[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
And rock is…?
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Listen Kanye is an amazingly tallented rapper. However he uses a ton of profanity, raps about sex, and being rich, and says the n word a ton.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but unless you are expecting Christian Rock, everything you just wrote can be applied to Rock and Pop music. Why would you single out Hip Hop for so much insult?
As far as your kid, that is a decision you will have to make. I would avoid obscene words in the car and you can download EDITED versions of most songs now so you don’t have much of an excuse.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
You are showing you age. Lol. Will smith is an actor to the majority that know him.
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? There are TONS more. No one has heard of Outkast? if someone doesn’t know one it is because they don’t want to. NO OTHER REASON.[/quote]
I agree with you 100%. But the ones that get the most play are negitive ones. it would be like finding that person that is like I hate country music except for outlaw country. If 90% is shit you don’t want to hear then you arn’t going to dig for the 10% that is decent. [/quote]
?
So I should base my opinion of all available music on what I hear on the radio?
Dude, many people don’t even listen to radio anymore. I know I don’t so using that as an excuse for ignorance of an entire genre of music no longer works.
The radio can fuck itself for all I care since most of my music is on mp3 that I downloaded myself after hearing clips of the music.[/quote]
Your exclusive choices change absolutely nothing about a genre. The fact you feel the need to filter certainly holds an implication however. In fact, you would be guilty of “culturism”.[/quote]
? So you listen to all music with no “filter”? Because I like some hip hop music I should like all of it?
You aren’t making much sense with that one…but who are we kidding. That’s normal for you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
You don’t have to dig in the age of internet media…and internet merchants. You could take your 90/10 argument based on whats played the most…and apply it to ANY music genre. [/quote]
wait…so Justin Beiber doesn’t represent ALL young white males???[/quote]
Can we cut the bullshit please. Its like we’re having 2 conpletly different conversations.
The only thing going on is you don’t want to acknowlede that the majority of the public has only been exposed to negitive rap and that those artist that make that type of music seem to have the most fans. Those artist portray a image that many disagree with and that image is what sells their records.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
You don’t have to dig in the age of internet media…and internet merchants. You could take your 90/10 argument based on whats played the most…and apply it to ANY music genre. [/quote]
wait…so Justin Beiber doesn’t represent ALL young white males???[/quote]
Can we cut the bullshit please. Its like we’re having 2 conpletly different conversations.
The only thing going on is you don’t want to acknowlede that the majority of the public has only been exposed to negitive rap and that those artist that make that type of music seem to have the most fans. Those artist portray a image that many disagree with and that image is what sells their records. [/quote]
Didnt we go through this with Rock back in the 80’s? and the 50’s?
What is popular in music is whatever pisses off kids parents the most.
I thought everyone knew this.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Listen Kanye is an amazingly tallented rapper. However he uses a ton of profanity, raps about sex, and being rich, and says the n word a ton.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but unless you are expecting Christian Rock, everything you just wrote can be applied to Rock and Pop music. Why would you single out Hip Hop for so much insult?
As far as your kid, that is a decision you will have to make. I would avoid obscene words in the car and you can download EDITED versions of most songs now so you don’t have much of an excuse. [/quote]
Cherry picking still doesn’t change a genre. I believe he agreed that other counter culture genres cultivate similar societal reactions too. His specific examples were punk rock and outlaw country.
Nobody denies music genres pervay certain images but you in regards to rap which is why rap is being “singled out”. This is not institutionalized racism, don’t worry.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
The only thing going on is you don’t want to acknowlede that the majority of the public has only been exposed to negitive rap and that those artist that make that type of music seem to have the most fans. Those artist portray a image that many disagree with and that image is what sells their records. [/quote]
LOL.
My point is that you see what you want and that is biased. If Kanye West is the top selling artist and does NOT write “gangsta rap”, you start to lose points about how criminal it all is. If the guy winning all of the awards IS NOT acting like a “negative criminal” and doesn’t even dress in anything but Polo shirts and suits, what you are describing is your own bias.
say hello to it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
You are showing you age. Lol. Will smith is an actor to the majority that know him.
[/quote]
? There are TONS more. No one has heard of Outkast? if someone doesn’t know one it is because they don’t want to. NO OTHER REASON.[/quote]
I agree with you 100%. But the ones that get the most play are negitive ones. it would be like finding that person that is like I hate country music except for outlaw country. If 90% is shit you don’t want to hear then you arn’t going to dig for the 10% that is decent. [/quote]
?
So I should base my opinion of all available music on what I hear on the radio?
Dude, many people don’t even listen to radio anymore. I know I don’t so using that as an excuse for ignorance of an entire genre of music no longer works.
The radio can fuck itself for all I care since most of my music is on mp3 that I downloaded myself after hearing clips of the music.[/quote]
Your exclusive choices change absolutely nothing about a genre. The fact you feel the need to filter certainly holds an implication however. In fact, you would be guilty of “culturism”.[/quote]
? So you listen to all music with no “filter”? Because I like some hip hop music I should like all of it?
