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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
2. Does Zimmerman do anything if Martin isn’t black? … And I think that this is what angers blacks the most about the whole thing; the idea that it all stemmed from racial profiling. [/quote]

Couple things:

Racial profiling is going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries . . . lets go question all the black folk.

Rocial profiling is NOT going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries, eyewitnesses saw youngish black men breaking in, all wearing hoodies, let’s be on the look out for youngish black men wearing hoodies who don’t live in the neighborhood.[/quote]

Actually, it is. Why? Because race is part of the profile. It is also racist because it assumes that only young blacks in hoodies are committing, and even capable of committing, those crimes.If you were looking for a particular person and gave race as part of the description that would be different. 911 was committed by men from the ME; let’s be on the lookout for men from the ME. That will work. [/quote]

Nope. You might want to go read the law, perhaps a guidebook for police, before proving yourself an idiot like you just did.

Racial profiling is when you suspect of class of people of criminal behavior because of their race.

Racial profiling is not looking for people who match a suspect’s description.

Big difference.

If a blond white soldier raped someone at a party, blond white soldiers should expect to get questioned from the police. Saw this happen outside Fort Bragg, BTW. All the blond white enlisted who had privileges that weekend were pulled out for ID by partygoers.[/quote]
Either way Zimmerman saw somebody matching suspect descriptions, so…

Edit: deleted Ghhhhh, at top of quote. Not sure how that happened.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
2. Does Zimmerman do anything if Martin isn’t black? … And I think that this is what angers blacks the most about the whole thing; the idea that it all stemmed from racial profiling. [/quote]

Couple things:

Racial profiling is going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries . . . lets go question all the black folk.

Rocial profiling is NOT going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries, eyewitnesses saw youngish black men breaking in, all wearing hoodies, let’s be on the look out for youngish black men wearing hoodies who don’t live in the neighborhood.[/quote]

Actually, it is. Why? Because race is part of the profile. It is also racist because it assumes that only young blacks in hoodies are committing, and even capable of committing, those crimes.If you were looking for a particular person and gave race as part of the description that would be different. 911 was committed by men from the ME; let’s be on the lookout for men from the ME. That will work. [/quote]

Nope. You might want to go read the law, perhaps a guidebook for police, before proving yourself an idiot like you just did.

Racial profiling is when you suspect of class of people of criminal behavior because of their race.

Racial profiling is not looking for people who match a suspect’s description.

Big difference.

If a blond white soldier raped someone at a party, blond white soldiers should expect to get questioned from the police. Saw this happen outside Fort Bragg, BTW. All the blond white enlisted who had privileges that weekend were pulled out for ID by partygoers.[/quote]
That’s different than all blond white soldiers are suspected rapists, everyday from that point on, and thus are treated as such. You are describing a case that involved the search for a particular individual. Zimmeran was not looking for anyone in particular. Sorry, but you failed.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Zimmeran was not looking for anyone in particular. [/quote]

Actually, he was. There were several unsolved burglaries committed by one or persons fitting Martin’s description.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.[/quote]

Please guy. YOu wanna read that deep into sarcasm you can if you want to. What you don’t realize is some of the hateful comments you have spewed support a “sad world view” Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on.

I do respect your debating power, for it is strong…but gimme a break with that comment.

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Police: Trayvon protesters ransack store

http://www.local10.com/news/Police-Trayvon-protesters-ransack-store/-/1717324/9719674/-/xctonpz/-/index.html

Now, whatever you do, don’t look for black kids as suspects, even though it’s black kids ransacking this store on video and, on occassion, dropping their ID cards.

That’s profiling.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Following and asking questions are not illegal activities whether you like it or not. I’m not going to keep playing broken record with you.
[/quote]
Because Americans don’t have the right to not be followed and questioned by strangers?

If I follow a woman and ask her all sorts of questions about her sex life I’m not breaking any laws, right?

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Zimmeran was not looking for anyone in particular. [/quote]

Actually, he was. There were several unsolved burglaries committed by one or persons fitting Martin’s description.[/quote]
Really? So why didn’t he tell 911 he found one of them?

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on. [/quote]

Sorry, if (if) what Zimmerman says is true, and he was jumped by a person he viewed as a potential burglar, getting his ass beat down to the point other people thought he was going to die, I would have shot Martin, too.

