Black Teen Shot 2

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
‘Back toward the SUV’ implies that Zimmerman walked a ways from his car and then walked back, which is what Zimmerman claims, but does not mean it is factual. If Zimmerman got out to confront Martin who was relatively near the SUV then no back tracking is necessary. Where Martin’s was found does not indicate the movement of Zimmerman and from what the police work has appeared to be to this point, I would guess that they did not look for foot tracks on the ground to corroborate Zimmerman’s account of the incident.

Memory is a tricky thing, and returning to his car may have meant nothing more than turning his head or even having the intention to turn around. If he got a broken nose and other head injuries then there is a good chance his memory is not real clear of what happened just before or after everything went down. I am suggesting that Zimmerman is intentionally lying, but he made very well be filling in holes in his memory to make sense of the event.[/quote]

Interestesting speculation, but the burden remains on the prosecution to provide evidence.

I don’t see any, and given how quick the cops were to release, they didn’t either.[/quote]

You know, the early news reports made it seem like Zimmerman was released at the scene and did not seek medical care at all, but in a few of the recent articles posted here, it is said that Zimmerman was “checked out” (I assume they meant by the medical personnel at the scene) and was cleared to be taken in for questioning, which he was. He was only released after being questioned and his story checked out with the evidence and it was determined they did not have enough to arrest him.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
I cringe everytime I read “Zimmercunt” or “Zimmmerfuck”…there’s no better pun you could come up with? [/quote]

Lol.

Meh, it’s quite understandable. The people who will mostly cringe are Zimmertwat’s supporters.

I won’t carry a torch for a remorseless kid killer.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
…that guy was… untrained fuck [/quote]

Prove it.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
…who would have lost in a fight to Trayvon 10 times out of 10. [/quote]

Prove it.[/quote]
He doesn’t need to prove any of it, it’s all totally irrelevant.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Poor analogy.
A better one would be “that’s like being chased and cornered by a barking dog, and suddenly the dog is distracted by a noise and turns away momentarily…”[/quote]

Turns away momentarily?

If Zimmerman was walking back to his car without having you in his line of sight… it is SMARTER to use the night and rain to your advantage and run the 200 feet to your house than it is to try and play commando.

Who the fuck charges someone with a gun when they are walking away and your house is a fraction of a minute’s run down the road?

Yes, bullets are faster than you… but they hit you even quicker and more reliably when you are two feet away instead of 200.[/quote]

Right? The best marksmen in the world would be hard pressed to hit a sprinting target at 200 feet in the rain with a 9mm pistol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
The tricky part is it can be reasonably argued that both were.
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It’s only “tricky.” If you don’t understand the law. It is irrelevant whether the Black guy’s acts were legally justified or not. All that matters is if the Hispanic guy’s actions are legally justified.[/quote]

Not the way I had it explained to me by a cop. If you hold a hair brush where the handle looks like a gun, the person who feels threatened is legally threatened whether or not the person is actually at risk. If Martin felt threatened, then following that logic, Zimmerman started the whole mess and his claim of self-defense does not hold water. I think it is this point that is being overlooked. It is not just who punched who first. It is who threatened first. Again, this is how a cop explained it to me.[/quote]

That was why I mentioned if the gun was visible. People seem uninterested in this important fact. All of the actions committed on both parts make sense if that gun was seen as a threat in itself first.
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It also makes sense that a gang affiliated teen with a history of attacking authority figures would attack Zimmerman and then a shot in self defense took place. And evidence supports the latter.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Two guys pumped up on adrenaline facing each other… one turns away momentarily. Damn right one will attack the other. How unrealistic is that? [/quote]

I’m not suggesting it is unrealistic – clearly, this happened in reality.

I am suggesting that it is not nearly as smart a move as some of the people attempting to justify it seem to think it is… particularly when your house is only 70 yards away.

If Martin knew that Zimmerman was armed with a gun, and decided to jump him instead of making his escape with the advantage of a) the night, b) the rain and c) his house being so damn close… then he went full retard. Adrenaline or not.

As we saw, all it takes is one shot to kill you.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

I agree. How the fuck can you conclude that someone following through with these actions is non threatening???[/quote]

Well, he isn’t young, black or hooded…[/quote]

Oh!!! That’s what I was missing![/quote]
We’re in deep, silly territory now for sure. What ever helps you guys sleep at night. Sucks you have to make shit up to support such a sad world view.

