IF the cops were telling the truth about mistaking the purse for a gun then I’d have reacted the same. The number of shots fired as you mentioned in your other post on the subject is not the critical issue either, it is entirely reasonable IF they weren’t lying. Though it could even be seen as supporting the officers’ statements.

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When blacks have to worry about dying by the hands of those chosen to protect, it is NOTHING
[/quote] Are U.S. police there to protect citizens, or are they there to enforce the law?

Not that it matters either way… Do you really have to worry about being shot by them? That point is still something I’m undecided on… I don’t deny that there have been racially motivated murders involving LE and others of course…

[quote]

like worrying about getting shot by some random gang member.

The Police are a way bigger and more powerful “gang”.

But, of course, seeing as I said this…it will likely get brushed off as irrelevant despite the fact that I doubt most white people fear for their life if they get pulled over by a cop.[/quote]
But we might fear for our lives if we encounter people who appear as gang members or whatever… Rational/right or not.

Anyway… I feel nervous as hell every time I am stopped by the police in my own country (who are usually white, just as I am… Or outside the country, where the police often looks little different than the actual enemy) even though I know I’ve done nothing wrong… In part because I know well how such situations can go wrong due to completely innocent gestures on both sides…

Hell, I have had to watch my back with a lot of my own so-called allies at work out of the country a good bit because there is absolutely no way to tell what side they are really on. Some of these people want me dead just for not living according to Sharia law or whatever other crazy reasoning they can come up with. You can’t even reasonably assume a civilian looking kid here is truly that. Some of them explode. That stuff can really mess with your head.

I can symphatize with you at least somewhat. But it just seems to me that you could be a lot more reasonable in this discussion, which would greatly help get your point across and heard without so much confrontation ensuing. Simply bringing Amadou Diallo up stating as fact that he was shot because he was black when that is not at all established is exactly what is going to get people to rightfully argue against you. Why do it that way?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You have several black people on this board all saying the same thing…so we are all crazy?[/quote]

Look, are cops not supposed to give the race of suspects?

So if a short, bald, WHITE, weightlifter rapes someone at your gym, they should have to question you?

Picture related.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

When blacks have to worry about dying by the hands of those chosen to protect, it is NOTHING like worrying about getting shot by some random gang member.

The Police are a way bigger and more powerful “gang”.

But, of course, seeing as I said this…it will likely get brushed off as irrelevant despite the fact that I doubt most white people fear for their life if they get pulled over by a cop.[/quote]

White people are murdered WAY more often by Black people than Black people are murdered by cops. There is no denying that.

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Once again, wouldn’t “getting murdered by cops” be a worse social experience been being murdered by a “criminal”?[/quote]
Murder is murder.

The linked but ignored case of two blacks throwing gasoline on an innocent white person and burning him to death for being white is certainly a pretty fucking negative social experience.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.[/quote]

Please guy. YOu wanna read that deep into sarcasm you can if you want to. What you don’t realize is some of the hateful comments you have spewed support a “sad world view” Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on.

I do respect your debating power, for it is strong…but gimme a break with that comment.[/quote]
Hateful comments?

What I said was “given what we know, I would’ve shot Trayvon too” and I would have, if I were George. In reality if Trayvon had punched me I would have broken his jaw but in fat putz George’s situation I’d have shot so you can hold my statement for what it was.

What we know, and the context of my comment, is that according to evidence, Trayvon attacked George for asking him a question and was severely beating him.

I did not consider conjecture when making my statement, and won’t consider it now. I made my comment based on facts available.

I’ve also stated that if the facts show Zimmerman to be the aggressor and a murder, I hope he gets the death penalty but of course you focus on what you perceive to be negative hatred in support of your sad world view.

I’m going by fact, not emotion.

If you need to look up words I use in order to understand my context, please do so.

My “strong debate skills” are such because I am using facts. It’s not fancy word smithing or logical fallacies, unlike the emotionally driven but literally incorrect opinions flying around.[/quote]

My attempt in this thread is to debate the goings on of this case, not to villify it’s posters with insults. However…you insinuating that I do not understand the words you are using IS an insult.

