Bio Electric Imp Scale?

Hey Guys…I am a vet on the board and have been out for a few years although gained a little weight and alot wiser :wink:

Heres my Question…5 years ago when Bio Elec Imp was making its breakthrough they were ok in terms of accuracy…but varied and hard to read for bodybuilders…

I bought a brand new Health O Meter today…looks like there top of the line model from walmart…I am not necessarily looking for pinpoint accuracy with my bf measurements…but the biggest thing is progress…and charting progress (which this does for me!) This thing also measures your hydration levels!

Are there any tips I might use to ensure the most accurate measurements asides from mornings and empty stomach?

I just want to chart progress…I have calipers but because over my bf percentage being over 20% their accuracy is questionable…

How accurate are these Bio Imp scales these days? Compared to cailpers? Also what is the variation of accuracy on them these days (± how much %)…

Thanks again for your help!
Pugsley

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For me they are utterly worthless…

do a search on the site for “tanita”

What about for measuring change? Any tips for getting more accurate measurements? I have found wet feet makes a difference…

Well, I’ll put it this way: my bioelectric impedence scale, a Tanita, says I’m 22% bodyfat while 3-point skinfold says I’m 6.1%.

Neither is correct, presently from some circumstances I’m fatter than I should ever let myself be (and is being rapidly corrected) and the correct value is probably about 10-11%.

The impedence scale doesn’t even track change too accurately, at least for me.

I would far more recommend buying a skinfold caliper even if planning to measure only one site, e.g. abdomen. Even a single skinfold measurement gives pretty good tracking: the relationship is pretty linear so pretty much each mm lost is about the same number of pounds of fat lost. So one might not know exactly how fat one is, but relative to a goal and a starting point, one can see pretty accurately what percent of the job has been accomplished and what percent remains.

Not so with the impedence I don’t think.

B.I.A’s have a a standard deviant of up to 15% + or -

[quote]Pugsley wrote:
What about for measuring change? Any tips for getting more accurate measurements? I have found wet feet makes a difference…[/quote]

Guess you didn’t want to search… oh well, I did it for you http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=543434

Here’s my post from almost exactly 1 year ago and nothing has changed for me. I still consider my Tanita a good scale and an utterly fucking worthless bodyfat measurer:

My Tanita BC-532 is Utterly Fricking Worthless (UFW) for measuring BF%.

I bought my Tanita in November and have since lost 14 pounds. I have weighed myself each day and chart all the numbers in Excel.

At the start, I weighed 205lbs with 21.4% BF regular mode, 13% athletic mode. Considering I had been working out consistently for two years, had a resting pulse rate @50, and put in over 12 hours a week of athletic activity, the Athletic Mode should have been the correct one.

With abundant fat covering what might be abs, there was no way in hell I was 13%, but I was pretty sure I wasn’t 21% either. I wasn’t confident in the BF% numbers, but I was under the assumption that the Tanita would be good for tracking my progress.

Now I weigh 190 and the fat rolls have melted into visible abs. So, what’s my progress been according to Tanita? I’m 19.1% Normal Mode, 10.6% Athletic Mode. FFS! I’ve lost 14 lbs and I’m sure that was almost all fat. My lifts are way up, my diet has been super clean, I have added Deads/Squats in the same period and my core has exploded, so I’m sure that I’ve maintained or added lean mass!!!

NORMAL MODE
205 to 191 lbs, loss of 14 lbs
21.4% to 19.1% BF, loss of 2% BF???
So my UFW Tanita tells me I’ve lost 7.4 lbs fat and 6.6 lbs of lean mass…

ATHLETIC MODE
205 to 191 lbs, loss of 14 lbs
13% to 10.6% BF, loss of 2.4% BF???
So my UFW Tanita tells me I’ve lost 6.4 lbs fat and 7.6 lbs of lean mass…

Either mode, UFW…

Oh BTW, I bought the Accumeasure FatTrack II last month and it’s showing me now at 10-11%. At the end of the day, I don’t care so much what my BF% is. I was just trying to keep motivated and thought it would help me while cutting, instead it only frustrated me. The best test is the mirror.

Kind of (well in fact actually) bringing up a somewhat old and dead horse, but found something new on this:

At least one model of Tanita sold as a “bioelectric impedance” fat monitor, the Model 2204 and I would not be surprised if it’s all of them, in fact does NOT derive its bodyfat percentage value principally if even significanly from impedance.

This device is as mentioned above incredibly inaccurate. But not only this, actually it derives its value based on your programmed height and your weight. At most it makes a slight tweak on this from the impedance.

So, if let’s say you’re 200 lb at 5’11", the thing figures you must be 23% bodyfat or so, else you wouldn’t weigh that at that height, right?

That might statistically be true for most of the population.

But to claim to be measuring the bodyfat from impedance and taking people’s money on this basis when in fact it’s principally or almost entirely from height and weight seems to potentially even raise fraud questions.

To see for oneself that the device does this: take a reading, then hold a DB overhead or any other position really, which cannot significantly affect impedance between the feet, and compare the new “bioelectric impedance” fat value. In the case of my Tanita the alleged bodyfat percentage went up 15 points from my holding a 45 lb db, clearly not doing so from impedance change.

On the other hand, changing the value for my height by one foot drops the claimed bodyfat percentage by 14-15 points, or to only about 1/3 the value claimed at true height.

Alternately, supporting 60 lb of my weight with my hands on towels on the countertop resulted in a claimed “bioelectric impedance bodyfat percentage” 17 points lower while I doubt that in fact impedance differed at all.

We’re not talking about the weight tweaking the impedance calculation – if there is an impedance calculation at all – but weight-for-height completely dominating the results to the tune of plus or minus 17 points or more.

So the results clearly are dependent far more on weight and the height value one enters, not on any real electrical measurement.

Last further example: in recent months I’ve dropped at least 30 lb of fat unfortunately gained while regaining slightly more muscle than this. So weight for height has been almost unchanged while for example ab skinfold dropped from 35mm to 4mm, and thigh from an unknown value to 3mm. The Tanita shows no change whatsoever. At least the reason now is clear: because weight for height did not change and that is the type of device that this actually is.

So not only is it wrong in absolute terms, it is completely wrong in tracking terms as well if muscle mass changes.

No wonder the things are so incredibly inaccurate for weight trainers. Added weight for height is figured to be fat even if there is no change in impedance. Their mathematical model assumes a relatively lean person 6’ tall will weigh only about 140, and the impedance measurement – if it’s even a factor at all instead of marketing gimmick – will NOT overcome or significantly go towards correcting this assumption they make.

I think those electrical impedence things are a crock of shit. The one at the local ymca tells me i am 14% body fat. 14% is a rough average taken over 5 tests on different days.

I am clearly no where near that lean due to the rolls and what not.

This topic has been literally beat to death. It has been asked so many times now that anyone asking it has OBVIOUSLY not even tried to research the topic.

They don’t work. They won’t work next month when this question gets asked again for the 5,000,000,000th time. They will never work unless you are extremely average in terms of body composition. They penalize you for carrying muscle mass by giving you a higher reading.

A Tanita thread? Oh, it’s Saturday again…

These things are useful for people
who are overweight and non athletes.

For us, they are worthless. They are worse than useless, they can demotivate. They take your weight and height and plug it into a formula that models the “Average” person.

Save your money and buy a good set of calipers.

My Tanita scales have been pretty damn consistent, taking me from my journey from 320 @ 45% down to 205 at 15%.

But once you get below 15%, they probably do get much less accurate.