Big “if” there.

That said, I wouldn’t have left my vehicle. It’s a multi-ton weapon and the windshield would turn the average small cal pistol round.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

If I saw a stranger (of any color) following an 8 year old girl (of any color) I wouldn’t like it but I also wouldn’t run up and start attacking, it wouldn’t be justified; not even if he spoke to her.

Now, I would watch, [/quote]
Why? It isn’t a crime.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Zimmeran was not looking for anyone in particular. [/quote]

Actually, he was. There were several unsolved burglaries committed by one or persons fitting Martin’s description.[/quote]
Really? So why didn’t he tell 911 he found one of them? [/quote]

Because he merely found someone meeting the desciption of the perp.

Have you considered what an ass you’ll be if the stolen jewelry Martin had in his possession came from one of those burglaries?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
2. Does Zimmerman do anything if Martin isn’t black? … And I think that this is what angers blacks the most about the whole thing; the idea that it all stemmed from racial profiling. [/quote]

Couple things:

Racial profiling is going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries . . . lets go question all the black folk.

Rocial profiling is NOT going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries, eyewitnesses saw youngish black men breaking in, all wearing hoodies, let’s be on the look out for youngish black men wearing hoodies who don’t live in the neighborhood.[/quote]

Actually, it is. Why? Because race is part of the profile. It is also racist because it assumes that only young blacks in hoodies are committing, and even capable of committing, those crimes.If you were looking for a particular person and gave race as part of the description that would be different. 911 was committed by men from the ME; let’s be on the lookout for men from the ME. That will work. [/quote]

Nope. You might want to go read the law, perhaps a guidebook for police, before proving yourself an idiot like you just did.

Racial profiling is when you suspect of class of people of criminal behavior because of their race.

Racial profiling is not looking for people who match a suspect’s description.

Big difference.

If a blond white soldier raped someone at a party, blond white soldiers should expect to get questioned from the police. Saw this happen outside Fort Bragg, BTW. All the blond white enlisted who had privileges that weekend were pulled out for ID by partygoers.[/quote]
That’s different than all blond white soldiers are suspected rapists, everyday from that point on, and thus are treated as such. You are describing a case that involved the search for a particular individual. Zimmeran was not looking for anyone in particular. Sorry, but you failed. [/quote]

You don’t have to be looking for an individual, especially when the previous crimes weren’t committed by an individual but multiple people, who all happen to have the description of ‘black’ in common. It is 100% legitimate profiling to be suspicious of a black person you don’t recognize in your gated neighborhood, when previous break-ins were committed by black people unrecognized in your gated neighborhood.

I’m sure Trayvon’s father has no problems walking around the community without being followed/harassed/whatever description you wish to input here, because unlike Trayvon, he is recognized as a member of the community and thus doesn’t ‘fit the description’ of prior break-ins.

It really does make sense, and isn’t racial profiling.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.[/quote]

Please guy. YOu wanna read that deep into sarcasm you can if you want to. What you don’t realize is some of the hateful comments you have spewed support a “sad world view” Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on.

I do respect your debating power, for it is strong…but gimme a break with that comment.[/quote]
Hateful comments?

What I said was “given what we know, I would’ve shot Trayvon too” and I would have, if I were George. In reality if Trayvon had punched me I would have broken his jaw but in fat putz George’s situation I’d have shot so you can hold my statement for what it was.

What we know, and the context of my comment, is that according to evidence, Trayvon attacked George for asking him a question and was severely beating him.

I did not consider conjecture when making my statement, and won’t consider it now. I made my comment based on facts available.

I’ve also stated that if the facts show Zimmerman to be the aggressor and a murder, I hope he gets the death penalty but of course you focus on what you perceive to be negative hatred in support of your sad world view.

I’m going by fact, not emotion.

If you need to look up words I use in order to understand my context, please do so.

My “strong debate skills” are such because I am using facts. It’s not fancy word smithing or logical fallacies, unlike the emotionally driven but literally incorrect opinions flying around.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.[/quote]

Please guy. YOu wanna read that deep into sarcasm you can if you want to. What you don’t realize is some of the hateful comments you have spewed support a “sad world view” Saying you would’ve shot the kid yourself and on and on.