I believe most of us in this thread are going by the “FACTS” that we know to be true so far. I’m not saying Tray was a Saint, but I believe in this situation the shooting wasn’t justified. And I also believe race played a factor. So you can continue to insult my reading comprehension and my understanding of words and what not. With that type of silly attitude I can’t even believe I bothered to pay you a compliment.

I already graduated college I have no need for further reading to "Grasp’ your context.[/quote]
Then you would know what I wrote is not a “hurtful” comment perpetuating the bullshit racist conjecture and would never have insultingly implied so.[/quote]

Sometimes it’s not what you’re saying, but how you say it. I believe you would’ve gotten much less heat if you used more tact in the statement.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

When blacks have to worry about dying by the hands of those chosen to protect, it is NOTHING like worrying about getting shot by some random gang member.

The Police are a way bigger and more powerful “gang”.

But, of course, seeing as I said this…it will likely get brushed off as irrelevant despite the fact that I doubt most white people fear for their life if they get pulled over by a cop.[/quote]

White people are murdered WAY more often by Black people than Black people are murdered by cops. There is no denying that.

[/quote]

Once again, wouldn’t “getting murdered by cops” be a worse social experience been being murdered by a “criminal”?[/quote]
I am pretty sure the murdered person doesn’t give a fuck who killed them… you know, because they are dead! Quit acting the fool and recognize that if a white person acted half as bad about black people as you do about cops, we would never hear the end of what a vile racist they were.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I didn’t dance around anything. there is no blanket statement you can make about either race. You are wrong to do so. Every individual has different personal experience. Period.[/quote]

Wait…so NOW we are individuals again?

LOL

Dude, seriously, you really can’t see the problem with what you are saying? If I am an individual, then why I am being harassed because some other black guy did something who ONLY matches me because of skin color?

I mean, that IS what we are arguing here.

If the practices of racial profiling are causing this much of a rift in racial relationships…to the point that people will straight up deny that it happens…even WHILE it is happening…why wouldn’t you listen to the people targeted most?

You really think my opinion, dealing with this through my own experiences, mean nothing?

You have several black people on this board all saying the same thing…so we are all crazy?[/quote]
More black people on this board have remained completely silent. Hard to know what they think either way but…

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You have several black people on this board all saying the same thing…so we are all crazy?[/quote]

Look, are cops not supposed to give the race of suspects?

So if a short, bald, WHITE, weightlifter rapes someone at your gym, they should have to question you?

Picture related.

[/quote]

A little deductive reasoning comes into play I believe. Just because one particular race has been commiting a spree of crimes in the area doesn’t automatically make every race in that area guilty. Cause for heightened attention, maybe. But why did’nt he let the cops show up and sort that out? And around and around we go back to the original point.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.[/quote]

Please guy. YOu wanna read that deep into sarcasm you can if you want to. What you don’t realize is some of the hateful comments you have spewed support a “sad world view” Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on.

I do respect your debating power, for it is strong…but gimme a break with that comment.[/quote]
Hateful comments?

What I said was “given what we know, I would’ve shot Trayvon too” and I would have, if I were George. In reality if Trayvon had punched me I would have broken his jaw but in fat putz George’s situation I’d have shot so you can hold my statement for what it was.

What we know, and the context of my comment, is that according to evidence, Trayvon attacked George for asking him a question and was severely beating him.

I did not consider conjecture when making my statement, and won’t consider it now. I made my comment based on facts available.

I’ve also stated that if the facts show Zimmerman to be the aggressor and a murder, I hope he gets the death penalty but of course you focus on what you perceive to be negative hatred in support of your sad world view.

I’m going by fact, not emotion.

If you need to look up words I use in order to understand my context, please do so.

My “strong debate skills” are such because I am using facts. It’s not fancy word smithing or logical fallacies, unlike the emotionally driven but literally incorrect opinions flying around.[/quote]

My attempt in this thread is to debate the goings on of this case, not to villify it’s posters with insults. However…you insinuating that I do not understand the words you are using IS an insult.

I believe most of us in this thread are going by the “FACTS” that we know to be true so far. I’m not saying Tray was a Saint, but I believe in this situation the shooting wasn’t justified. And I also believe race played a factor. So you can continue to insult my reading comprehension and my understanding of words and what not. With that type of silly attitude I can’t even believe I bothered to pay you a compliment.

