[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also…lol at “opening unlocked cars looking for cigarettes”.
yeah, we call that “theft”.[/quote]
So the fact that he was stealing out of cars suddenly makes a difference in the question of “should a grown man gun down an unarmed 17 year old?”
This kid was drug tested. It would take a regular pot user a month to get rid of the drugs in the system. That means none of that has any relevance to this case nor does it prove he ever even smoked weed himself. An empty baggy with residue was found on him and they have a no tolerance policy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This kid was drug tested. It would take a regular pot user a month to get rid of the drugs in the system. That means none of that has any relevance to this case nor does it prove he ever even smoked weed himself. An empty baggy with residue was found on him and they have a no tolerance policy.[/quote]
Hell, I once got 3 days suspension for drawing a fucking picture… because you know, art’s so damn dangerous and shit.
lol
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Carrying a gun may be a right but it also carries with it responsibility. You carry a gun to protect yourself from the unavoidable not to give yourself the courage to engage in behavior that you wouldn’t have done otherwise. Combine that with an attitude about race that leads you to profile and you have what we have here. A normal person who carries a gun does whatever he has to within reason to avoid a situation in which he may end up using it. [/quote]
Excellent post.[/quote]
A normal person lives his normal life the way he normally would, gun or no gun.
A normal neighborhood watch captain watches the neighborhood and investigates what he deems suspicious activity as his perception was voted to be the watch by said neighborhood, including black neighbors who are on record in support of Zimmerman.
A neighborhood watch captain who asks for identification from an unrecognized visitor as would be normally expected and who is ultimately attacked would be in his rights to shoot.
Normal people don’t alter their lives and revert to living in the shadows simply because they have a gun.
[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also…lol at “opening unlocked cars looking for cigarettes”.
yeah, we call that “theft”.[/quote]
So the fact that he was stealing out of cars suddenly makes a difference in the question of “should a grown man gun down an unarmed 17 year old?” [/quote]
It means the kid was definitely breaking the law beforehand. Yes, that does change whether someone feels threatened…BY A CRIMINAL.
It also wasn’t just one kid. According to what I’ve read, they threatened the man’s life and…mind you, they spent over 20 hours deliberating so this wasn’t some “drive through” trial process.
You seemed to be making an issue about it not being in the news as if race alone was the issue…to which I just informed you of the other white on black crime in that same city that was NOT on the news…and that one lead to the firing of the previous police chief.
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Ooook i was wondering wtf REMf was about. I assume (assume makes and ass out of you and me) that is an big insult for someone that was in the army?[/quote]
It’s what people in combat arms positions call everyone else in basically every military, even non-English speaking ones.
I’ve never understood the derision for combat arms people like ThirdRuffian vs. support personnel like Prof. X. The two depend on each other.
For the record, in the IDF, I was a combat engineer, and thus theoretically what-would-be-called-a REMF, but I ended sleeping in culverts, under football fields, and in mosque prayer towers in Judea and other locations approving JDAM or other strikes and getting in firefights.
Toxicology report is still pending.
I can guarantee you right now it’s going to come back positive. What are you going to say then?
[quote]overstand wrote:
It’s used as an insult when someone tries to claim military experience. Sort of like when somebody claims to be a doctor when they are really only a dentist.[/quote]
Dentists are doctors, man. I assume you are referring to MD’s. Just because someone uses the title “Doctor” doesn’t mean that they are claiming to be an MD. A DDS is a relatively difficult degree to get, which is just one of the reasons individuals who obtain one are allowed to claim the title doctor.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Suddenly Trayvon’s FB page is down.[/quote]
And do you see that as maybe a little suspicious considering the Martin family lawyer spin machine?[/quote]
Innocent until proven guilty eh HG?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If no one can support what he says, it is not “a fact” like you stated before.[/quote]
Legally, it’s called “direct evidence.”
Assuming there is nothing to contradict it and the witness is reasonably credible, it is taken as a fact in a court of law.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
Ooook i was wondering wtf REMf was about. I assume (assume makes and ass out of you and me) that is an big insult for someone that was in the army?[/quote]
It’s what people in combat arms positions call everyone else in basically every military, even non-English speaking ones.
I’ve never understood the derision for combat arms people like ThirdRuffian vs. support personnel like Prof. X. The two depend on each other.
