[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you in high school? If no one else heard it, it is all just information to be judged later. It is not a FACT that can be supported by witnesses.[/quote]
No, little man, I am not in high school. Nor was I a REMF like you.
Again, what evidence do you have?
Or just are you relying on your special spidy-sense of racial injustice?[/quote]
uhh what??
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]JLD2k3 wrote:
They speak Spanish in the home. Fact
Grandmother lives/lived with them and spoke no English whatsoever. Fact
I knew this family for 18 years and saw the father twice. Fact
If you called them white, they got pissed. Observational assessment[/quote]
NONE of these “facts” change how a single man is viewed in public just standing there.
Do you ask all of these questions of every black person you see? If not, then your inability to understand this is simply because you choose not to.
race in America is based on APPEARANCE. Not one racial profile is based on what the individual LIKES.
[quote]
You haven’t heard GZ speak or interacted with him, so all you have to go on is how he looks in these pictures. I only offered you some insight. Your imputation of judgements and thoughts is inappropriate and inaccurate. I don’t pretend to know what other people are thinking and I don’t appreciate you pretending to know that about me and assigning your assumptions to me.[/quote]
? I got told I speak like a white guy all my life until I got out of college. Your point?[/quote]
I never tried to make a point, just offer some insight and information. You continue to show your ass. Silly me to attempt to provide some information to a conversation that I continue to remain neutral on that could further the discussion.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you in high school? If no one else heard it, it is all just information to be judged later. It is not a FACT that can be supported by witnesses.[/quote]
No, little man, I am not in high school. Nor was I a REMF like you.
Again, what evidence do you have?
Or just are you relying on your special spidy-sense of racial injustice?[/quote]
Both of you are we assume “mature adults” so please act them. Ok thanks, So we can try and sort out the story as it unfolds.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Here’s a Twitter conversation where Trayvon and his cousin Stephen Martin discuss assaulting a bus driver days before the shooting. Someone also posted on his facebook asking who he had gotten in a fight with.
It was just reported today (March 26) that Trayvon was suspended from school for marijuana. This is consistent with the facebook conversation I posted earlier which suggests Trayvon was a drug dealer.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html
It’s becoming clearer by the day that this is exactly the kind of kid who would take offense at being confronted by Zimmerman and then jump him on his way back to the truck.
And Dark Ninja, you are easily the most vile and disgusting character I have ever seen on this board. [/quote]
Where on his FaceBook does he talk about a fight?
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http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/trayvon_martin_no_thats_not_hi.php
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Carrying a gun may be a right but it also carries with it responsibility. You carry a gun to protect yourself from the unavoidable not to give yourself the courage to engage in behavior that you wouldn’t have done otherwise. Combine that with an attitude about race that leads you to profile and you have what we have here. A normal person who carries a gun does whatever he has to within reason to avoid a situation in which he may end up using it. [/quote]
Excellent post.
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you in high school? If no one else heard it, it is all just information to be judged later. It is not a FACT that can be supported by witnesses.[/quote]
No, little man, I am not in high school. Nor was I a REMF like you.
Again, what evidence do you have?
Or just are you relying on your special spidy-sense of racial injustice?[/quote]
uhh what??[/quote]
Rear-Echelon-Mother-Fucker – Means being in the rear with the gear or to put it mildly : being in the military without being in Harm’s Way.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you in high school? If no one else heard it, it is all just information to be judged later. It is not a FACT that can be supported by witnesses.[/quote]
No, little man, I am not in high school. Nor was I a REMF like you.
Again, what evidence do you have?
Or just are you relying on your special spidy-sense of racial injustice?[/quote]
? You seem a little confused…because nothing you just wrote makes sense.
If no one can support what he says, it is not “a fact” like you stated before. Your weak insults don’t change that.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Here’s a Twitter conversation where Trayvon and his cousin Stephen Martin discuss assaulting a bus driver days before the shooting. Someone also posted on his facebook asking who he had gotten in a fight with.
It was just reported today (March 26) that Trayvon was suspended from school for marijuana. This is consistent with the facebook conversation I posted earlier which suggests Trayvon was a drug dealer.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html
It’s becoming clearer by the day that this is exactly the kind of kid who would take offense at being confronted by Zimmerman and then jump him on his way back to the truck.
