[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it. [/quote]Should we define genre? And image?
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Should we define culture…bias??[/quote]
Sure. Then let’s define objective and application.[/quote]
Go ahead…because that’s what was misconstrued in the first place with Prof X’s original statement about rap music. [/quote]
And now we are back to defining genre and image. Let’s throw in perception, rule and exception.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
So rap music as a generate is completely innocent and undeserving of the stereo types that some choose to subscribe too? [/quote]
Yes?? shrug Because “some” means “sum” as…in…“whole”…right??
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it. [/quote]Should we define genre? And image?
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Should we define culture…bias??[/quote]
Sure. Then let’s define objective and application.[/quote]
Go ahead…because that’s what was misconstrued in the first place with Prof X’s original statement about rap music. [/quote]
And now we are back to defining genre and image. Let’s throw in perception, rule and exception.[/quote]
Perception…rule…exception. Hmmm…sounds likes the roots of culture and bias.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
So rap music as a generate is completely innocent and undeserving of the stereo types that some choose to subscribe too? [/quote]
Yes?? shrug Because “some” means “sum” as…in…“whole”…right??[/quote]
Ok seriously, look up genre.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
The only thing going on is you don’t want to acknowlede that the majority of the public has only been exposed to negitive rap and that those artist that make that type of music seem to have the most fans. Those artist portray a image that many disagree with and that image is what sells their records. [/quote]
LOL.
My point is that you see what you want and that is biased. If Kanye West is the top selling artist and does NOT write “gangsta rap”, you start to lose points about how criminal it all is. If the guy winning all of the awards IS NOT acting like a “negative criminal” and doesn’t even dress in anything but Polo shirts and suits, what you are describing is your own bias.
say hello to it.[/quote]
This is not my bias I like his music and don’t assume anything about him above what he says in his music. Personally I like hard stuff like tip and acehood. It much more arrogant and really gets me focused for lifting and cardio.
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I’ve always liked southern fried rap myself. UGK, 3 6 Mafia, Geto Boys… Murder by UGK has been on my playlist lately.
Candy Paint, I think by Bone Thugs, is more my personal preference for working out though. I like a groove better than a “jolt”.
/digression[/quote]
Some good stuff you listed there as well. Rather change the subject anyway.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Rap culture is absolutely violent, derogatory, anti-social, pro-crime and especially pro-drug use as a rule with a handful of exceptions and arguing otherwise is simply intentionally contrarian.[/quote]
Just to soothe your ego…I will bite.
What you call “contrarian” still negates the FACT(number of exceptions argued) that ALL rap MUSIC isn’t defined by what you listed. And if you want to stick by that,fine. BUT if you want to get technical…80-90% of all popular music can be defined by the same list of things. Arguing THAT would be contrarian my friend. [/quote]
I don’t care who compares to what, in regards to rules and exceptions the rap genre is exceedingly negative. Only now the discussion is taking a semantic shift to “well some rap isn’t like that”.
Nice pretense though, very dis-associative.[/quote]
LOL at you…the whole argument is about semantics…based on one’s own personal “culturalism” and personal tastes. Dis-associative is easy to throw around in this…almost as a copout,imo. But to each it’s own. You can’t argue ALL…if the WHOLE does not apply. No matter how you twist it. [/quote]Should we define genre? And image?
[/quote]
Should we define culture…bias??[/quote]
Sure. Then let’s define objective and application.[/quote]
Go ahead…because that’s what was misconstrued in the first place with Prof X’s original statement about rap music. [/quote]
And now we are back to defining genre and image. Let’s throw in perception, rule and exception.[/quote]
Perception…rule…exception. Hmmm…sounds likes the roots of culture and bias. [/quote]
And then we come back to objective and application.
Speaking of changing the subject
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
So rap music as a generate is completely innocent and undeserving of the stereo types that some choose to subscribe too? [/quote]
Yes?? shrug Because “some” means “sum” as…in…“whole”…right??[/quote]
Everyone has this bias? I really don’t understand. Your acting like one of the largest selling segments didn’t brand itself gangster rap? The image you are bitching people lumping all of rap into is a result of the artist that were/are most successful.
I get the original point x was making, but just because someone has acquired a bias doesn’t mean it is unwarranted to apply it.
There are 2 arguments going on but we are not directly discussing the one that is pushing this convo forward.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
There are 2 arguments going on but we are not directly discussing the one that is pushing this convo forward. [/quote]
This will happen with PX. As initial arguments run out of steam he will make a Captain Obvious statement, apply it to the original comments and then assume that because nobody disagrees with his loosely related new point his original point is validated too and any argument to the original point that doesn’t match the new point are invalid as well.