I already graduated college I have no need for further reading to "Grasp’ your context.[/quote]
Then you would know what I wrote is not a “hurtful” comment perpetuating the bullshit racist conjecture and would never have insultingly implied so.[/quote]

Sometimes it’s not what you’re saying, but how you say it. I believe you would’ve gotten much less heat if you used more tact in the statement.[/quote]
Tact?

“Given what we know, if ____________ and if _________ and ___________ and ____________ and ________ … I would’ve shot Trayvon too.”

Please. People would’ve shifted their unfounded emotion to my comment regardless of how wordy I made it. It was as objective a comment as could be.

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This is quite the hot topic.

A question for both camps:

What if video footage surfaces that absolutely confirms Zimmerman’s side of the story?

The boy’s death is sad, but actual punishment for Z. is more of a sideshow for me.
If only laws could have an ugly, pasty-white face!

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Big fighter here. Martial Artist. over 15 years of experience in that field. I’ve brawled with men and women alike. I know what a powerful punch feels like. I agree with you that a well connected punch to the face will knock someone off balance. But in this situation Killerman outweighed Martin by 100 more pounds. And I take the point Tray was more athletic than him. Was that enough to propel Killerman to the ground? Shook him a little, perhaps, but caused him to hit the canvas? We don’t know.

But let’s say that happened. For a big guy with a history of violent behaviour, and with adrenaline pumping through his veins after chasing and cornering the boy, Killerman must’ve been one weak motherfucker. No wonder carrying a gun gave him that extra bit of courage.

Anyway, as you said, and that was originally my main point in my other post, there’s no proof that Trayvon threw the first punch. There are no proof of broken nose or bashed up back of the head so far. We only go with what Killerman had stated, although other witnesses 'accounts contradict him. ie: his neighbour, Mary - now shut down – recalling seeing him on top of Trayvon that night.
[/quote]

Forgive me for being presumptuous…I had no idea that you had extensive fighting experience.

I probably agree with you on most aspects of this case, but I’m sorry, I just can’t imagine someone inflicting that kind of damage on themselves. It is considerably more likely that his injuries were the result of the scuffle between the two. Is it possible that Zimmerman did that to cover for himself? Yes…but IMO highly unlikely.

I definitely think Zimmerman was a weak motherfucker, but carrying a gun will make anyone feel 7 feet tall. In any case, I think we agree that it would have been best had he stayed in the car and let the police do their job. (Maybe he shouldn’t have called them in the first place)

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.[/quote]

Please guy. YOu wanna read that deep into sarcasm you can if you want to. What you don’t realize is some of the hateful comments you have spewed support a “sad world view” Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on.

I do respect your debating power, for it is strong…but gimme a break with that comment.[/quote]
Hateful comments?

What I said was “given what we know, I would’ve shot Trayvon too” and I would have, if I were George. In reality if Trayvon had punched me I would have broken his jaw but in fat putz George’s situation I’d have shot so you can hold my statement for what it was.

What we know, and the context of my comment, is that according to evidence, Trayvon attacked George for asking him a question and was severely beating him.

I did not consider conjecture when making my statement, and won’t consider it now. I made my comment based on facts available.

I’ve also stated that if the facts show Zimmerman to be the aggressor and a murder, I hope he gets the death penalty but of course you focus on what you perceive to be negative hatred in support of your sad world view.

I’m going by fact, not emotion.

If you need to look up words I use in order to understand my context, please do so.

My “strong debate skills” are such because I am using facts. It’s not fancy word smithing or logical fallacies, unlike the emotionally driven but literally incorrect opinions flying around.[/quote]

My attempt in this thread is to debate the goings on of this case, not to villify it’s posters with insults. However…you insinuating that I do not understand the words you are using IS an insult.

I believe most of us in this thread are going by the “FACTS” that we know to be true so far. I’m not saying Tray was a Saint, but I believe in this situation the shooting wasn’t justified. And I also believe race played a factor. So you can continue to insult my reading comprehension and my understanding of words and what not. With that type of silly attitude I can’t even believe I bothered to pay you a compliment.