And Dark Ninja, you are easily the most vile and disgusting character I have ever seen on this board. [/quote]
Where on his FaceBook does he talk about a fight?
[/quote]
[/quote]
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/trayvon_martin_no_thats_not_hi.php
[/quote]
That particular picture (white beanie, flipping off the camera) is not Trayvon.
The picture I just posted is from Trayvon’s facebook, and so are all of these:
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer
Here is more:
His twitter account was deleted, and now it appears his facebook has been deleted as well. When you’re trying to start a race war, you have to cover up the fact that the victim was a violent drug dealing thug.
[quote]FuriousFists wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Furious,
Your going to have to fix the quotes. I read your last portion. There is no dishonor in self defense what so ever. You can play tough guy all day, it isn’t impressive. A 130 lb. woman facing a rape wouldn’t share your bullshit bravado.
I’m a fairly large guy, compared to average joes on the street I’m a “big dude”, especially when you consider lean tissue.
I was a state level wrestler, enjoy bjj as a hobby and have started dicking around with kickboxing. I can crack heads. I’m also licensed to carry. If I’m “strapped” and some jerk off attacks or threatens to attack me, I’m not going to dick around and play honor ninja and bash his head in, I’m going to take his head clean off and your “honor” can kiss my barrel.
If, on the other hand, I’m in a situation mutually escalated to violence, a fight is a fight. I don’t support baiting.violence to murder, I stated the possibility exists and it does. Only certain people are eligible for a license and while not fool proof, the vetting process weeds out hot headed retards who just want to run around with a “license to kill”. It hasn’t been an issue considering facts in run of the mill or highly publicized cases.
Your “furious fist” honor barking doesn’t mean much. Frankly it is retarded. When faced with serious threat, the most efficient route to safety just makes the most sense. [/quote]
the most efficient route to safety would be to run away.
if you are attacked by more than one person
say one of them is ‘strapped’ (illegally for example)and the main aggressor is not using a weapon, therefore you are unaware of the danger.
you pulling out a firearm and shooting at him will escalate the situation and may end with you getting your own head blown clean off by one of his buddies.
nice logic, cowboy.
if you read the rest of my post, i said it would make more sense if the license were only available to vunerable citizens. if you are a large guy fully confident and capable to physically defend yourself as you describe, why do you even feel the need to carry a gun?
and i know honor doesnt mean much to people like you in america. hence the current state of affairs over there.[/quote]
Bullets are much faster than I am. And the dead can’t chase.
If I’m getting attacked by a group and one has a gun, I may get my head blown off anyways. What ifs are bullshit. Fact of the matter is, in your scenario, I’m getting attacked by a group which can be deadly with or without a weapon drawn on me and yes, in this scenario, I would be shooting in defense as I was unwillingly forced in to a dangerous situation of which the outcome is unknown. What I do know is in that situation I would do all I could to get out alive, including killing my attackers.
I don’t know what a vunerable citizen is but I’ll assume vulnerable. Define a “vulnerable person”. Bad guys in the US often have guns or knives. This makes anybody from a dear old grandmother to a 350 lb street brawler vulnerable. I don’t care how furious your fists are, you won’t win against a bullet.
What you don’t know when attacked is intent of the attacker, what they might have as a weapon and if they might use that weapon. You don’t fuck around for silly prides sake. Drop him for good and if it turns out he just had skittles and iced tea, his dumb ass paid the price for acting a fool.
You can gamble on pride and cross your fingers you don’t get shot while being a hard ass but in the US getting shot yourself while being mugged/attacked what have you is a real possibility. Call your stupidity honor if you want, I’ll live. And, FTR, cowboy is not an insult.
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you in high school? If no one else heard it, it is all just information to be judged later. It is not a FACT that can be supported by witnesses.[/quote]
No, little man, I am not in high school. Nor was I a REMF like you.
Again, what evidence do you have?
Or just are you relying on your special spidy-sense of racial injustice?[/quote]
uhh what??[/quote]
Rear-Echelon-Mother-Fucker – Means being in the rear with the gear or to put it mildly : being in the military without being in Harm’s Way.
[/quote]
It’s used as an insult when someone tries to claim military experience. Sort of like when somebody claims to be a doctor when they are really only a dentist.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Here’s a Twitter conversation where Trayvon and his cousin Stephen Martin discuss assaulting a bus driver days before the shooting. Someone also posted on his facebook asking who he had gotten in a fight with.
