While HH’s numbers are not telling the whole story they do point out something. Something there is failing them. We as a country are failing them.
Does this mean that black people need a bailout? Failing them? You owe no one anything. I owe no one anything.
Its a choice to go to school. In Cleveland, near where I live, around one third of black students ever graduate from high school. Why? The school is there. ‘Bull’ Conner is not there with his dogs to keep them out. The school is free, public education. The students have IQs equal to the white kids. What’s the diff? The culture.
Want to succeed in America? Get an education, marry the mother of your children, act responsibly — its not rocket science guys.
And quit blaming whitey for not handing life to you on a platter.
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I agree with you that they need to stop blaming whitey. I think you missunderstand me when I say we failed them. We failed them by continueing to play the blame game. I agree with you that I owe them nothing as they owe me nothing.
You actually are keeping the black man down simply by virtue of being white in a society where that is an advantage. Your acceptance of this advantage rather than challenging it makes you complicit in oppression of black people. But lets ignore white privilege, the whole concept is not only way above your head and far too liberal for you, but will just incite a flamewar.
In all seriousness where in our society today…not 5, 10, or 50 years ago, but today does any person have an advantage due to their ethnicity? I’m not trying to make a joke I at all here.
I thank you for your candor and inquisitiveness.
There are huge advantages to being white in this society. Racism persists in many areas of US life: black people pay more for mortgages, are offered worse interest rates on everything from car loans to mortgages, are paid less wages for doing the same job, are offered jobs less frequently for the same credentials, are imprisoned more often and longer for the same crimes etc etc ad infinitum…
Now why am I banging on about this? Well just as whites often say cleaning up the black community of criminality is a black issue, can’t we say cleaning up the white community of racism should be a white issue? But it’s not. Because you guys don’t see it, and can’t fight it, we’ve got to step in. But when we try to point it out you often say “well I never saw that”. Of course not, it isn’t happening to you, and it isn’t as blatant as in past times. Only by taking a wider view–like that of deliberate sociological studies, or if you had access to the combined knowledge of the black community could you see what’s actually going on. Not talking about anyone here personally, I’m just saying in general it’s easy to miss these kinds of things.
By the same token shouldn’t whites have a role in helping blacks police their community as well? Don’t we have some kind of responsibility to each other to point out our flaws?
The only kind of racism a lot of white people see is affirmative action, which was put in place to counter the current covert racism and redress historical inequalities. Because it’s the most visible it becomes a big target, but I guarantee that’s just about the only advantage of being black in this country and even it comes with its downside.
So in a way I can’t fault white people for not knowing, it’s tough to see if you’re not the target of it. Even in the 1950s and 60s if you polled them a majority of white people would have said they thought racial equality had already been achieved. I say this not to make fun (although that IS hilarious) but to show that we all have blinders on when something isn’t happening to us. I’m trying to acknowledge it’s tough for ya’ll to see what we’re pointing out. But instead of arguing with us about shit that has happened TO US, just listen. If you wanna start on the road to racial harmony it’s that easy. Unfortunately it’s hard to talk about (or listen to discussions of) race in this society. But hopefully that will change.
John S. wrote:
Now I havn’t taken a look at the websites yet but about the cop thing. That is the Individual, Understand I am just as pissed as you are about someone being shot over trying to get there wallet.
PS those links don’t work
Links are fixed now
I would argue that it’s not an individual thing. It’s racist indoctrination that black men are scary or criminals. If you believe that, then in the heat of the moment when facing a black man who is potentially dangerous, you are just a tiny % chance more likely to pull the trigger. But over time and over multiple people that adds up to a lot of black men dead. And not just criminals. Undercover black cops are routinely shot dead by their colleagues. Try Malcolm Gladwell’s Blink for a good exploration of the topic. [/quote]
Thanks for all the info. I’m going to try and get through it, but it is gonna take a while.
So let me ask another question. Do you still think today with a Black president we need affirmative action? I am also curious about your take on schools with a majority black population such as Howard in DC. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Obviously there are schools with a majority of white student…my question is do you think that is a step backward or forward? Most schools have ethnicity quota’s to meet, but it doesn’t look like Howard does. Also I have an issue with scholarships. I mean searching for a scholarship as a white male is pretty tough. A lot of scholarships are designed for minorities. Isn’t this a step in the wrong direction…not saying a minority should go to college any less, but do you fix discrimination by discriminating?