I already graduated college I have no need for further reading to "Grasp’ your context.[/quote]
Then you would know what I wrote is not a “hurtful” comment perpetuating the bullshit racist conjecture and would never have insultingly implied so.[/quote]

Sometimes it’s not what you’re saying, but how you say it. I believe you would’ve gotten much less heat if you used more tact in the statement.[/quote]
Tact?

“Given what we know, if ____________ and if _________ and ___________ and ____________ and ________ … I would’ve shot Trayvon too.”

Please. People would’ve shifted their unfounded emotion to my comment regardless of how wordy I made it. It was as objective a comment as could be.[/quote]

I disagree. But that’s what we’ve been doing so carry on I suppose.

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[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

When blacks have to worry about dying by the hands of those chosen to protect, it is NOTHING like worrying about getting shot by some random gang member.

The Police are a way bigger and more powerful “gang”.

But, of course, seeing as I said this…it will likely get brushed off as irrelevant despite the fact that I doubt most white people fear for their life if they get pulled over by a cop.[/quote]

White people are murdered WAY more often by Black people than Black people are murdered by cops. There is no denying that.

[/quote]

Once again, wouldn’t “getting murdered by cops” be a worse social experience been being murdered by a “criminal”?[/quote]
I am pretty sure the murdered person doesn’t give a fuck who killed them… you know, because they are dead! Quit acting the fool and recognize that if a white person acted half as bad about black people as you do about cops, we would never hear the end of what a vile racist they were. [/quote]

I used the word “social experience” for a reason…in an attempt to include what it does to society as a whole.

This was clearly lost on you…as it seems much comprehension is. You better stick to the insults.

Yes, losing faith and all trust in those chosen to protect is worse than fearing a criminal when it comes to society as a whole. But, of course you will argue against what I say no matter what.

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[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Big fighter here. Martial Artist. over 15 years of experience in that field. I’ve brawled with men and women alike. I know what a powerful punch feels like. I agree with you that a well connected punch to the face will knock someone off balance. But in this situation Killerman outweighed Martin by 100 more pounds. And I take the point Tray was more athletic than him. Was that enough to propel Killerman to the ground? Shook him a little, perhaps, but caused him to hit the canvas? We don’t know.

But let’s say that happened. For a big guy with a history of violent behaviour, and with adrenaline pumping through his veins after chasing and cornering the boy, Killerman must’ve been one weak motherfucker. No wonder carrying a gun gave him that extra bit of courage.

Anyway, as you said, and that was originally my main point in my other post, there’s no proof that Trayvon threw the first punch. There are no proof of broken nose or bashed up back of the head so far. We only go with what Killerman had stated, although other witnesses 'accounts contradict him. ie: his neighbour, Mary - now shut down – recalling seeing him on top of Trayvon that night.
[/quote]

Forgive me for being presumptuous…I had no idea that you had extensive fighting experience.

I probably agree with you on most aspects of this case, but I’m sorry, I just can’t imagine someone inflicting that kind of damage on themselves. It is considerably more likely that his injuries were the result of the scuffle between the two. Is it possible that Zimmerman did that to cover for himself? Yes…but IMO highly unlikely.

I definitely think Zimmerman was a weak motherfucker, but carrying a gun will make anyone feel 7 feet tall. In any case, I think we agree that it would have been best had he stayed in the car and let the police do their job. (Maybe he shouldn’t have called them in the first place)[/quote]

Thank you for agreeing with what A lot of people have been saying since the begining. I wouldn’t put it past Zimmerman…but I do think it’s more likely that a scuffle took place.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

That he fit some description of an actual seriel rapist caused him to be confronted/questioned by the 4 officers. What is wrong with that?
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The only match I am aware of is “black”. This guy is African.

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The ensuing shooting is a different story… I have no idea whether the officers lied about the events that took place or not. Might be you’re right and they are a bunch of racist assholes who shot him because he was black or whatever. But that is not at all provable fact from what I know of the case. Could well be you know something I don’t, as I didn’t hear about it back when it happened and am just catching up because you brought it up. [/quote]

They shot 41 bullets into an unarmed man and walked.

It wasn’t a purse. It was a man’s wallet that he reached for to show his ID.

41 shots. Yes, that sounds reasonable.

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