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[quote]L.S. wrote:

I have seen far better examples in europe, though that is just MHO. and I totally agree with you about the media making it a race issue. welcome to the media.

I am not white. I have been discriminated against. also, I think you’re contributing to the problem by making the entire ordeal about a white guy shooting a black dude, instead of a overzealous neighborhood watchmen starting a confrontation with a kid and a gun coming into play.

your emotions play though your post and you are VERY angry and accusing. had I been white, and made the accusations you are making toward me right now, I would be labeled as racist. I feel discriminated against by YOU in this post because of your attitude.

Also, I think you’re racist.

I won’t continue this conversation with you because I will not support this kind of mentality.

Have a nice day :slight_smile:

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Hahaha!! Well thank you for making me laugh so hard.

You feel discriminated against by me. LMFAO!! Just for suggesting that you probably never been discriminated against and assuming you were white? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!! That’s the most pile of bullshit I ever read in my life.

And, I’m a racist for pointing out racism/racial profiling in a murder. This sounds nothing new to me, buddy. In other boards, any black person who brings up Zimmerman racial profiling and racial slur is jumped on by others and called a racist. LOL!! The racial profiling/racial slurs are facts that will not be ignored in a court room - IF Zimmerman is ever arrested – why should we put that aside? To make some people happy because racial profiling is dead?

Hell, Even Prof X has been called a racist by posters in this place and his points were more sensible than mine. Damn!

Blacks just can’t win. Lol.

G’day to you too.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

One more point…unless Zimmerman attacking an officer is now relevant, the act of trying to dig up all dirt on Trayvon unrelated to this is a tad over the top. [/quote]

As I said earlier, the right wingers can’t stand that a shot young black guy has no criminal record. All blacks are criminals after all. The right wingers will go dig deep to find anything to incriminate the dead boy. Anything to justify his murderer’s action. Anything to proove Zimms was feeling threatened that night. I bet had Trayvon really been a drug dealer/ gang member they’d been congratulating his killer even more.

The fucker with a history of cop battery and domestic violence, a loose canon as described by his neighbours, is seen as a fucking hero and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

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And sillier we go. At least pretend to exercise reading comprehension.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

One more point…unless Zimmerman attacking an officer is now relevant, the act of trying to dig up all dirt on Trayvon unrelated to this is a tad over the top. [/quote]

As I said earlier, the right wingers can’t stand that a shot young black guy has no criminal record. All blacks are criminals after all. The right wingers will go dig deep to find anything to incriminate the dead boy. Anything to justify his murderer’s action. Anything to proove Zimms was feeling threatened that night. I bet had Trayvon really been a drug dealer/ gang member they’d been congratulating his killer even more.

The fucker with a history of cop battery and domestic violence, a loose canon as described by his neighbours, is seen as a fucking hero and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

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The kid was sent home for an “empty bag of weed residue”…which means a bag that smelled like weed. Zimmerman attacked an officer…and the same department that didn’t arrest a cop’s kid for beating up a black man let him slide.[/quote]
Oh that’s right, the fight the black man lost conveniently painted as a racial beating to build more paranoia around some bullshit red herring used to further Al Sharptons agendas instead of the real issue, murder vs. self defense.

I still want the details on that case. Given my reasonable faith in the legal due process, I’m willing to bet there was a mutual fight the black guy simply lost. I could only speculate who started it though…

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Poor analogy.
A better one would be “that’s like being chased and cornered by a barking dog, and suddenly the dog is distracted by a noise and turns away momentarily…”[/quote]

Turns away momentarily?

If Zimmerman was walking back to his car without having you in his line of sight… it is SMARTER to use the night and rain to your advantage and run the 200 feet to your house than it is to try and play commando.

Who the fuck charges someone with a gun when they are walking away and your house is a fraction of a minute’s run down the road?

Yes, bullets are faster than you… but they hit you even quicker and more reliably when you are two feet away instead of 200.[/quote]

Two guys pumped up on adrenaline facing each other… one turns away momentarily. Damn right one will attack the other. How unrealistic is that?
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And there we have, Trayvon carrying the responsibility for escalating the situation to violence.[/quote]
And Zimmerman creating the situation in the first place, by choice, not because he had to.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Not only that…THIS IS A GATED COMMUNITY. Even if he walks back to the car, the kid is still trapped by a man he KNOWS was chasing him…and he may have even known about the gun at that time.