I do respect your debating power, for it is strong…but gimme a break with that comment.[/quote]
Also, cut the sarcasm bullshit. Hell, marches with people wearing hoodies are happening around the country, it’s an actual sentiment folk are buying in to.

I would hope you are rational enough to see humor instead of “keeping it real” but given actual sentiments, no kitkat for you.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
2. Does Zimmerman do anything if Martin isn’t black? … And I think that this is what angers blacks the most about the whole thing; the idea that it all stemmed from racial profiling. [/quote]

Couple things:

Racial profiling is going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries . . . lets go question all the black folk.

Rocial profiling is NOT going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries, eyewitnesses saw youngish black men breaking in, all wearing hoodies, let’s be on the look out for youngish black men wearing hoodies who don’t live in the neighborhood.[/quote]

Actually, it is. Why? Because race is part of the profile. It is also racist because it assumes that only young blacks in hoodies are committing, and even capable of committing, those crimes.If you were looking for a particular person and gave race as part of the description that would be different. 911 was committed by men from the ME; let’s be on the lookout for men from the ME. That will work. [/quote]

Nope. You might want to go read the law, perhaps a guidebook for police, before proving yourself an idiot like you just did.

Racial profiling is when you suspect of class of people of criminal behavior because of their race.

Racial profiling is not looking for people who match a suspect’s description.

Big difference.

If a blond white soldier raped someone at a party, blond white soldiers should expect to get questioned from the police. Saw this happen outside Fort Bragg, BTW. All the blond white enlisted who had privileges that weekend were pulled out for ID by partygoers.[/quote]
That’s different than all blond white soldiers are suspected rapists, everyday from that point on, and thus are treated as such. You are describing a case that involved the search for a particular individual. Zimmeran was not looking for anyone in particular. Sorry, but you failed. [/quote]

You don’t have to be looking for an individual, especially when the previous crimes weren’t committed by an individual but multiple people, who all happen to have the description of ‘black’ in common. It is 100% legitimate profiling to be suspicious of a black person you don’t recognize in your gated neighborhood, when previous break-ins were committed by black people unrecognized in your gated neighborhood.

I’m sure Trayvon’s father has no problems walking around the community without being followed/harassed/whatever description you wish to input here, because unlike Trayvon, he is recognized as a member of the community and thus doesn’t ‘fit the description’ of prior break-ins.

It really does make sense, and isn’t racial profiling.[/quote]

LOL.

So…what IS racial profiling?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…what IS racial profiling?[/quote]

“Use by law enforcement personnel of an individualâ??s race or ethnicity as a factor in articulating reasonable suspicion to stop, question or arrest an individual, unless race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime.”

http://www.azag.gov/law_enforcement/racial%20profiling.PDF

Again, if someone saw a 6’10" tall Hispanic or Indian leaving the scene of a crime, it would not be racial profiling for the cops to come and check my alibi because “race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime.”

If they set up a roadblock on Highway 10 looking for Indians to search their cars for peyote being driven to Austin for sale to stupid white college students (a sadly reasonable search in my experience), it would be racial profiling.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
2. Does Zimmerman do anything if Martin isn’t black? … And I think that this is what angers blacks the most about the whole thing; the idea that it all stemmed from racial profiling. [/quote]

Couple things:

Racial profiling is going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries . . . lets go question all the black folk.

Rocial profiling is NOT going, hmmmm, we have some burglaries, eyewitnesses saw youngish black men breaking in, all wearing hoodies, let’s be on the look out for youngish black men wearing hoodies who don’t live in the neighborhood.[/quote]

Actually, it is. Why? Because race is part of the profile. It is also racist because it assumes that only young blacks in hoodies are committing, and even capable of committing, those crimes.If you were looking for a particular person and gave race as part of the description that would be different. 911 was committed by men from the ME; let’s be on the lookout for men from the ME. That will work. [/quote]

Nope. You might want to go read the law, perhaps a guidebook for police, before proving yourself an idiot like you just did.

Racial profiling is when you suspect of class of people of criminal behavior because of their race.

Racial profiling is not looking for people who match a suspect’s description.

Big difference.