You actually are keeping the black man down simply by virtue of being white in a society where that is an advantage. Your acceptance of this advantage rather than challenging it makes you complicit in oppression of black people. But lets ignore white privilege, the whole concept is not only way above your head and far too liberal for you, but will just incite a flamewar.
In all seriousness where in our society today…not 5, 10, or 50 years ago, but today does any person have an advantage due to their ethnicity? I’m not trying to make a joke I at all here.
I thank you for your candor and inquisitiveness.
There are huge advantages to being white in this society. Racism persists in many areas of US life: black people pay more for mortgages, are offered worse interest rates on everything from car loans to mortgages, are paid less wages for doing the same job, are offered jobs less frequently for the same credentials, are imprisoned more often and longer for the same crimes etc etc ad infinitum…
Now why am I banging on about this? Well just as whites often say cleaning up the black community of criminality is a black issue, can’t we say cleaning up the white community of racism should be a white issue? But it’s not. Because you guys don’t see it, and can’t fight it, we’ve got to step in. But when we try to point it out you often say “well I never saw that”. Of course not, it isn’t happening to you, and it isn’t as blatant as in past times. Only by taking a wider view–like that of deliberate sociological studies, or if you had access to the combined knowledge of the black community could you see what’s actually going on. Not talking about anyone here personally, I’m just saying in general it’s easy to miss these kinds of things.
By the same token shouldn’t whites have a role in helping blacks police their community as well? Don’t we have some kind of responsibility to each other to point out our flaws?
The only kind of racism a lot of white people see is affirmative action, which was put in place to counter the current covert racism and redress historical inequalities. Because it’s the most visible it becomes a big target, but I guarantee that’s just about the only advantage of being black in this country and even it comes with its downside.
So in a way I can’t fault white people for not knowing, it’s tough to see if you’re not the target of it. Even in the 1950s and 60s if you polled them a majority of white people would have said they thought racial equality had already been achieved. I say this not to make fun (although that IS hilarious) but to show that we all have blinders on when something isn’t happening to us. I’m trying to acknowledge it’s tough for ya’ll to see what we’re pointing out. But instead of arguing with us about shit that has happened TO US, just listen. If you wanna start on the road to racial harmony it’s that easy. Unfortunately it’s hard to talk about (or listen to discussions of) race in this society. But hopefully that will change.
John S. wrote:
Now I havn’t taken a look at the websites yet but about the cop thing. That is the Individual, Understand I am just as pissed as you are about someone being shot over trying to get there wallet.
PS those links don’t work
Links are fixed now
I would argue that it’s not an individual thing. It’s racist indoctrination that black men are scary or criminals. If you believe that, then in the heat of the moment when facing a black man who is potentially dangerous, you are just a tiny % chance more likely to pull the trigger. But over time and over multiple people that adds up to a lot of black men dead. And not just criminals. Undercover black cops are routinely shot dead by their colleagues. Try Malcolm Gladwell’s Blink for a good exploration of the topic. [/quote]
Some discrimination is based on statistical averages. Like it’s harder for men to get apartments or men are more often targeted as potential pedophiles or criminals. That’s based on the simple fact that good evidence indicates that men are,on average,somewhat more dangerous than women although most men are not. Liberals engage in that type of discriminatory thinking all the time. However,they do not make a racial distinction due to being liberals. They will act as if white,asian,hispanic,black men etc. are the same mold although blacks (and to a lesser extent hispanics) are drastically more likely to engage in criminal behaviour. Tens of thousands of white women are raped annually by blacks and a couple black women by whites for example. But do you think a self-protection instructor is going to teach women to be wary of ‘dark’ people as well as dark alleys? That’s the power of PC. And that is discrimination against whites and in favour of blacks if you will.
Some discrimination is based on statistical averages. Like it’s harder for men to get apartments or men are more often targeted as potential pedophiles or criminals. That’s based on the simple fact that good evidence indicates that men are,on average,somewhat more dangerous than women although most men are not. Liberals engage in that type of discriminatory thinking all the time. However,they do not make a racial distinction due to being liberals. They will act as if white,asian,hispanic,black men etc. are the same mold although blacks (and to a lesser extent hispanics) are drastically more likely to engage in criminal behaviour. Tens of thousands of white women are raped annually by blacks and a couple black women by whites for example. But do you think a self-protection instructor is going to teach women to be wary of ‘dark’ people as well as dark alleys? That’s the power of PC. And that is discrimination against whites and in favour of blacks if you will.
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Wow.