I just don’t see how walking back to the car means “safety” for the kid when the kid still had to make it home and he was trapped inside.[/quote]

His father’s fiancee lives in that gated community. Trayvon died about 200 feet from her house.

If you see someone who was chasing you walking back to their car, and you are a young athlete, it makes no sense to NOT sprint that 200 feet and call the cops from your house… unless you want to physically escalate the situation. Which would make you the aggressor.[/quote]

Also…once again, BULLETS ARE FASTER THAN YOU…so if that gun was known before hand, it makes sense.[/quote]
There is no fucking way you would bum rush a dude approaching you in a menacing manner with a drawn weapon.

You are realllly reaching here. And if an armed guy was turning and walking the other way, jumping back in to the fray (if there even was an issue, which is unlikely) would just be plain retarded.

No intelligent human could honestly rationalize attacking a retreating, armed person.I mean shit, not only would this be a case of self defense, Martin would be a highly likely candidate for a Darwin Award.

And, if Trayvon was so scared on the phone with a girlfriend, it is certainly reasonable to think that if he had seen a gun he would have mentioned it in their oh so convincing conversation of Zimmermans “aggression”.

Funny, that tidbit never came about.

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[quote]JLD2k3 wrote:

I can vouch that GZ is one of the least athletically gifted people I have ever encountered in my life. Last time I saw him he was tiny and weak. Since then he’s gotten really fat. [/quote]

Okay I give you that.

However being athletically gifted doesn’t mean that’ll stop you beating a cop or pushing/beating your girlfriend. Was it around that time you last saw him? Did he turn so fat that he couldn’t throw a punch at all?

Prof X also said his friend said he lost a good 50 pounds. So the police also took his weight wrong that night? But it doesn’t matter anyway. 'cos there’s no proof that Martin was on top of Zimms on that night. The only witness who saw that fucker on top of Martin has been shut down.

[quote]JLD2k3 wrote:
I don’t see any GZ supporters out there. I only see people who are waiting for the facts to bear out and those who have already tried and convicted him.[/quote]

And what I see are people justifying Zimmerman’s murder and people who don’t.

But hey, we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
What video games have you been playing?[/quote]

“Blame Whitey For All Your Troubles” by Rev. Jeremiah Alvesta Wright, Jr.

It’s part of the “Race Shakedown and Denial” series by Bigotcons Software, Inc.

For amusement: Zimmerman was a registered democrat.

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[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
‘‘Hispanic’’ is not a race. Zimmerman is white.[/quote]
Only in America can a Hispanic shoot an African American and white people get blamed.

It’s all Whitey’s fault![/quote]
Ok, I lol’d.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Poor analogy.
A better one would be “that’s like being chased and cornered by a barking dog, and suddenly the dog is distracted by a noise and turns away momentarily…”[/quote]

Turns away momentarily?

If Zimmerman was walking back to his car without having you in his line of sight… it is SMARTER to use the night and rain to your advantage and run the 200 feet to your house than it is to try and play commando.

Who the fuck charges someone with a gun when they are walking away and your house is a fraction of a minute’s run down the road?

Yes, bullets are faster than you… but they hit you even quicker and more reliably when you are two feet away instead of 200.[/quote]

Two guys pumped up on adrenaline facing each other… one turns away momentarily. Damn right one will attack the other. How unrealistic is that?
[/quote]
And there we have, Trayvon carrying the responsibility for escalating the situation to violence.[/quote]
And Zimmerman creating the situation in the first place, by choice, not because he had to. [/quote]

Yep. Advised to stand down by 911 dispatchers, but chose to pursue and engage the “suspect”.

Guaranteed, if Zimmerman is ever brought before a jury, the prosecution will be hammering that point HARD.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Poor analogy.
A better one would be “that’s like being chased and cornered by a barking dog, and suddenly the dog is distracted by a noise and turns away momentarily…”[/quote]

Turns away momentarily?

If Zimmerman was walking back to his car without having you in his line of sight… it is SMARTER to use the night and rain to your advantage and run the 200 feet to your house than it is to try and play commando.

Who the fuck charges someone with a gun when they are walking away and your house is a fraction of a minute’s run down the road?

