I know there was a thread about BJJ questions, but I can’t find it, nor can I find any answers on youtube. It’s hard to know if names for moves are real or things we’ve just made up at the academy. Anyway I’ve been having a ridiculous problem trying to pass newish white belt guards.
So mostly No Gi. I’ll get them open, then go to stack, but I’m still working on creating enough pressure, so sometimes they can still defend. They shrimp away, and put both feet on my hips (Brazilian Legs?). I can’t seem to knock the stupid feet off. They’re not doing anything, just keeping distance, but I can’t pass either. On my knees, I’ll try to knee drive since the stack doesn’t work, but they just shrimp away again and go inverted a bit to replace feet on my hips. Is there a way to Toriano no gi? I’ll ask next class, but it’s really bothering me.
Toriano, toreando, toreana (bullfighter pass) I believe is a pass more suited to gi training. Remember, you can pass over the legs(harder no gi IMO), under the legs(ex.stack/smash pass), through the legs (knee throughs for example), or around the legs (toreana/bullfighter). Try to put these into combinations as best you can. You’ll find that the defense for one type opens the other pass. Got my purple a little while ago. Are you male or female? It’s normal to have trouble passing no gi against strong people of any level as your grips are limited. I find it to be much more difficult. Especially when sweaty. And turn your hips to strip his feet. Like you’re shaking your butt. Sorry to be crude. Good luck. Hope this helps.
most problems i have with the double under stack pass are related to establishing good control of the guys hips before stacking…maintain your gable grip, and keep your elbows tight as you elevate your opponent’s hips in order to kill his mobility…if they can still move their legs well enough to place their feet on your hips, i would guess that this is the issue
[quote]cwaldron76 wrote:
Toriano, toreando, toreana (bullfighter pass) I believe is a pass more suited to gi training. Remember, you can pass over the legs(harder no gi IMO), under the legs(ex.stack/smash pass), through the legs (knee throughs for example), or around the legs (toreana/bullfighter). Try to put these into combinations as best you can. You’ll find that the defense for one type opens the other pass. Got my purple a little while ago. Are you male or female? It’s normal to have trouble passing no gi against strong people of any level as your grips are limited. I find it to be much more difficult. Especially when sweaty. And turn your hips to strip his feet. Like you’re shaking your butt. Sorry to be crude. Good luck. Hope this helps.[/quote]
Oh I understand that, but I tried under- stack, and through - knee drive, and they weren’t working. Over and around are what I’m askng about, in this circumstance, which over or around pass should I look for? I can get a foot off, but don’t know where to go from there, so he usually ends up getting his foot back there.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
most problems i have with the double under stack pass are related to establishing good control of the guys hips before stacking…maintain your gable grip, and keep your elbows tight as you elevate your opponent’s hips in order to kill his mobility…if they can still move their legs well enough to place their feet on your hips, i would guess that this is the issue[/quote]
Oh, that’s exactly my problem. I also need to work on keeping my elbows tight. I can do it perfectly while drilling, rolling on the other hand is a whole different issue. I’m still working on getting things I know to actually happen when rollling.
If you are using the one I use, I open the guard and stack him/her up.
I try to get my shoulders under the knees and drag the body up to my own knees, so the hips come off the ground.
this way shrimping becomes harder. Then I turn my shoulder right and look up to the ceiling. (I know looking to the ceiling sounds stupid but sometimes it’s about details)
I then come up to one foot and drive the opponent to side control and pass guard.
variation I get to use often NO GI: most parts stay the same, except for the way I stack.
I pull the hips close but I do not stay on my knees, I come up all the way and try to fold the legs of the opponent all the way up. This way all the weight from the opponents legs and myself put pressure on my opponent.
I hope I explained the right pass, not sure but we don’t use the bullfighter name…
[quote]pch2 wrote:
I know there was a thread about BJJ questions, but I can’t find it, nor can I find any answers on youtube. It’s hard to know if names for moves are real or things we’ve just made up at the academy. Anyway I’ve been having a ridiculous problem trying to pass newish white belt guards.
So mostly No Gi. I’ll get them open, then go to stack, but I’m still working on creating enough pressure, so sometimes they can still defend. They shrimp away, and put both feet on my hips (Brazilian Legs?). I can’t seem to knock the stupid feet off. They’re not doing anything, just keeping distance, but I can’t pass either. On my knees, I’ll try to knee drive since the stack doesn’t work, but they just shrimp away again and go inverted a bit to replace feet on my hips. Is there a way to Toriano no gi? I’ll ask next class, but it’s really bothering me. [/quote]
well, this doens’t help you pass really, but i use this when people pull open guard on me…
it irriates the shit out of me when people put their feet out in any open guard, so if i can use a dynamic pass (my best explation is what GSP tends to use), then i’ll lock up an ankle, like when you’re using an achilles lock. i feint like i’m gonna roll back and go for the sub, and this sets up the scramble, and i usually end up in side control then…
[quote]ude garame wrote:
If you are using the one I use, I open the guard and stack him/her up.
I try to get my shoulders under the knees and drag the body up to my own knees, so the hips come off the ground.
this way shrimping becomes harder. Then I turn my shoulder right and look up to the ceiling. (I know looking to the ceiling sounds stupid but sometimes it’s about details)
I then come up to one foot and drive the opponent to side control and pass guard.
variation I get to use often NO GI: most parts stay the same, except for the way I stack.
I pull the hips close but I do not stay on my knees, I come up all the way and try to fold the legs of the opponent all the way up. This way all the weight from the opponents legs and myself put pressure on my opponent.
I hope I explained the right pass, not sure but we don’t use the bullfighter name…
Good luck! [/quote]
Well this is the stack pass, I’m trying , but I’m looking fo rsomething to use when it doesn’t work. You know when you don’t get the hips close and they pummel the legs in and get them on your hips.
So, not the triangle, but you see how BJ is keeping his feet on the hips the whole time. How do I get past that? Assuming he doesn’t take the triangle but does keep going inverted.
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
well, this doens’t help you pass really, but i use this when people pull open guard on me…
it irriates the shit out of me when people put their feet out in any open guard, so if i can use a dynamic pass (my best explation is what GSP tends to use), then i’ll lock up an ankle, like when you’re using an achilles lock. i feint like i’m gonna roll back and go for the sub, and this sets up the scramble, and i usually end up in side control then…
good luck![/quote]
That is an option I’ve tried. I’ve got so much to work on, and ankle locks are on that list. I’m not very good in a scramble, and prefer a tight controlled pressure based game. Which is why I like the stack pass so much. If I can pull their hips under me, I can create enough pressure to make them cry, but getting the hips under me is always a challenge. I guess I need to find better times for it.
[quote]nlbjj wrote:
Can you step back grab his ankles and do this pass?
Awesome. This is exactly what he said to do when I asked in class. I’ll put it in my log, but since I asked here:
He said to hook under the top leg (assuming the guy is on his side, because any good player usually is) and put presurre on it to keep it down. Then with your other hand push the other foot down. Then while maintaining pressure on the top leg walk around his hips.
Watching the video, I wondered what would happen if he posted on you and was able to turn into you. So, I asked and he the switched to a knee wedge pass in order to keep the hips down. So as you’re waking around them, if they start to turn into you, baseball slide a knee across his abdomen and step out big to settle into side control.
I didn’t get a chance to use it yesterday, but I’m sure it’ll help.
Thanks for the suggestions guys, they made me think about moves I hadn’t considered.