If a blond white soldier raped someone at a party, blond white soldiers should expect to get questioned from the police. Saw this happen outside Fort Bragg, BTW. All the blond white enlisted who had privileges that weekend were pulled out for ID by partygoers.[/quote]
That’s different than all blond white soldiers are suspected rapists, everyday from that point on, and thus are treated as such. You are describing a case that involved the search for a particular individual. Zimmeran was not looking for anyone in particular. Sorry, but you failed. [/quote]

You don’t have to be looking for an individual, especially when the previous crimes weren’t committed by an individual but multiple people, who all happen to have the description of ‘black’ in common. It is 100% legitimate profiling to be suspicious of a black person you don’t recognize in your gated neighborhood, when previous break-ins were committed by black people unrecognized in your gated neighborhood.

I’m sure Trayvon’s father has no problems walking around the community without being followed/harassed/whatever description you wish to input here, because unlike Trayvon, he is recognized as a member of the community and thus doesn’t ‘fit the description’ of prior break-ins.

It really does make sense, and isn’t racial profiling.[/quote]

LOL.

So…what IS racial profiling?[/quote]

Using a physical description of a person isn’t racial profiling, it’s called following evidence and logic.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…what IS racial profiling?[/quote]

“Use by law enforcement personnel of an individualâ??s race or ethnicity as a factor in articulating reasonable suspicion to stop, question or arrest an individual, unless race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime.”

http://www.azag.gov/law_enforcement/racial%20profiling.PDF

Again, if someone saw a 6’10" tall Hispanic or Indian leaving the scene of a crime, it would not be racial profiling for the cops to come and check my alibi because “race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime.”

If they set up a roadblock on Highway 10 looking for Indians to search their cars for peyote being driven to Austin for sale to stupid white college students (a sadly reasonable search in my experience), it would be racial profiling.[/quote]

The qualifiers here were “young and black”. I do believe that equals a few million of us at least.

So…again…how is this NOT “racial profiling”?

I posted the link to the Amadou Diallo shooting…which was a death caused because, being black, he fit the description…despite not even being from this country and SELF IDENTIFYING as non-American.

When blacks have to worry about dying by the hands of those chosen to protect, it is NOTHING like worrying about getting shot by some random gang member.

The Police are a way bigger and more powerful “gang”.

But, of course, seeing as I said this…it will likely get brushed off as irrelevant despite the fact that I doubt most white people fear for their life if they get pulled over by a cop.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…what IS racial profiling?[/quote]

“Use by law enforcement personnel of an individualÃ?¢??s race or ethnicity as a factor in articulating reasonable suspicion to stop, question or arrest an individual, unless race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime.”

http://www.azag.gov/law_enforcement/racial%20profiling.PDF

Again, if someone saw a 6’10" tall Hispanic or Indian leaving the scene of a crime, it would not be racial profiling for the cops to come and check my alibi because “race or ethnicity is part of an identifying description of a specific suspect for a specific crime.”

If they set up a roadblock on Highway 10 looking for Indians to search their cars for peyote being driven to Austin for sale to stupid white college students (a sadly reasonable search in my experience), it would be racial profiling.[/quote]

The qualifiers here were “young and black”. I do believe that equals a few million of us at least.

So…again…how is this NOT “racial profiling”?

I posted the link to the Amadou Diallo shooting…which was a death caused because, being black, he fit the description…despite not even being from this country and SELF IDENTIFYING as non-American.

When blacks have to worry about dying by the hands of those chosen to protect, it is NOTHING like worrying about getting shot by some random gang member.

The Police are a way bigger and more powerful “gang”.

But, of course, seeing as I said this…it will likely get brushed off as irrelevant despite the fact that I doubt most white people fear for their life if they get pulled over by a cop.[/quote]

You’d be wrong in your racial stereotyping assumptions. As usual.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Using a physical description of a person isn’t racial profiling, it’s called following evidence and logic.
[/quote]

You know, a physical description is “height, weight, hair style, clothing, and finally skin color”.

A physical description is not “black”…uh, walking…in the rain".

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

You’d be wrong in your racial stereotyping assumptions. As usual.
[/quote]

Ok…so if I am wrong…you are saying most white people fear for their life when pulled over by a cop?