Yes, bullets are faster than you… but they hit you even quicker and more reliably when you are two feet away instead of 200.[/quote]
Yeah, the better analogy would be a dog barked at you (for being suspicious in it’s territory), calmed down enough to retreat and as it was walking away you ran up and slapped it on the ass, turning the the situation physical. Crying foul when you get bit is pretty fucking illogical.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

One more point…unless Zimmerman attacking an officer is now relevant, the act of trying to dig up all dirt on Trayvon unrelated to this is a tad over the top. [/quote]

As I said earlier, the right wingers can’t stand that a shot young black guy has no criminal record. All blacks are criminals after all. The right wingers will go dig deep to find anything to incriminate the dead boy. Anything to justify his murderer’s action. Anything to proove Zimms was feeling threatened that night. I bet had Trayvon really been a drug dealer/ gang member they’d been congratulating his killer even more.

The fucker with a history of cop battery and domestic violence, a loose canon as described by his neighbours, is seen as a fucking hero and should be given the benefit of the doubt.

[/quote]

The kid was sent home for an “empty bag of weed residue”…which means a bag that smelled like weed. Zimmerman attacked an officer…and the same department that didn’t arrest a cop’s kid for beating up a black man let him slide.[/quote]

Sad state of affairs indeed.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
It also makes sense that a gang affiliated teen with a history of attacking authority figures would attack Zimmerman and then a shot in self defense took place. And evidence supports the latter.[/quote]

Not to mention Martin was previously caught with burglary tools and stolen female jewelry.

People need to look up what “racial profiling” actually is. It doesn’t mean “suspicious of a person because he or she fits the description of a known perp.”

For example, if people saw a very tall Indian commit a burglary and I was unexpectedly in the area, I’d expect to be questioned.

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[quote]L.S. wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]L.S. wrote:
IMHO, the amount of people shouting hate crime is disturbing. visit europe to see how different nationalities can get along with half the drama. its an entirely different social context than here. [/quote]

Fucking Wrong.

I visit Europe all the time. I spent over ten years of my life there. I have relatives there and friends of different nationalities and minorities, from Africans, Asians to Arabs. No. It is not all rosy between races as you assume. So stop talking bullshit. Tell me, what do you think of race discrimination in France, Germany or Spain? Remember the Paris riots? Or, what about racial tension between Pakistani and British people in northern parts of England?

[quote]L.S. wrote:
Whats funny is the difference is made by the people who feel like they are being “discriminated against” because of their color. in other words, the people who shout “hate crime!” are usually the ones who are the most racist, eager to jump the race card. [/quote]

Ah well, you’ve probably never been discriminated against in his life. So what do you know, eh? You’re white. Right?

‘‘Race card’’, ‘‘Chip on the shoulder’’. Anything new to add? Pointing out racism when it is clearly there is now sign of being a racist?? LOL. ‘‘Reverse Racism’’, my fucking ass. Zimmerman is a racist asshole. There are facts out there that prove it and are obviously ignored. But blacks should not mention it because that’d make some people uncomfortable.

[quote]L.S. wrote:
white people shoot mexicans shoot black people shoot indians every day. google turned up five multi-race murders since this story has been out, including one of another student shot, but the other way around.

Sometimes, its only becomes race-related because YOU make it race related. [/quote]

It was race- related from the start.

Do you remember the first thread’s title? Remember the media constantly bringing up Zimmercunt’s race when the story came out? Did you fucking blame the media for mentioning it? Did you blame the blacks too?

Did you ignore Zimms calling the boy a fucking goon? Did you ignore his racial profiling? Oh yeah, Zimmerman calling the cops and reporting Trayvon Martin, following him around when instructed not to HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE IN THE FIRST PLACE.[/quote]

Goon is not a racial term. Never has been and certainly isn’t now just because you want to force a racial agenda on this case.

The only evidence to racial profiling was that Zimmerman allegedly used a racial slur while giving chase, which was debunked.

This is not a case of racism. You are playing the race card because of an irrational chip on your shoulder when you should be happy to be wrong here.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
It also makes sense that a gang affiliated teen with a history of attacking authority figures would attack Zimmerman and then a shot in self defense took place. And evidence supports the latter.[/quote]

Not to mention Martin was previously caught with burglary tools and stolen female jewelry.

People need to look up what “racial profiling” actually is. It doesn’t mean “suspicious of a person because he or she fits the description of a known perp.”

For example, if people saw a very tall Indian commit a burglary and I was unexpectedly in the area, I’d expect to be questioned.[/quote]

Or if I see a stray dog breaking into my garbage cans, I’m sure as shit not going to be looking for an elephant.