[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
Saw them a couple months ago, great show and goddamn heavy. Geezer and Iommi were rock solid.
Ozzy also a lot less sloppy than in recent years and has unbelievable energy for a guy closing in on 70. You got the feeling he realises this could be his one last hurrah.
If you’re a fan I HIGHLY recommend you catch this tour.[/quote]
How in the lysergic acid diethylamide does a guy like Ozzy live to the age of 70?[/quote]
I think if you could manage living with a woman like Sharon Osbourne for a whole week you can survive pretty much anything.
Discussions on the architects of heavy metal cannot exclude Led Zeppelin. Sure, Sabbath had a huge hand in creating the genre, but Zeppelin had already brought elements of what would become metal into the public ear. Dee Snider once said, “Whole Lotta Love” was THE template for the future of heavy metal." And don’t forget; Zeppelin’s first album came out a full year before Sabbath’s first album.
And as far as influential bands go, I can’t recall too many young singers who wanted to sing like Ozzy. Robert Plant almost single-handedly inspired entire future generations of metal vocalists.
[quote]CLINK wrote:
Discussions on the architects of heavy metal cannot exclude Led Zeppelin. Sure, Sabbath had a huge hand in creating the genre, but Zeppelin had already brought elements of what would become metal into the public ear. Dee Snider once said, “Whole Lotta Love” was THE template for the future of heavy metal." And don’t forget; Zeppelin’s first album came out a full year before Sabbath’s first album.
And as far as influential bands go, I can’t recall too many young singers who wanted to sing like Ozzy. Robert Plant almost single-handedly inspired entire future generations of metal vocalists.[/quote]
You like Branch Warren. I cannot trust your judgment on anything.
[quote]CLINK wrote:
Discussions on the architects of heavy metal cannot exclude Led Zeppelin. Sure, Sabbath had a huge hand in creating the genre, but Zeppelin had already brought elements of what would become metal into the public ear. Dee Snider once said, “Whole Lotta Love” was THE template for the future of heavy metal." And don’t forget; Zeppelin’s first album came out a full year before Sabbath’s first album.
And as far as influential bands go, I can’t recall too many young singers who wanted to sing like Ozzy. Robert Plant almost single-handedly inspired entire future generations of metal vocalists.[/quote]
You like Branch Warren. I cannot trust your judgment on anything.[/quote]
Okay, aside from his last 2 years’ condition, he was awesome!
Now he’s beat up (from his not-so-smart way of training), and has pretty much destroyed his physique.
[quote]CLINK wrote:
Discussions on the architects of heavy metal cannot exclude Led Zeppelin. Sure, Sabbath had a huge hand in creating the genre, but Zeppelin had already brought elements of what would become metal into the public ear. Dee Snider once said, “Whole Lotta Love” was THE template for the future of heavy metal." And don’t forget; Zeppelin’s first album came out a full year before Sabbath’s first album.
And as far as influential bands go, I can’t recall too many young singers who wanted to sing like Ozzy. Robert Plant almost single-handedly inspired entire future generations of metal vocalists.[/quote]
led zepplin more in lines of rock n’ roll than heavy metal… although sabbath started as sort of a blues band, zepplin “borrowed” and based their stuff almost entirely from american blues artist. sabbath do have elements of blues, but their approach ultimately stemmed from not wanting to be a blues cover or blues based band, so they played louder and faster than everyone else at the time… you can attribute aspects of zepplin and their influence in heavy metal, but no way their on same level as sabbath as the orginators of heavy metal…
[quote]CLINK wrote:
Discussions on the architects of heavy metal cannot exclude Led Zeppelin. Sure, Sabbath had a huge hand in creating the genre, but Zeppelin had already brought elements of what would become metal into the public ear. Dee Snider once said, “Whole Lotta Love” was THE template for the future of heavy metal." And don’t forget; Zeppelin’s first album came out a full year before Sabbath’s first album.
And as far as influential bands go, I can’t recall too many young singers who wanted to sing like Ozzy. Robert Plant almost single-handedly inspired entire future generations of metal vocalists.[/quote]
led zepplin more in lines of rock n’ roll than heavy metal… although sabbath started as sort of a blues band, zepplin “borrowed” and based their stuff almost entirely from american blues artist. sabbath do have elements of blues, but their approach ultimately stemmed from not wanting to be a blues cover or blues based band, so they played louder and faster than everyone else at the time… you can attribute aspects of zepplin and their influence in heavy metal, but no way their on same level as sabbath as the orginators of heavy metal…[/quote]
I beg to differ. It’s easy to make that evaluation based on how things sound today. Forty years ago, the line between hard rock and heavy metal was very blurry. Today, with metal having split off into so many sub-genres, it’s easy to make the claim you have made, yet the sub-genres make my point perfectly, in that Zep and Sabbath represented the new directions metal would take.