For the record, in the IDF, I was a combat engineer, and thus theoretically what-would-be-called-a REMF, but I ended sleeping in culverts, under football fields, and in mosque prayer towers in Judea and other locations approving JDAM or other strikes and getting in firefights.[/quote]
Exactly. I was a Captain in the US Airforce…and personally helped thousands become deployable during a war time. If anyone here finds that funny, you can kiss my ass and the ass of every soldier I helped.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
It’s used as an insult when someone tries to claim military experience. Sort of like when somebody claims to be a doctor when they are really only a dentist.[/quote]
Dentists are doctors, man. I assume you are referring to MD’s. Just because someone uses the title “Doctor” doesn’t mean that they are claiming to be an MD. A DDS is a relatively difficult degree to get, which is just one of the reasons individuals who obtain one are allowed to claim the title doctor.
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Dude, you are talking to someone who literally follows me around the forums with this…in every forum he posts in.
It isn’t like he will stop because of your correction. Overstand just has issues.
Now…back to the topic.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:
This case is just like Roderick Scott and Chris Cervini in NY except that Scott was black and Cervini was white. Also, Scott was found. Of guilty.
Funny though, I don’t remember a national media frenzy, death threats, and AS / JJ getting involved when the white kid got shot. [/quote]
Actually, that kid was breaking into cars. That would mean it is NOT the same at all.[/quote]
He was opening unlocked cars and looking for cigarettes. The point is that he was an unarmed kid who was shot by a grown man during a scuffle.
The major difference is that his skin color didn’t qualify him for vast media attention and the good Reverends’ help. [/quote]
…but…what about the issue in the same city where a cop’s kid beat up a black man?
That wasn’t on the news either.[/quote]
Yeah I want to know more about this too. Was it a “beating” for example or was it a mutual fight where the the black man had his ass handed to him that is now being spun in to the racist propaganda machine surrounding this particular police department?
[quote]FuriousFists wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FuriousFists wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Furious,
Your going to have to fix the quotes. I read your last portion. There is no dishonor in self defense what so ever. You can play tough guy all day, it isn’t impressive. A 130 lb. woman facing a rape wouldn’t share your bullshit bravado.
I’m a fairly large guy, compared to average joes on the street I’m a “big dude”, especially when you consider lean tissue.
I was a state level wrestler, enjoy bjj as a hobby and have started dicking around with kickboxing. I can crack heads. I’m also licensed to carry. If I’m “strapped” and some jerk off attacks or threatens to attack me, I’m not going to dick around and play honor ninja and bash his head in, I’m going to take his head clean off and your “honor” can kiss my barrel.
If, on the other hand, I’m in a situation mutually escalated to violence, a fight is a fight. I don’t support baiting.violence to murder, I stated the possibility exists and it does. Only certain people are eligible for a license and while not fool proof, the vetting process weeds out hot headed retards who just want to run around with a “license to kill”. It hasn’t been an issue considering facts in run of the mill or highly publicized cases.
Your “furious fist” honor barking doesn’t mean much. Frankly it is retarded. When faced with serious threat, the most efficient route to safety just makes the most sense. [/quote]
the most efficient route to safety would be to run away.
if you are attacked by more than one person
say one of them is ‘strapped’ (illegally for example)and the main aggressor is not using a weapon, therefore you are unaware of the danger.
you pulling out a firearm and shooting at him will escalate the situation and may end with you getting your own head blown clean off by one of his buddies.
nice logic, cowboy.
if you read the rest of my post, i said it would make more sense if the license were only available to vunerable citizens. if you are a large guy fully confident and capable to physically defend yourself as you describe, why do you even feel the need to carry a gun?
and i know honor doesnt mean much to people like you in america. hence the current state of affairs over there.[/quote]
Bullets are much faster than I am. And the dead can’t chase.
If I’m getting attacked by a group and one has a gun, I may get my head blown off anyways. What ifs are bullshit. Fact of the matter is, in your scenario, I’m getting attacked by a group which can be deadly with or without a weapon drawn on me and yes, in this scenario, I would be shooting in defense as I was unwillingly forced in to a dangerous situation of which the outcome is unknown. What I do know is in that situation I would do all I could to get out alive, including killing my attackers.
I don’t know what a vunerable citizen is but I’ll assume vulnerable. Define a “vulnerable person”. Bad guys in the US often have guns or knives. This makes anybody from a dear old grandmother to a 350 lb street brawler vulnerable. I don’t care how furious your fists are, you won’t win against a bullet.
