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Hey all, great site. I had some questions regarding the Fat Loss Stack suggested by T-mag (MD6, Methoxy7 and T2).

First off, I already had some of EAS’s BetaLean HP before I read about the stack, so I’m using that instead of MD6 (sorry, guys). However, I haven’t quite been experiencing the fat loss results that I was hoping for from the stack. I’ve noticed a big increase in strength during my workouts, however, which I love!! I can tell I’m getting stronger, but the fat is still there.

I'm 6'1", 255 at about 20% body fat. I've been working out for about a year now. I'm currently taking the recommended daily dose of 3 capsules of T2 along with the Methoxy, Beta Lean, and some ZMA. I eat five meals a day, two of which are either MRPs or MRBs. I also supplement my meals with protein-only shakes to make sure I'm getting enough. My diet isn't the problem.

My question is, because I weigh so much, can I increase my daily dosage of T2 or up my E/C/A (BetaLean) intake in order to achieve better results, or would increasing the dose not help at all?

I tried my hardest to avoid it, but if this doesn’t work, I’m gonna start a clen-b/cytomel stack. Thanks for your help.

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Two things: 1) You have not been getting the fat loss you expected, you say? So what kind of fat loss have you been getting? I say this because I’ve consulted a lot of people who are doing fine on a diet (losing a pound or two per week) yet don’t think the diet is successful because they’re not dropping 10 pounds in 10 days.

2) Yes, it is most likely your diet. How many calories are you getting per day? How about grams of protein, fat, and carbs?

Give us more details. I’ll bet we can find a hole somewhere in your plan.

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Thanks for the reply, Chris… Man, I really hope it isn’t my diet because I’ve worked really hard to get it to what I’ve been told is optimal. If it’s wrong, though, and if that’s my problem then I’ll be happy to change.

As far as the “desired weight loss thing” goes, I’ve heard others say that this Fat-loss stack works better for them than the clen/T3 stack. As such, I’m comparing my own weight loss against a buddy of mine’s at the gym who is on the clen/T3 stack. It’s true that I’ve lost about 1-and-a-half pounds a week while on the stack, but I attributed that mostly to water weight. The weight loss, however, is certainly not as dramatic as my friend’s.

As for my diet, here goes.

At around 7:30am, I either eat 4 boiled eggs (3 whites-only, 1 whole) or an omelet with the same egg composition and 1 cut-up slice of Oscar Mayer Ham (cooked in Pam cooking spray).

About an hour later, I take 3 scoops of Designer Whey with water (totals: Fat - 4.5g, Carbs - 6g, Protein - 52.5g)

I workout after that, and then usually have 6 oz. of water-packed canned meat (tuna, salmon, or chicken), which can vary from between 3-6g of fat. With that, I either eat a cup of white rice (i should probably use brown, I know), or two slices of whole-weat bread. Depending on which meat and what day it is, I’ll add either two tbs. of salsa or two tbsp. of fat-free mayo. Additionally, I’ll get either a sweet-potato with brown sugar (no butter) or a green, leafy salad with tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots and eggs or a small cup of pasta with olive oil, herbs, tomatoes and olives (no feta).

My next two meals are about 2-3hours apart from each other and, because of my job, are Designer whey protein bars (sometimes myoplex shakes, but not often). The bars have 4.5 grams of fat, 6g of carbs and 30g of protein each.

Dinner is usually between 6-8 p.m. and consists of some meat portion (chicken breast, roast turkey, bottom round beef), a serving of veggies (broccoli, spinach, collards, or romaine and red-onion salad with red-wine vinegar). Just before bed I have three more scoops of Designer Whey.

The only reason I have those extra carbs after my workout is because I was told I was supposed to. If that's not the case, I can easily cut them out.

Again, I’m 6’1", 255 at about 20% body fat. When I decided to alter my diet to this one (in May) I was 260 (didn’t have body composition test). Before starting the stack a little over two weeks ago, I was 258.

If my diet IS the problem, I can fix that, just tell me how. I have no problems going strict. However, my initial question still applies... can I up my T2 or E/C/A intake in order to increase results, or would such an increase have adverse (or no) effects?

Thanks again, this site rocks.

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Okay, first off, I think you’re losing weight at a desirable pace. Your buddy may lose faster, but he may also be losing muscle (I think T3 can lead to that if not used with anabolics, depends on dosage- and no, clen is not anabolic) I doubt the weight is water weight given the amount of carbs you’re eating. Some of it might have been, but this usually regulates after a week or so.

Second, not to be a hardass here- because I’m really trying to help- but I’m still not hearing any numbers. Do you know your overall, daily amounts of calories, carbs, protein and fat or not? If not, then we can’t go any further here.

Some people do take higher dosages of T2 and ECA type stacks, but the question is, is it necessary? I’d rather we tweak your diet than just say, “Take more pills.” It would be cheaper too.

You might want to briefly outline your workout too.

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GaDawg: Doing the calculations of cals and macros on the foods you presented is sometimes a pain, but well worth it. Just by “eyeballing” things, your diet seems “clean”, but I bet you will be off in cals and/or macro percentages.

Often when people sit down and “crunch the numbers”, they are surprised at the results. Once you figure that all out, I will bet that manipulating your fat loss will be a piece 'a cake. ALSO; beware the small things here and there that you may injest. They may seem small (like a handful of chips) but BOY can they add up. Also, be wary of “estimating” portions. Weigh everythng out (especailly meats) at least until you get a handle on things.

I agree with Chris. At this point, look at that diet, not in increasing the pharmaceuticals.

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Great. Thanks for your help, guys. I was pretty proud of my diet, but I guess I need to pay more attention to it. I’ll look at it more closely before I up any of my dosages. If there is no change in a few weeks, I’ll post again (by that time, I should be cycling off the T2, though). Thanks for your help! I pay close attention to my protein/carb/fat ratio as much as possible… but with things like the sweet potato, i really don’t know how much is too much. I just use the “portions as big as the palm of your hand” rule. Is there a site or an information source that contains the nutritional information of foods like sweet potatoes, broccoli, apples, etc.? Thanks again.

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Some people get by with “eye balling” food, not me. When I’m hungry, a cup of rice could “look” like a smaller amount. If I don’t measure I’m srewing my diet efforts. I went my first six months of training only losing 5 lbs. I put on muscle well, but I was mostly after fat loss. It was not until I got really anal about my diet that I started losing fat. It’s funny how just a little too much food destroys fat loss progress and how a little too little food hampers your workout. I know some people can get by being less anal, but I’m not one of them and I’m willing to be anal to get my progress. If you’d like a program to make the number crunching easier, go to the innovativelogic website and download crosstrainerII - for being so inexpensive (and free for a month at first) no other program I’ve seen works better. It’s a lot better for me than a calculator and a notepad. You tell the program what you ate, it will tell you calories, fat, carbs, protein, and micronutrients. BTW - this problem with “eyeballing” food is one of the main reasons the Body For Life program doen’t work for some people. If I ate six fist sized portiones of rice and six palm sized chicken breasts, I would be over 3000 calories, but still technically be within the diet’s parameters. Ok, Ok, I’ll quit rambling now. Good luck on your diet.

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I’m just like ironbabe. I can’t “guess-i-mate” portions when I make a change in my diet. (If I eat a food consistently, like oatmeal, I’ve reached the point that I know what a cup is). However, if a food is new, or I have to make an adjustment, out come the scales and calculators. I REALLY think that the ones who say that they don’t have to do this most LIKELY lean toward higher metabolisms and a pre-disposition to NOT store fat. I am CERTAINLY not in that group!