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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Trayvon was chased like an animal, cornered and harassed by a white fucker who thought he was Judge Dredd.

Zimmercunt was told to stay in his car and he didn’t. Zimmercunt was going for the kill.

Where are the ER reports that show Zimmercunt sustained a broken nose? Poor pussy. I’m supposed to feel sorry for that child murderer now?

Zimmercunt is a fat bastard, 240 pounds, and he couldn’t even take a punch from a slimmer kid that the only solution was to end the fight by shooting him dead.

Zimmercunt and the police used Stand your Ground and Self defence to cover his racist ass.

Zimmercunt has still not be arrested yet.

Zimmercunt WILL get away with this.

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wow…told myself I was not going to post in here again…but this is some of the most hateful, non-factual bile I have read on this site.

Wow.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

Trayvon was just walking home. NOT scoping out houses or cars. All Zimmerman had to do was keep an eye on him until police arrived.
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Sadly he didn’t. He wast told not to follow Trayvon. He should have stayed in his car. He chose to take the law in his own hand. And now he’s got the blood of an innocent child in his hands.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
wow…told myself I was not going to post in here again…but this is some of the most hateful, non-factual bile I have read on this site.

Wow.[/quote]

The REAL tragedy is that people think ‘Zimmercunt’, ‘Zimmershit’, etc., are clever names.

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[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
JewBacca, the onus of proof in self defense cases is on the one who does the murdering.
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Correct.

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How is he going to prove there he was defending himself when not a single witness saw the beginning of the fight and he specifically followed one of those “fucking coons?” Racially motivated-hate crime.[/quote]

Couple things here: the tape has been listed to by experts, and he calls the kid a “goon,” not a “coon.”

There is also no evidence the Hispanic guy was racist: he had a mixed-race family, acted as a step-parent of some sort to two black children, and several black neighbors have come forward saying they trust the Hispanic guy with their life.

His story is he confronted the Black kid, they had words, then the Hispanic was walking back to his truck when the Black kid jumped him. His story is (SO FAR) consistent with other witnesses and his physical injuries.

That’s self-defense 101 — AT THIS POINT.

Shoudl they continune to investigate? Absolutely.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Then the question that begs to be answered is obviously why would you question someone who was simply walking around? Why not just follow him and wait for him to do something that’s illegal? [/quote]

That’s an interesting question, but not legally relevant to the criminal charges potentially pending against the Hispanic guy.

Again, a victim of a beating can respond with deadly force to stop the beating the Hispanic was taking (broken nose, busted back of head, busted ribs, on the ground) UNLESS the beating victim “provoked” the attack.

“Provoke” does not mean be a putz who might need to get sued in civil court for being a racist putz (allegations that appear to have been false). “Provoke” means to walk up and assault someone or, very occasionally, used “fighting words.”[/quote]

What I am curious to know is say for example the shooting never occurred but instead Zimmerman followed Trayvon. Given what we know only, that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, Trayvon RAN away from him, Zimmerman pursued and then a fight ensued. If Trayvon admitted to having attacked Zimmerman because he was afraid of the man, could Trayvon have made a self-defense claim?
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THAT’S the side many are taking. I mean WTF… how many men here WOULDN’T take out a dude following and harassing you?

It’s interesting how so many are taking the issue that Trayvon made the mistake here. None of this would be under discussion if fucking Zimmerman didn’t act like a bogus hero and pursue Trayvon.
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Bingo. I would see someone chasing me at night in the rain WITH A GUN as a threat to my life. I am wondering why everyone here is acting like they would calmly get shot.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

His story is he confronted the Black kid, they had words, then the Hispanic was walking back to his truck when the Black kid jumped him. [/quote]

Wait…so he was at his truck when he got jumped? That makes no sense. His girl stated she heard Trayvon ask why he was being followed. Why are you so quick to accept the word of everyone else except her?

The neighbor said they were right outside her house…not in front of his truck.

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[quote]BeefEater wrote:
Given what we know only, that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, Trayvon RAN away from him, Zimmerman pursued and then a fight ensued. If Trayvon admitted to having attacked Zimmerman because he was afraid of the man, could Trayvon have made a self-defense claim?
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Yep.

People keep commingling a potential defense the Black guy could have had, had he been the “winner,” with the defense the Hispanic guy has.