What you don’t know when attacked is intent of the attacker, what they might have as a weapon and if they might use that weapon. You don’t fuck around for silly prides sake. Drop him for good and if it turns out he just had skittles and iced tea, his dumb ass paid the price for acting a fool.
You can gamble on pride and cross your fingers you don’t get shot while being a hard ass but in the US getting shot yourself while being mugged/attacked what have you is a real possibility. Call your stupidity honor if you want, I’ll live. And, FTR, cowboy is not an insult. [/quote]
"Drop him for good and if it turns out he just had skittles and iced tea, his dumb ass paid the price for acting a fool. "
Ignorance speaks for itself. i have no words.[/quote]
The perception of a threat is real cause for defense indeed and your ignornance on the matter thankfully silences you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
It’s used as an insult when someone tries to claim military experience. Sort of like when somebody claims to be a doctor when they are really only a dentist.[/quote]
Dentists are doctors, man. I assume you are referring to MD’s. Just because someone uses the title “Doctor” doesn’t mean that they are claiming to be an MD. A DDS is a relatively difficult degree to get, which is just one of the reasons individuals who obtain one are allowed to claim the title doctor.
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Dude, you are talking to someone who literally follows me around the forums with this…in every forum he posts in.
It isn’t like he will stop because of your correction. Overstand just has issues.
Now…back to the topic.
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Don’t flatter yourself, nobody is following you any where. You have 40k posts, you post every where (and routinely show everybody what a massive, racist dipshit you are).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
It’s used as an insult when someone tries to claim military experience. Sort of like when somebody claims to be a doctor when they are really only a dentist.[/quote]
Dentists are doctors, man. I assume you are referring to MD’s. Just because someone uses the title “Doctor” doesn’t mean that they are claiming to be an MD. A DDS is a relatively difficult degree to get, which is just one of the reasons individuals who obtain one are allowed to claim the title doctor.
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Dude, you are talking to someone who literally follows me around the forums with this…in every forum he posts in.
It isn’t like he will stop because of your correction. Overstand just has issues.
Now…back to the topic.
[/quote]
He calls himself Overstand because to call himself Understand would mean that he actually has to do that in life.
lol
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
It’s used as an insult when someone tries to claim military experience. Sort of like when somebody claims to be a doctor when they are really only a dentist.[/quote]
Dentists are doctors, man. I assume you are referring to MD’s. Just because someone uses the title “Doctor” doesn’t mean that they are claiming to be an MD. A DDS is a relatively difficult degree to get, which is just one of the reasons individuals who obtain one are allowed to claim the title doctor.
[/quote]
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also…lol at “opening unlocked cars looking for cigarettes”.
yeah, we call that “theft”.[/quote]
Yep, and the shooting should’ve been legally justified. We know this because we have all the facts on this case.
We still don’t have them all down in Florida, however.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Here’s a Twitter conversation where Trayvon and his cousin Stephen Martin discuss assaulting a bus driver days before the shooting. Someone also posted on his facebook asking who he had gotten in a fight with.
It was just reported today (March 26) that Trayvon was suspended from school for marijuana. This is consistent with the facebook conversation I posted earlier which suggests Trayvon was a drug dealer.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html
It’s becoming clearer by the day that this is exactly the kind of kid who would take offense at being confronted by Zimmerman and then jump him on his way back to the truck.
And Dark Ninja, you are easily the most vile and disgusting character I have ever seen on this board. [/quote]
Where on his FaceBook does he talk about a fight?
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http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/trayvon_martin_no_thats_not_hi.php
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That particular picture (white beanie, flipping off the camera) is not Trayvon.
The picture I just posted is from Trayvon’s facebook, and so are all of these:
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer
Here is more:
His twitter account was deleted, and now it appears his facebook has been deleted as well. When you’re trying to start a race war, you have to cover up the fact that the victim was a violent drug dealing thug.[/quote]
All not proven, and even if it were true, it means NOTHING in this case because he had no drugs on him nor in his system.
But in your mind, he’s guilty, so why don’t you just tell us the real reason you think so.
;)[/quote]
Nice race baiting, you would do well in journalism.
Understanding the character of Trayvon Martin is critical here, and I will bet you all of this will surface in court if it comes to that. How many times have you and the rest of the lynch mob posted that Zimmerman had a history of calling 911?
And once again, the toxicology report is still pending.
So you can quit saying he was clean.
I am finding some misleading facts regarding Trayvon here: How big was he ?
Because I see pictures of some little kid and then read a report he was 6’4 and 200 pds.
Which is it?