This was the biggest load of bullshit I’ve read…since the last thread I clicked on in this forum.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
<<<< Some discrimination is based on statistical averages. <<<>>> Tens of thousands of white women are raped annually by blacks and a couple black women by whites for example. >>>
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Here we have another guy who starts out with a valid point for 7 words and then degenerates into gross misrepresentation.
Tens of thousands and a couple?
Would it be too much to ask if you are going to cite statistics designed to paint black men as THOUSANDS of times more likely to rape a white women that you produce some documentation.
That’s an outrageous statement to just make as if it were common knowledge.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Some discrimination is based on statistical averages. Like it’s harder for men to get apartments or men are more often targeted as potential pedophiles or criminals. That’s based on the simple fact that good evidence indicates that men are,on average,somewhat more dangerous than women although most men are not. Liberals engage in that type of discriminatory thinking all the time. However,they do not make a racial distinction due to being liberals. They will act as if white,asian,hispanic,black men etc. are the same mold although blacks (and to a lesser extent hispanics) are drastically more likely to engage in criminal behaviour. Tens of thousands of white women are raped annually by blacks and a couple black women by whites for example. But do you think a self-protection instructor is going to teach women to be wary of ‘dark’ people as well as dark alleys? That’s the power of PC. And that is discrimination against whites and in favour of blacks if you will.
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Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary, even if the person walking toward you is a minister or college prof, or even a dental surgeon. You don’t know. Its better to assume the worst and be prepared if it happens.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary…
That’s exactly why every time a white male I don’t know tries to talk to to me, I run. Since, you know, 85% of all serial killers are white males.[/quote]
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary…
That’s exactly why every time a white male I don’t know tries to talk to to me, I run. Since, you know, 85% of all serial killers are white males.[/quote]
Not to mention that 96% of child abusers are male,and of those 70% are white.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary…
That’s exactly why every time a white male I don’t know tries to talk to to me, I run. Since, you know, 85% of all serial killers are white males.
Not to mention that 96% of child abusers are male,and of those 70% are white.
So you can use statistics to say any stupid amount of shit you care to imagine.[/quote]
The stats focusing on rape are the hardest to even confirm. How many of those rapes were confirmed with DNA evidence?
Does that take into account the people being set free from prison based on DNA evidence that proves they didn’t do it?
If race is the focus for which some of these people place blame of criminal acts, why do they then act as if is strange that blacks feel the need to defend their own race?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary…
That’s exactly why every time a white male I don’t know tries to talk to to me, I run. Since, you know, 85% of all serial killers are white males.
Not to mention that 96% of child abusers are male,and of those 70% are white.
So you can use statistics to say any stupid amount of shit you care to imagine.
The stats focusing on rape are the hardest to even confirm. How many of those rapes were confirmed with DNA evidence?
Does that take into account the people being set free from prison based on DNA evidence that proves they didn’t do it?
If race is the focus for which some of these people place blame of criminal acts, why do they then act as if is strange that blacks feel the need to defend their own race?
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Well,it’s ‘common sense’,don’t you know?
Common sense is not really so common,as we can see.
Does my head in…and the problem with replying to the idiocy is that there is a never ending barrage of it.
You actually are keeping the black man down simply by virtue of being white in a society where that is an advantage. Your acceptance of this advantage rather than challenging it makes you complicit in oppression of black people. But lets ignore white privilege, the whole concept is not only way above your head and far too liberal for you, but will just incite a flamewar.
In all seriousness where in our society today…not 5, 10, or 50 years ago, but today does any person have an advantage due to their ethnicity? I’m not trying to make a joke I at all here.
I thank you for your candor and inquisitiveness.
There are huge advantages to being white in this society. Racism persists in many areas of US life: black people pay more for mortgages, are offered worse interest rates on everything from car loans to mortgages, are paid less wages for doing the same job, are offered jobs less frequently for the same credentials, are imprisoned more often and longer for the same crimes etc etc ad infinitum…
Now why am I banging on about this? Well just as whites often say cleaning up the black community of criminality is a black issue, can’t we say cleaning up the white community of racism should be a white issue? But it’s not. Because you guys don’t see it, and can’t fight it, we’ve got to step in. But when we try to point it out you often say “well I never saw that”. Of course not, it isn’t happening to you, and it isn’t as blatant as in past times. Only by taking a wider view–like that of deliberate sociological studies, or if you had access to the combined knowledge of the black community could you see what’s actually going on. Not talking about anyone here personally, I’m just saying in general it’s easy to miss these kinds of things.