Most people don’t rely so heavily on a strawman though.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
So rap music as a generate is completely innocent and undeserving of the stereo types that some choose to subscribe too? [/quote]
Yes?? shrug Because “some” means “sum” as…in…“whole”…right??[/quote]
Everyone has this bias? I really don’t understand. Your acting like one of the largest selling segments didn’t brand itself gangster rap? The image you are bitching people lumping all of rap into is a result of the artist that were/are most successful.
I get the original point x was making, but just because someone has acquired a bias doesn’t mean it is unwarranted to apply it. [/quote]
Nor is it unwarranted to argue it either. What you state is true about that segment…doesn’t mean everyone unfamiliar and/or who dislike rap in the first place get to define it as a whole. That was my only point…when you chose to use a segment of country music to counter his statement about rap being stereotyped. Was just pointing out the fault in that counter-argument.
Popular is what gets the money…so…it fits in with all “negative” cultural trends…MTV…cringe worthy crap. Teen pregnancy…sex…drugs…etc…etc. People eat that shit up…regardless of its immoral qualities. More about mainstream culture…than it is about rap culture,imo.
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves. [/quote]
Rap, as a genre, would be the Jerry Springer of the music world; propogating and profiting off of the bullshit.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves. [/quote]
No…it doesn’t. Those individuals that promote themselves in that negative light deserve the reputation as an artist…not the genre. Most(not all) people who use broad paintbrush…usually don’t like rap in general to begin with…just saying.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves. [/quote]
No…it doesn’t. Those individuals that promote themselves in that negative light deserve the reputation as an artist…not the genre. Most(not all) people who use broad paintbrush…usually don’t like rap in general to begin with…just saying.
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Do you even like this genre of music BB?
How is the little one doing? Running around yet?
In the past there was a deeply concieved notion that rap music as a whole was just inherently negative. Nowadays you cannot roll with that idea because so many different artists are out there who rap and do not represent that image. Lupe Fiasco, Common, Outkast, Mos Def, Talib Kwali, GRITS among many others.
I listen to all types of music and you could pigeon hole rock, Metal, hardcore, death metal all into being just totally negative, surly generes of music and that wouldn’t be accurate. There is a TON of positive metal and hardcore out there.
It all comes down to what the record companies want you to see and what you choose to believe, but even recording companies don’t want every artist to be of the same vein. Varitey sells.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves. [/quote]
No…it doesn’t. Those individuals that promote themselves in that negative light deserve the reputation as an artist…not the genre. Most(not all) people who use broad paintbrush…usually don’t like rap in general to begin with…just saying.
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If the majority of what they are exposed to is offensive to them then they have that option to no possibly risk being offended again. You are lumping all people that don’t like rap and painting it as though it is unearned bias which I don’t agree with.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves. [/quote]
No…it doesn’t. Those individuals that promote themselves in that negative light deserve the reputation as an artist…not the genre. Most(not all) people who use broad paintbrush…usually don’t like rap in general to begin with…just saying.
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If the majority of what they are exposed to is offensive to them then they have that option to no possibly risk being offended again. You are lumping all people that don’t like rap and painting it as though it is unearned bias which I don’t agree with. [/quote]
Not to mention counter-intuitive.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves. [/quote]
No…it doesn’t. Those individuals that promote themselves in that negative light deserve the reputation as an artist…not the genre. Most(not all) people who use broad paintbrush…usually don’t like rap in general to begin with…just saying.
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If the majority of what they are exposed to is offensive to them then they have that option to no possibly risk being offended again. You are lumping all people that don’t like rap and painting it as though it is unearned bias which I don’t agree with. [/quote]
LOL…be careful…you’re closing in on hypocrite territory. This whole argument was against “lumping” all things negative into rap as a whole. Im just recognizing that a good portion(not all…as I cleared up already) of people who have negative view of rap…dislike the music period. Are they wrong if that’s all their exposed to??? NO…with respect to their perspective. So yes…it is earned…as all opinions are. But that’s all in relation to their amount of “exposure.”
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I agree it is in every part of our culture but I think rap for the most part has the reputation it wants and deserves. [/quote]
No…it doesn’t. Those individuals that promote themselves in that negative light deserve the reputation as an artist…not the genre. Most(not all) people who use broad paintbrush…usually don’t like rap in general to begin with…just saying.
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If the majority of what they are exposed to is offensive to them then they have that option to no possibly risk being offended again. You are lumping all people that don’t like rap and painting it as though it is unearned bias which I don’t agree with. [/quote]
LOL…be careful…you’re closing in on hypocrite territory. This whole argument was against “lumping” all things negative into rap as a whole. Im just recognizing that a good portion(not all…as I cleared up already) of people who have negative view of rap…dislike the music period. Are they wrong if that’s all their exposed to??? NO…with respect to their perspective. So yes…it is earned…as all opinions are. But that’s all in relation to their amount of “exposure.”[/quote]
yet a broad sampling of rap would leave the overwhelming perception of a listener shaded with violence, derogatory points of view, drug use and criminality.