Again, the LEGAL question to ask is “did the Hispanic guy provoke (as defined under Florida law) the final fight?”

If yes, no self-defense.

If no, self-defense.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:
Given what we know only, that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, Trayvon RAN away from him, Zimmerman pursued and then a fight ensued. If Trayvon admitted to having attacked Zimmerman because he was afraid of the man, could Trayvon have made a self-defense claim?
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Yep.

People keep commingling a potential defense the Black guy could have had, had he been the “winner,” with the defense the Hispanic guy has.

Again, the LEGAL question to ask is “did the Hispanic guy provoke (as defined under Florida law) the final fight?”

If yes, no self-defense.

If no, self-defense.[/quote]

The ONLY facts we have that are not one sided is that Zimmerman ran after Trayvon, fought with him and then shot him. All we know of the fact is that at one point, it looked like Zimmerman was losing. We don’t know anything else as FACT…which means the fact that he chased Trayvon should not be held lightly at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why are you so quick to accept the word of everyone else except her?

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Exactly. Zimmerman has the luxury of his statements not being contested by Trayvon.
He can say anything he wants to clear his ass.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Then the question that begs to be answered is obviously why would you question someone who was simply walking around? Why not just follow him and wait for him to do something that’s illegal? [/quote]

That’s an interesting question, but not legally relevant to the criminal charges potentially pending against the Hispanic guy.

Again, a victim of a beating can respond with deadly force to stop the beating the Hispanic was taking (broken nose, busted back of head, busted ribs, on the ground) UNLESS the beating victim “provoked” the attack.

“Provoke” does not mean be a putz who might need to get sued in civil court for being a racist putz (allegations that appear to have been false). “Provoke” means to walk up and assault someone or, very occasionally, used “fighting words.”[/quote]

What I am curious to know is say for example the shooting never occurred but instead Zimmerman followed Trayvon. Given what we know only, that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, Trayvon RAN away from him, Zimmerman pursued and then a fight ensued. If Trayvon admitted to having attacked Zimmerman because he was afraid of the man, could Trayvon have made a self-defense claim?
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THAT’S the side many are taking. I mean WTF… how many men here WOULDN’T take out a dude following and harassing you?

It’s interesting how so many are taking the issue that Trayvon made the mistake here. None of this would be under discussion if fucking Zimmerman didn’t act like a bogus hero and pursue Trayvon.
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Bingo. I would see someone chasing me at night in the rain WITH A GUN as a threat to my life. I am wondering why everyone here is acting like they would calmly get shot.
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“Concealed” carry. Some states are open carry, Florida is not one of them.

To be within in the legal rights of his license, Zimmerman’s gun would’ve been concealed and following your conjecture train, this is most likely.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I mean WTF… how many men here WOULDN’T take out a dude following and harassing you?
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Sure. And that would potentially be a defense the Black guy would have had, if the fight turned out differently.

Here, however, legally it’s about the mental state of the Hispanic guy (the “mens rea”) and whether he provoked the black guy into the final fight.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I mean WTF… how many men here WOULDN’T take out a dude following and harassing you?
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Sure. And that would potentially be a defense the Black guy would have had, if the fight turned out differently.

Here, however, legally it’s about the mental state of the Hispanic guy (the “mens rea”) and whether he provoked the black guy into the final fight.[/quote]

He chased him…at night…in the rain…carrying a gun.

What the fuck else do you need to do to provoke someone to defend themselves? Actually shoot them?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why are you so quick to accept the word of everyone else except her?[/quote]

I am not endorsing the Hispanic’s story (or anyone’s) as true, just applying various fact patterns to the law.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Trayvon was chased like an animal, cornered and harassed by a white fucker who thought he was Judge Dredd.

Zimmercunt was told to stay in his car and he didn’t. Zimmercunt was going for the kill.

Where are the ER reports that show Zimmercunt sustained a broken nose? Poor pussy. I’m supposed to feel sorry for that child murderer now?

Zimmercunt is a fat bastard, 240 pounds, and he couldn’t even take a punch from a slimmer kid that the only solution was to end the fight by shooting him dead.

Zimmercunt and the police used Stand your Ground and Self defence to cover his racist ass.

Zimmercunt has still not be arrested yet.

Zimmercunt WILL get away with this.

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wow…told myself I was not going to post in here again…but this is some of the most hateful, non-factual bile I have read on this site.