[quote]CLINK wrote:
Discussions on the architects of heavy metal cannot exclude Led Zeppelin. Sure, Sabbath had a huge hand in creating the genre, but Zeppelin had already brought elements of what would become metal into the public ear. Dee Snider once said, “Whole Lotta Love” was THE template for the future of heavy metal." And don’t forget; Zeppelin’s first album came out a full year before Sabbath’s first album.
And as far as influential bands go, I can’t recall too many young singers who wanted to sing like Ozzy. Robert Plant almost single-handedly inspired entire future generations of metal vocalists.[/quote]
led zepplin more in lines of rock n’ roll than heavy metal… although sabbath started as sort of a blues band, zepplin “borrowed” and based their stuff almost entirely from american blues artist. sabbath do have elements of blues, but their approach ultimately stemmed from not wanting to be a blues cover or blues based band, so they played louder and faster than everyone else at the time… you can attribute aspects of zepplin and their influence in heavy metal, but no way their on same level as sabbath as the orginators of heavy metal…[/quote]
I beg to differ. It’s easy to make that evaluation based on how things sound today. Forty years ago, the line between hard rock and heavy metal was very blurry. Today, with metal having split off into so many sub-genres, it’s easy to make the claim you have made, yet the sub-genres make my point perfectly, in that Zep and Sabbath represented the new directions metal would take.
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i guess point i was trying to make is that when i think of metal i think sabbath over zepplin. zepplin is more blues/rock n roll to me, and though they might have had an influence on future heavy metal musicians, i’m saying they weren’t nearly as influencial as sabbath. zepplin i think, were more influencial on music in general across most genres. but as far as heavy metal, no question sabbath were thee pioneers…
In “Heavy Metal - A Headbanger’s Journey”, Geddy Lee of Rush made a case that the following song was the grandfather of all metal, despite not being an actual “metal” song. Thoughts?
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
In “Heavy Metal - A Headbanger’s Journey”, Geddy Lee of Rush made a case that the following song was the grandfather of all metal, despite not being an actual “metal” song. Thoughts?
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I remember that, Pimpy. But now that opens the door for further argument… and more splitting hairs (no pun intended).
Some say it was The Kinks’ “You Really Got Me.” Others say it was the Beatles’ “Revolution”.
Reminds me of the time worn argument of Punk’s roots.
After a while you’re thinking, “WHO CARES? LET’S ENJOY LISTENING!”
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
In “Heavy Metal - A Headbanger’s Journey”, Geddy Lee of Rush made a case that the following song was the grandfather of all metal, despite not being an actual “metal” song. Thoughts?
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I remember that, Pimpy. But now that opens the door for further argument… and more splitting hairs (no pun intended).
Some say it was The Kinks’ “You Really Got Me.” Others say it was the Beatles’ “Revolution”.
Reminds me of the time worn argument of Punk’s roots.
After a while you’re thinking, “WHO CARES? LET’S ENJOY LISTENING!”[/quote]
All I know is that Bill Ward couldn’t carry John Bonham’s drum sticks. If there is a better band with a worse drummer than Bill Ward out there, other than the Beatles, I haven’t heard them. The guy’s playing is so…empty.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
All I know is that Bill Ward couldn’t carry John Bonham’s drum sticks. If there is a better band with a worse drummer than Bill Ward out there, other than the Beatles, I haven’t heard them. The guy’s playing is so…empty.[/quote]
This is so DB. Bonham is arguably number 2 behind Peart for all-time greatest rock drummers, this doesn’t make Bill Ward a bad drummer or on par with fucking Ringo just because he isn’t one of the top two drummers of all time.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
All I know is that Bill Ward couldn’t carry John Bonham’s drum sticks. If there is a better band with a worse drummer than Bill Ward out there, other than the Beatles, I haven’t heard them. The guy’s playing is so…empty.[/quote]
Hair bands of the 80’s. All of them sucked. They could twirl the hell out of those sticks though.
Bonham was one of the greatest. Ward is like the best garage drummer from high school that actually made it.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
All I know is that Bill Ward couldn’t carry John Bonham’s drum sticks. If there is a better band with a worse drummer than Bill Ward out there, other than the Beatles, I haven’t heard them. The guy’s playing is so…empty.[/quote]
This is so DB. Bonham is arguably number 2 behind Peart for all-time greatest rock drummers, this doesn’t make Bill Ward a bad drummer or on par with fucking Ringo just because he isn’t one of the top two drummers of all time. [/quote]
Peart is a fag who never did anything Bonham couldn’t or didn’t already do. I’ll take Danny Carey from TOOL over Peart any day of the week. Peart’s greatest skill is his technical proficiency. But he NEVER had and never will have the feel for the groove that Bonham had. You can develop technicality and whatnot, but you can’t develop feel. Either you have it or you don’t.
Peart is a fucking piece of shit who has done his best to ruin music. He turned music into a fucking math problem when it is really about the visceral, emotional response that music sets off, something that Bonham could always elicit. And Bonham was still just as technical as Peart was. “Achilles’ Last Stand” and “Black Dog” are as progressive as anything Peart ever played on.