By the same token shouldn’t whites have a role in helping blacks police their community as well? Don’t we have some kind of responsibility to each other to point out our flaws?
The only kind of racism a lot of white people see is affirmative action, which was put in place to counter the current covert racism and redress historical inequalities. Because it’s the most visible it becomes a big target, but I guarantee that’s just about the only advantage of being black in this country and even it comes with its downside.
So in a way I can’t fault white people for not knowing, it’s tough to see if you’re not the target of it. Even in the 1950s and 60s if you polled them a majority of white people would have said they thought racial equality had already been achieved. I say this not to make fun (although that IS hilarious) but to show that we all have blinders on when something isn’t happening to us. I’m trying to acknowledge it’s tough for ya’ll to see what we’re pointing out. But instead of arguing with us about shit that has happened TO US, just listen. If you wanna start on the road to racial harmony it’s that easy. Unfortunately it’s hard to talk about (or listen to discussions of) race in this society. But hopefully that will change.
John S. wrote:
Now I havn’t taken a look at the websites yet but about the cop thing. That is the Individual, Understand I am just as pissed as you are about someone being shot over trying to get there wallet.
PS those links don’t work
Links are fixed now
I would argue that it’s not an individual thing. It’s racist indoctrination that black men are scary or criminals. If you believe that, then in the heat of the moment when facing a black man who is potentially dangerous, you are just a tiny % chance more likely to pull the trigger. But over time and over multiple people that adds up to a lot of black men dead. And not just criminals. Undercover black cops are routinely shot dead by their colleagues. Try Malcolm Gladwell’s Blink for a good exploration of the topic.
Some discrimination is based on statistical averages. Like it’s harder for men to get apartments or men are more often targeted as potential pedophiles or criminals. That’s based on the simple fact that good evidence indicates that men are,on average,somewhat more dangerous than women although most men are not. Liberals engage in that type of discriminatory thinking all the time. However,they do not make a racial distinction due to being liberals. They will act as if white,asian,hispanic,black men etc. are the same mold although blacks (and to a lesser extent hispanics) are drastically more likely to engage in criminal behaviour. Tens of thousands of white women are raped annually by blacks and a couple black women by whites for example. But do you think a self-protection instructor is going to teach women to be wary of ‘dark’ people as well as dark alleys? That’s the power of PC. And that is discrimination against whites and in favour of blacks if you will.
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Congratulations. This post was SO stupid it made me want to leave these forums forever. Instead of responding I’m going to pretend I never saw this and you can come back and try again when you’re ready to not fuck it up.
You actually are keeping the black man down simply by virtue of being white in a society where that is an advantage. Your acceptance of this advantage rather than challenging it makes you complicit in oppression of black people. But lets ignore white privilege, the whole concept is not only way above your head and far too liberal for you, but will just incite a flamewar.
In all seriousness where in our society today…not 5, 10, or 50 years ago, but today does any person have an advantage due to their ethnicity? I’m not trying to make a joke I at all here.
I thank you for your candor and inquisitiveness.
There are huge advantages to being white in this society. Racism persists in many areas of US life: black people pay more for mortgages, are offered worse interest rates on everything from car loans to mortgages, are paid less wages for doing the same job, are offered jobs less frequently for the same credentials, are imprisoned more often and longer for the same crimes etc etc ad infinitum…
Now why am I banging on about this? Well just as whites often say cleaning up the black community of criminality is a black issue, can’t we say cleaning up the white community of racism should be a white issue? But it’s not. Because you guys don’t see it, and can’t fight it, we’ve got to step in. But when we try to point it out you often say “well I never saw that”. Of course not, it isn’t happening to you, and it isn’t as blatant as in past times. Only by taking a wider view–like that of deliberate sociological studies, or if you had access to the combined knowledge of the black community could you see what’s actually going on. Not talking about anyone here personally, I’m just saying in general it’s easy to miss these kinds of things.
By the same token shouldn’t whites have a role in helping blacks police their community as well? Don’t we have some kind of responsibility to each other to point out our flaws?
The only kind of racism a lot of white people see is affirmative action, which was put in place to counter the current covert racism and redress historical inequalities. Because it’s the most visible it becomes a big target, but I guarantee that’s just about the only advantage of being black in this country and even it comes with its downside.