Wow.[/quote]

Lol. Non factual?

Zimmercunt is still free. FACT.

Zimmercunt was told to stay in his car. Not to follow Trayvon Martin. FACT

Zimmercunt thought he was Judge Dredd and decided to follow Trayvon Martin anyway. FACT

Trayvon’s friend has said he was pursued by a strange man during their phone conversation. FACT.

Zimmercunt HUNTED Trayvon Martin. FACT.

It is said the murderer has been bruised. I have asked for proof. ER records amongst them…

Zimmercunt is 240 pounds. Trayvor weighed less than that. FACT

‘‘According’’ to some witness, the scum was getting his ass handed over to him by Trayvon. FACT OR FICTION?

Zimmercunt was under Trayvon, ‘‘according’’ to some witness. He pulled his gun and shot him dead. Is this fact or fiction?

Zimemrcunt claimed self defence. The police has been covered his ass since day one. They were pressurised to release those tapes and do something about the murder. FACT.

Will Zimmercunt get away with murder? Probably so. The law, the witness reports, are on his side so far. Shit, there’re already some reports he got jumped on by Martin as he walked back to his truck.

How on earth what I’ve mostly listed in my ‘‘hateful’’ bile is non- factual? Non factual to the Zimmerman’s supporters surely. I don’t give a shit.

And Zimmerman is a cunt and I’d call him how I like. If that makes you cry like a baby, tough. He killed an innocent child and I should not pity him. I’m not fucking Jesus who forgives easily, especially when there isn’t any justice in the system.

And by the way, I’m glad I got you out of lurking. Now get back to it.

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Bit late to the game, saw the story on CNN yesterday.

This Zimmerman guy needs to death sentence. Its disgusting that he isn’t even in custody.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why are you so quick to accept the word of everyone else except her?[/quote]

I am not endorsing the Hispanic’s story (or anyone’s) as true, just applying various fact patterns to the law.[/quote]

OK…and some of those facts include the testimony of the girl he was on the phone with before getting shot.

According to her, the fight started right after Trayvon asked why he was being chased. You can’t ignore that.

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Okay… mental states taken into account -

We have a kid returning from the store with candy and tea, heading home to watch the game with his dad.

We also have an irate townwatch captain who, in his experience, is itching to stop the recent criminal activity in his neighborhood. His 911 call informs him not to follow the suspect.

Which person would YOU think was the aggressor?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why are you so quick to accept the word of everyone else except her?[/quote]

I am not endorsing the Hispanic’s story (or anyone’s) as true, just applying various fact patterns to the law.[/quote]

OK…and some of those facts include the testimony of the girl he was on the phone with before getting shot.

According to her, the fight started right after Trayvon asked why he was being chased. You can’t ignore that.

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Oh no!! They’ll ignore that! It’s non-factual!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I mean WTF… how many men here WOULDN’T take out a dude following and harassing you?
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Sure. And that would potentially be a defense the Black guy would have had, if the fight turned out differently.

Here, however, legally it’s about the mental state of the Hispanic guy (the “mens rea”) and whether he provoked the black guy into the final fight.[/quote]

He chased him…at night…in the rain…carrying a gun.

What the fuck else do you need to do to provoke someone to defend themselves? Actually shoot them?[/quote]

Is there any evidence that the Black guy knew the Hispanic guy had a gun?

A chase may or may not be “provocation” to defeat the Hispanic’s self-defense claim. Provocation, however, is very narrowly legally defined, and means “assualt without legal right” or the like.

I am not sure if a “chase” counts.

I don’t know if being neighborhood watch gives “legal right.”

I defer to a Florida lawyer on those issues.

(Now, be careful — don’t commingle the Black guy’s legal right to defend himself because some nut was chasing him with whether the Hispanic guy no longer has a self-defense right. Legally, different things.)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

His story is he confronted the Black kid, they had words, then the Hispanic was walking back to his truck when the Black kid jumped him. [/quote]

Wait…so he was at his truck when he got jumped? That makes no sense. His girl stated she heard Trayvon ask why he was being followed. Why are you so quick to accept the word of everyone else except her?

The neighbor said they were right outside her house…not in front of his truck.[/quote]

Anything else is just non-factual, Prof. The neighbour’s testimony doesn’t count.