You aren’t making much sense with that one…but who are we kidding. That’s normal for you.[/quote]
No, what is normal is you run out of bullshit, shift semantically and then crawfish out of your original argument.
Nobody denies a few rap artists are “clean”, the issue is that the rap scene, the industry in charge of the overall message to the public, presents a product of violence, drugs et cetera. You are simply shifting out from under your original statement.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Listen Kanye is an amazingly tallented rapper. However he uses a ton of profanity, raps about sex, and being rich, and says the n word a ton.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but unless you are expecting Christian Rock, everything you just wrote can be applied to Rock and Pop music. Why would you single out Hip Hop for so much insult?
As far as your kid, that is a decision you will have to make. I would avoid obscene words in the car and you can download EDITED versions of most songs now so you don’t have much of an excuse. [/quote]
Cherry picking still doesn’t change a genre. [/quote]
This statement is nonsense unless I can take one single song from every genre that will represent all that the genre has to offer. Otherwise, acknowledging the differences within a genre can by no means be called “cherry picking”.
Your arguments are turning real childish again. I am guessing some 17 year old somewhere thinks you are a freaking genius though.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Listen Kanye is an amazingly tallented rapper. However he uses a ton of profanity, raps about sex, and being rich, and says the n word a ton.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but unless you are expecting Christian Rock, everything you just wrote can be applied to Rock and Pop music. Why would you single out Hip Hop for so much insult?
As far as your kid, that is a decision you will have to make. I would avoid obscene words in the car and you can download EDITED versions of most songs now so you don’t have much of an excuse. [/quote]
I would agree again, but I thought we were talking about rap? Also you gave a specific example for a specific artist you supplied.
I don’t know why you want to argue with me?
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it. [/quote]Should we define genre? And image?
There have been plenty of wars against rockers from people. Ozzy, Marilyn
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Listen Kanye is an amazingly tallented rapper. However he uses a ton of profanity, raps about sex, and being rich, and says the n word a ton.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but unless you are expecting Christian Rock, everything you just wrote can be applied to Rock and Pop music. Why would you single out Hip Hop for so much insult?
As far as your kid, that is a decision you will have to make. I would avoid obscene words in the car and you can download EDITED versions of most songs now so you don’t have much of an excuse. [/quote]
Cherry picking still doesn’t change a genre. [/quote]
This statement is nonsense unless I can take one single song from every genre that will represent all that the genre has to offer. Otherwise, acknowledging the differences within a genre can by no means be called “cherry picking”.
Your arguments are turning real childish again. I am guessing some 17 year old somewhere thinks you are a freaking genius though.[/quote]
Right, picking like 1 in 10 arguments supporting the exception to the rule as the rule would give a false definition of overriding image. Looks like I found my 17 year old.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
The only thing going on is you don’t want to acknowlede that the majority of the public has only been exposed to negitive rap and that those artist that make that type of music seem to have the most fans. Those artist portray a image that many disagree with and that image is what sells their records. [/quote]
LOL.
My point is that you see what you want and that is biased. If Kanye West is the top selling artist and does NOT write “gangsta rap”, you start to lose points about how criminal it all is. If the guy winning all of the awards IS NOT acting like a “negative criminal” and doesn’t even dress in anything but Polo shirts and suits, what you are describing is your own bias.
say hello to it.[/quote]
This is not my bias I like his music and don’t assume anything about him above what he says in his music. Personally I like hard stuff like tip and acehood. It much more arrogant and really gets me focused for lifting and cardio.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it. [/quote]Should we define genre? And image?
[/quote]
Should we define culture…bias??
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it. [/quote]Should we define genre? And image?
[/quote]
Should we define culture…bias??[/quote]
Sure. Then let’s define objective and application.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
The only thing going on is you don’t want to acknowlede that the majority of the public has only been exposed to negitive rap and that those artist that make that type of music seem to have the most fans. Those artist portray a image that many disagree with and that image is what sells their records. [/quote]
LOL.
My point is that you see what you want and that is biased. If Kanye West is the top selling artist and does NOT write “gangsta rap”, you start to lose points about how criminal it all is. If the guy winning all of the awards IS NOT acting like a “negative criminal” and doesn’t even dress in anything but Polo shirts and suits, what you are describing is your own bias.
say hello to it.[/quote]
This is not my bias I like his music and don’t assume anything about him above what he says in his music. Personally I like hard stuff like tip and acehood. It much more arrogant and really gets me focused for lifting and cardio.
[/quote]
I’ve always liked southern fried rap myself. UGK, 3 6 Mafia, Geto Boys… Murder by UGK has been on my playlist lately.
Candy Paint, I think by Bone Thugs, is more my personal preference for working out though. I like a groove better than a “jolt”.
/digression
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it. [/quote]Should we define genre? And image?
[/quote]
Should we define culture…bias??[/quote]
Sure. Then let’s define objective and application.[/quote]
Go ahead…because that’s what was misconstrued in the first place with Prof X’s original statement about rap music.
So rap music as a gernerate is conpletly innocent and undeserving of the stereo types that some choose to subscribe too?