So in a way I can’t fault white people for not knowing, it’s tough to see if you’re not the target of it. Even in the 1950s and 60s if you polled them a majority of white people would have said they thought racial equality had already been achieved. I say this not to make fun (although that IS hilarious) but to show that we all have blinders on when something isn’t happening to us. I’m trying to acknowledge it’s tough for ya’ll to see what we’re pointing out. But instead of arguing with us about shit that has happened TO US, just listen. If you wanna start on the road to racial harmony it’s that easy. Unfortunately it’s hard to talk about (or listen to discussions of) race in this society. But hopefully that will change.
John S. wrote:
Now I havn’t taken a look at the websites yet but about the cop thing. That is the Individual, Understand I am just as pissed as you are about someone being shot over trying to get there wallet.
PS those links don’t work
Links are fixed now
I would argue that it’s not an individual thing. It’s racist indoctrination that black men are scary or criminals. If you believe that, then in the heat of the moment when facing a black man who is potentially dangerous, you are just a tiny % chance more likely to pull the trigger. But over time and over multiple people that adds up to a lot of black men dead. And not just criminals. Undercover black cops are routinely shot dead by their colleagues. Try Malcolm Gladwell’s Blink for a good exploration of the topic.
Thanks for all the info. I’m going to try and get through it, but it is gonna take a while.
So let me ask another question. Do you still think today with a Black president we need affirmative action?
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The one has little–or nothing–to do with the other. The election of our first black president will have very real effects on the way blacks see America, the way whites see blacks, and the way foreigners see the US (if you check the polls you’ll see this is all true). But what it will not do is automatically change the racial status quo. Black people might be more inclined to believe they’re getting a fair shake than previously because of Obama’s example, but the barriers in the way of black success are still myriad. The election of Obama has done nothing–in and of itself–to address the historical or current trends of discrimination we see in the US today. The links provided previously are just as accurate now as they were on Nov 3rd, if you follow my meaning.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I am also curious about your take on schools with a majority black population such as Howard in DC. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Obviously there are schools with a majority of white student…my question is do you think that is a step backward or forward? Most schools have ethnicity quota’s to meet, but it doesn’t look like Howard does.
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Well these schools were founded at a time when education for blacks was heavily restricted. I think people should have freedom of association, and you should be able to create a university for whatever ethnic/religious group you like. But there shouldn’t be exclusionary policies preventing other people from attending. Think of it this way: Howard gives black people a space where they are free to associate with their own people exclusively. Being ~70% of the population, most white people get this by default. But Howard should in no way prevent or discourage whites or other races from attending–though its status as an HBCU likely already does that quite nicely. As long as noone is prevented from attending Duke because it’s a Catholic school or Howard because it’s a black school I think it’s ok. I think you run into issues with mandatory segregation, like girls/boys schools. I think you should have to prove there is an educational benefit to separating groups.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Also I have an issue with scholarships. I mean searching for a scholarship as a white male is pretty tough. A lot of scholarships are designed for minorities. Isn’t this a step in the wrong direction…not saying a minority should go to college any less, but do you fix discrimination by discriminating?
Well this discrimination was put into place to counter past and current discrimination. How can you undo the effects of past discrimination without discriminating in the opposite direction? It’d be awesome if we could give up affirmative action, but how can you preferentially lift up a distinct group of people to get them on par with everyone else without discriminating?
Of course the system has flaws. Often AA helps everyone but the poor disadvantaged blacks and other minorities it’s supposed to. They get weeded out by life before they even get there. So it’s rich blacks often getting unfair advantages over poor whites, or women getting advantages over men. So it’s not perfect, and I’d argue most of the desired beneficiaries are weeded out before they even get to the application stage. Unfortunately it’s all we’ve got, and whenever it’s temporarily relaxed, black admission rates drop, which is the opposite of what we’re trying to achieve.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Alffi wrote:
Some discrimination is based on statistical averages. Like it’s harder for men to get apartments or men are more often targeted as potential pedophiles or criminals. That’s based on the simple fact that good evidence indicates that men are,on average,somewhat more dangerous than women although most men are not. Liberals engage in that type of discriminatory thinking all the time. However,they do not make a racial distinction due to being liberals. They will act as if white,asian,hispanic,black men etc. are the same mold although blacks (and to a lesser extent hispanics) are drastically more likely to engage in criminal behaviour. Tens of thousands of white women are raped annually by blacks and a couple black women by whites for example. But do you think a self-protection instructor is going to teach women to be wary of ‘dark’ people as well as dark alleys? That’s the power of PC. And that is discrimination against whites and in favour of blacks if you will.
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary, even if the person walking toward you is a minister or college prof, or even a dental surgeon. You don’t know. Its better to assume the worst and be prepared if it happens.