Listen to Rush pay live. Peart plays every song the same fucking way he does on record. You hear him play the same song ten times and he’s basically played it the same all ten times. Listen to ten different versions of Bonham playing something live and he plays it completely differently every time. Check out all the versions of “I Can’t Quit You Baby” on youtube.
Shit, Bonham was 20 years old when he recorded the drum part on “Good Times, Bad Times”. By the age of 20 he had already laid down a better drum track than Peart has ever laid down.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
All I know is that Bill Ward couldn’t carry John Bonham’s drum sticks. If there is a better band with a worse drummer than Bill Ward out there, other than the Beatles, I haven’t heard them. The guy’s playing is so…empty.[/quote]
This is so DB. Bonham is arguably number 2 behind Peart for all-time greatest rock drummers, this doesn’t make Bill Ward a bad drummer or on par with fucking Ringo just because he isn’t one of the top two drummers of all time. [/quote]
I talk to fellow drummers all the time about this. Without exception, drummers will tell you that figuring out how to play the parts that Bonham plays is a two-part endeavor: you have to develop the chops to do what he did, which is hard enough. But then you have to figure out how he gets the sound and feel that he does, which no one ever figures out. The best approximation I’ve seen of this is from Chad Smith. I’ve seen him play a couple Zeppelin covers and he nails them pretty consistently. And he still doesn’t approach Bonham’s level.
Once you figure out what notes Peart is playing, you have him figured out. Once you figure out WHAT notes Bonham plays, you have to figure out HOW he plays them. And some drummers will never develop the chops he had on the bass drum. Peart still isn’t as fast with the right foot as Bonham was half-drunk.
Laugh it up all you want, jj. The Seahawks may be the champs, but once baseball season rolls around you’ll be reminded just how pathetic the sports scene is up there in Seattle. While I’ll be watching the Warriors and the Giants play, you’ll be pushing pins into your fucking Kevin Durant doll and paying major league prices to go watch that AA team wearing Mariners uniforms.
I talk to fellow drummers all the time about this. Without exception, drummers will tell you that figuring out how to play the parts that Bonham plays is a two-part endeavor: you have to develop the chops to do what he did, which is hard enough. But then you have to figure out how he gets the sound and feel that he does, which no one ever figures out. The best approximation I’ve seen of this is from Chad Smith. I’ve seen him play a couple Zeppelin covers and he nails them pretty consistently. And he still doesn’t approach Bonham’s level.
Once you figure out what notes Peart is playing, you have him figured out. Once you figure out WHAT notes Bonham plays, you have to figure out HOW he plays them. And some drummers will never develop the chops he had on the bass drum. Peart still isn’t as fast with the right foot as Bonham was half-drunk.[/quote]
I’ve talked to a number of drummers about this as well. You get different answers from different drummers about their take on the GOAT. You are going to hear different things about the greats, and I’ve heard drummers mention Keith Moon and Stewart Copeland in the same breath as Bonham and Peart. I’ve never heard one of them describe Peart as an overrated fag who killed drumming.
I talk to fellow drummers all the time about this. Without exception, drummers will tell you that figuring out how to play the parts that Bonham plays is a two-part endeavor: you have to develop the chops to do what he did, which is hard enough. But then you have to figure out how he gets the sound and feel that he does, which no one ever figures out. The best approximation I’ve seen of this is from Chad Smith. I’ve seen him play a couple Zeppelin covers and he nails them pretty consistently. And he still doesn’t approach Bonham’s level.
Once you figure out what notes Peart is playing, you have him figured out. Once you figure out WHAT notes Bonham plays, you have to figure out HOW he plays them. And some drummers will never develop the chops he had on the bass drum. Peart still isn’t as fast with the right foot as Bonham was half-drunk.[/quote]
I’ve talked to a number of drummers about this as well. You get different answers from different drummers about their take on the GOAT. You are going to hear different things about the greats, and I’ve heard drummers mention Keith Moon and Stewart Copeland in the same breath as Bonham and Peart. I’ve never heard one of them describe Peart as an overrated fag who killed drumming. [/quote]
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Laugh it up all you want, jj. The Seahawks may be the champs, but once baseball season rolls around you’ll be reminded just how pathetic the sports scene is up there in Seattle. While I’ll be watching the Warriors and the Giants play, you’ll be pushing pins into your fucking Kevin Durant doll and paying major league prices to go watch that AA team wearing Mariners uniforms.[/quote]
Reigning Superbowl Champion Seattle Seahawks has a nice ring to it, don’t you think?
And while I appreciate your concern for my sports well being, summer is simply gorgeous here in the Pac NW. I just had the good folks at Foss Audio gut the stock stereo in my truck and put in a new super system so i can listen to my Rush collection from start to finish while on my way to some glorious outdoor activities–like waterskiing on the Columbia river–until football season rolls around again. Sorry California doesn’t have any fucking water to speak of.