It was just reported today (March 26) that Trayvon was suspended from school for marijuana. This is consistent with the facebook conversation I posted earlier which suggests Trayvon was a drug dealer.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html
It’s becoming clearer by the day that this is exactly the kind of kid who would take offense at being confronted by Zimmerman and then jump him on his way back to the truck.
And Dark Ninja, you are easily the most vile and disgusting character I have ever seen on this board. [/quote]
Where on his FaceBook does he talk about a fight?
[/quote]
[/quote]
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/trayvon_martin_no_thats_not_hi.php
[/quote]
Interesting.
This case is just like Roderick Scott and Chris Cervini in NY except that Scott was black and Cervini was white. Also, Scott was found not guilty.
Funny though, I don’t remember a national media frenzy, death threats, and AS / JJ getting involved when the white kid got shot.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Suddenly Trayvon’s FB page is down.[/quote]
And do you see that as maybe a little suspicious considering the Martin family lawyer spin machine?
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Are you in high school? If no one else heard it, it is all just information to be judged later. It is not a FACT that can be supported by witnesses.[/quote]
No, little man, I am not in high school. Nor was I a REMF like you.
Again, what evidence do you have?
Or just are you relying on your special spidy-sense of racial injustice?[/quote]
uhh what??[/quote]
Rear-Echelon-Mother-Fucker – Means being in the rear with the gear or to put it mildly : being in the military without being in Harm’s Way.
[/quote]
Ooook i was wondering wtf REMf was about. I assume (assume makes and ass out of you and me) that is an big insult for someone that was in the army?
[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:
This case is just like Roderick Scott and Chris Cervini in NY except that Scott was black and Cervini was white. Also, Scott was found. Of guilty.
Funny though, I don’t remember a national media frenzy, death threats, and AS / JJ getting involved when the white kid got shot. [/quote]
Actually, that kid was breaking into cars. That would mean it is NOT the same at all.
[quote]Rochester, N.Y. â??After nearly 20 hours of deliberating, a jury has found Roderick Scott not guilty of manslaughter.
Scott says he never meant to shoot and kill 16-year-old Christopher Cervini in April, when he caught the teenager and two others breaking into cars in his neighborhood.
Scott faced a charge of first-degree manslaughter. His trial in state Supreme Court began Nov. 30.
Scott says Cervini threatened him â?? and he fired his gun in self-defense…
Assistant District Attorney Julie Finnochio said she respects the verdict and recognizes that it was a difficult case.
“I just hope it’s not a message to the community that you have the right to shoot a 17-year-old unarmed kid for trying to break into a car,” she said.
But Scott’s attorney John Parrinello hopes it does send a message.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:
This case is just like Roderick Scott and Chris Cervini in NY except that Scott was black and Cervini was white. Also, Scott was found. Of guilty.
Funny though, I don’t remember a national media frenzy, death threats, and AS / JJ getting involved when the white kid got shot. [/quote]
Actually, that kid was breaking into cars. That would mean it is NOT the same at all.[/quote]
He was opening unlocked cars and looking for cigarettes. The point is that he was an unarmed kid who was shot by a grown man during a scuffle.
The major difference is that his skin color didn’t qualify him for vast media attention and the good Reverends’ help.
[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheSouthpaw wrote:
This case is just like Roderick Scott and Chris Cervini in NY except that Scott was black and Cervini was white. Also, Scott was found. Of guilty.
Funny though, I don’t remember a national media frenzy, death threats, and AS / JJ getting involved when the white kid got shot. [/quote]
Actually, that kid was breaking into cars. That would mean it is NOT the same at all.[/quote]
He was opening unlocked cars and looking for cigarettes. The point is that he was an unarmed kid who was shot by a grown man during a scuffle.
The major difference is that his skin color didn’t qualify him for vast media attention and the good Reverends’ help. [/quote]
…but…what about the issue in the same city where a cop’s kid beat up a black man?
That wasn’t on the news either.
Also…lol at “opening unlocked cars looking for cigarettes”.
yeah, we call that “theft”.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]FuriousFists wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Furious,
Your going to have to fix the quotes. I read your last portion. There is no dishonor in self defense what so ever. You can play tough guy all day, it isn’t impressive. A 130 lb. woman facing a rape wouldn’t share your bullshit bravado.