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You’re killin me man.
How can you defend in an unqualified manner as common sense the assertion that not only are “tens of thousands” of white women raped annually by black men, but also that only “a couple” does that mean 2, black women are raped by white men?
The first sentence of this guy’s post and SOME of how he ties it in is undeniable. When people see a certain type of person being involved in serious street crime its asking quite a bit for them to entirely ignore that in their daily life. I don’t know what to say, even blacks in this area when polled are more likely to be apprehensive around other blacks they don’t know than they are around whites they don’t know. These are people who live in and around Detroit.
It is however an unforgivable leap to say that tens of thousands of white women are raped by black men while there are only a couple incidents the other way. That’s not even close to true even here in Detroit. The fact is most violent crime is black on black.
You’re gonna probably say that you weren’t defending that part of the post, but only the idea that people are naturally conditioned to view as dangerous that which, regardless of the reason, has a history of being so.
So why not just say that?
The dark people, dark alley thing betrays this guys stance in my view. Not only is quipping like that a giveaway it’s dangerous. No reliable self protection instructor is going to specify what kind of people to beware. It makes them more vulnerable to the other people.
I’ve already gone into all the reasons why I believe the violent crimes stats are what they are 100 times, but I’m sure that won’t deter the charge of racism for me either.
LOL. By minorities, you must have meant “non-Asian minorities.” Asians always conspicuously seem to avoid any negative effects of racial discrimination, outperforming majority whites in every category. Oh well. The first Washington Post article was written in 2005, when loans were being given away like candy due, in part, to the government’s assault on “discriminatory” lending standards (again, that never seem to discriminate against Asians). Look where we are in 2008!
LOL. By minorities, you must have meant “non-Asian minorities.” Asians always conspicuously seem to avoid any negative effects of racial discrimination, outperforming majority whites in every category. Oh well. The first Washington Post article was written in 2005, when loans were being given away like candy due, in part, to the government’s assault on “discriminatory” lending standards (again, that never seem to discriminate against Asians). Look where we are in 2008! [/quote]
Really I meant black people, but what holds true for blacks usually holds true for other NAM so I guess you could say that. Really the thread isn’t about asians though so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
valiance. wrote:
[A whole bunch of good stuff.]
I’m impressed. Much respect to you, sir.[/quote]
ty, always glad to know when someone appreciates it
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary…
That’s exactly why every time a white male I don’t know tries to talk to to me, I run. Since, you know, 85% of all serial killers are white males.[/quote]
How many murders do serial killers account for? You also have to adjust that to population. Hispanics are often counted as whites while blacks are 13% of the population but make up up to 22% of the serial killers,which is disproportionately much. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A20069-2002Oct26¬Found=true
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary…
That’s exactly why every time a white male I don’t know tries to talk to to me, I run. Since, you know, 85% of all serial killers are white males.
Not to mention that 96% of child abusers are male,and of those 70% are white.
So you can use statistics to say any stupid amount of shit you care to imagine.[/quote]I thought this was about race rather than sex but child abuse comprises more than simple molestation. Women may be more likely to kill their own children but that’s another issue.
Whites make up 80% of the population so saying that 70% are white is no reason for collective shame.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Alffi wrote:
<<<< Some discrimination is based on statistical averages. <<<>>> Tens of thousands of white women are raped annually by blacks and a couple black women by whites for example. >>>
Here we have another guy who starts out with a valid point for 7 words and then degenerates into gross misrepresentation.
Tens of thousands and a couple?
Would it be too much to ask if you are going to cite statistics designed to paint black men as THOUSANDS of times more likely to rape a white women that you produce some documentation.
That’s an outrageous statement to just make as if it were common knowledge.[/quote]
Technical:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Common sense answer. If 85% of some crime is done by a particular group, it is good to be wary…
That’s exactly why every time a white male I don’t know tries to talk to to me, I run. Since, you know, 85% of all serial killers are white males.
Not to mention that 96% of child abusers are male,and of those 70% are white.
So you can use statistics to say any stupid amount of shit you care to imagine.I thought this was about race rather than sex but child abuse comprises more than simple molestation. Women may be more likely to kill their own children but that’s another issue.
Whites make up 80% of the population so saying that 70% are white is no reason for collective shame.
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No,this was about the use of stats to support certain viewpoints.Read more carefully.
I have no ‘collective shame’.Criminal acts are the acts of individuals,not of some racial or gender grouping.