I’m a fairly large guy, compared to average joes on the street I’m a “big dude”, especially when you consider lean tissue.
I was a state level wrestler, enjoy bjj as a hobby and have started dicking around with kickboxing. I can crack heads. I’m also licensed to carry. If I’m “strapped” and some jerk off attacks or threatens to attack me, I’m not going to dick around and play honor ninja and bash his head in, I’m going to take his head clean off and your “honor” can kiss my barrel.
If, on the other hand, I’m in a situation mutually escalated to violence, a fight is a fight. I don’t support baiting.violence to murder, I stated the possibility exists and it does. Only certain people are eligible for a license and while not fool proof, the vetting process weeds out hot headed retards who just want to run around with a “license to kill”. It hasn’t been an issue considering facts in run of the mill or highly publicized cases.
Your “furious fist” honor barking doesn’t mean much. Frankly it is retarded. When faced with serious threat, the most efficient route to safety just makes the most sense. [/quote]
the most efficient route to safety would be to run away.
if you are attacked by more than one person
say one of them is ‘strapped’ (illegally for example)and the main aggressor is not using a weapon, therefore you are unaware of the danger.
you pulling out a firearm and shooting at him will escalate the situation and may end with you getting your own head blown clean off by one of his buddies.
nice logic, cowboy.
if you read the rest of my post, i said it would make more sense if the license were only available to vunerable citizens. if you are a large guy fully confident and capable to physically defend yourself as you describe, why do you even feel the need to carry a gun?
and i know honor doesnt mean much to people like you in america. hence the current state of affairs over there.[/quote]
Bullets are much faster than I am. And the dead can’t chase.
If I’m getting attacked by a group and one has a gun, I may get my head blown off anyways. What ifs are bullshit. Fact of the matter is, in your scenario, I’m getting attacked by a group which can be deadly with or without a weapon drawn on me and yes, in this scenario, I would be shooting in defense as I was unwillingly forced in to a dangerous situation of which the outcome is unknown. What I do know is in that situation I would do all I could to get out alive, including killing my attackers.
I don’t know what a vunerable citizen is but I’ll assume vulnerable. Define a “vulnerable person”. Bad guys in the US often have guns or knives. This makes anybody from a dear old grandmother to a 350 lb street brawler vulnerable. I don’t care how furious your fists are, you won’t win against a bullet.
What you don’t know when attacked is intent of the attacker, what they might have as a weapon and if they might use that weapon. You don’t fuck around for silly prides sake. Drop him for good and if it turns out he just had skittles and iced tea, his dumb ass paid the price for acting a fool.
You can gamble on pride and cross your fingers you don’t get shot while being a hard ass but in the US getting shot yourself while being mugged/attacked what have you is a real possibility. Call your stupidity honor if you want, I’ll live. And, FTR, cowboy is not an insult. [/quote]
"Drop him for good and if it turns out he just had skittles and iced tea, his dumb ass paid the price for acting a fool. "
Ignorance speaks for itself. i have no words.
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]overstand wrote:
Here’s a Twitter conversation where Trayvon and his cousin Stephen Martin discuss assaulting a bus driver days before the shooting. Someone also posted on his facebook asking who he had gotten in a fight with.
It was just reported today (March 26) that Trayvon was suspended from school for marijuana. This is consistent with the facebook conversation I posted earlier which suggests Trayvon was a drug dealer.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-170335350.html
It’s becoming clearer by the day that this is exactly the kind of kid who would take offense at being confronted by Zimmerman and then jump him on his way back to the truck.
And Dark Ninja, you are easily the most vile and disgusting character I have ever seen on this board. [/quote]
Where on his FaceBook does he talk about a fight?
[/quote]
[/quote]
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/trayvon_martin_no_thats_not_hi.php
[/quote]
That particular picture (white beanie, flipping off the camera) is not Trayvon.
The picture I just posted is from Trayvon’s facebook, and so are all of these:
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer
Here is more:
His twitter account was deleted, and now it appears his facebook has been deleted as well. When you’re trying to start a race war, you have to cover up the fact that the victim was a violent drug dealing thug.[/quote]
All not proven, and even if it were true, it means NOTHING in this case because he had no drugs on him nor in his system.
But in your mind, he’s guilty, so why don’t you just tell us the real reason you think so.
