todd, what are you trying to prove? would you just get over it already so we can actually discuss the topic, rather than discuss one little minor thing that you should have let go about twenty posts ago?
Because he’s a numbnuts. I thought I was fairly clear initially. If I wasn’t, Well, I’m not a writer.
however, the point is that weight training can be hard on the shoulder and different points ala Starr and Defranco both have merit.
Also, if you lift long enough, you will hurt one or both shoulders. the key is managing the injury as best as possible.
And todd’s a numbnuts.
Todd23, tom63, open up a separate discussion thread and take your arguing there, please.
In fact, here you go, your very own thread, feel free to use it:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=839499
Most people here want to discuss OH pressing, mkay?
Thanks.
Both my husband and I have had issues with overhead pressing and our shoulders. But I believe our error is because we were doing seated behind the neck presses. If I do these at all, I have to be very careful about how low I go because there is a certain point at which I feel my shoulder go dink and I’m done - fucked up again. So I have stuck with dumbell presses mainly.
However, after reading this thread I may try to incorporate them into my routine again. I assume we are talking about any standing overhead press; military press, push press, etc. I really liked the point made by the gentleman who was OH press record holder likening OH presses to squats.
One other issue however is arm length. Both my husband and I have long limbs and as a result have to push the bar further. I watch these fireplugs at the gym crank presses (bench and overhead) out like a machine and wonder why they never have shoulder injuries.
Ahh…to be three inches shorter…
[quote]gojira wrote:
Ahh…to be three inches shorter… [/quote]
I am sure I am 3" (or more) shorter and I have terrible shoulder problems (a few surgeries). I find bench is the most aggravating exercise I can do for my shoulders. If I overhead press behind the neck I need to be completely warmed up and stretched out (using a rope or a bar and extending my arms up, over, and back) and have virtually no pain other than some mild irritation. The mechanics of the shoulder are unreal and highly individual.
There are some things I will simply never understand.
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[quote]AbunaiE wrote:
The mechanics of the shoulder are unreal and highly individual.
There are some things I will simply never understand.
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Gotta agree with this.
I also should not complain too much. While I am only 5’6", my husband is 6’6" and has temendous leverage issues. He does his best to deal with it though, and works his ass off. He finally benched his BW this weekend (257). While that may not seem much to you guys, that’s pretty good for a 56 year old 6’6" guy recovering from a year of intense cancer therapy. I’m proud as hell of him. He’s looking great.
[quote]gojira wrote:
He finally benched his BW this weekend (257). While that may not seem much to you guys, that’s pretty good for a 56 year old 6’6" guy recovering from a year of intense cancer therapy. I’m proud as hell of him. He’s looking great.[/quote]
Are you kidding! That’s fantastic! Is he on this forum at all? Congratulate him on my behalf.
I have had many shoulder issues due to bench pressing with a barbell. At the moment I’m fighting with a shoulder problem that’s very strange and doesn’t want to go away. Even bench pressing with dumbells (which used to be OK) is a bit of an issue now.
For the record, I am 5’8", and I can’t bench bodyweight, so your husband’s success does seem like much to me. Especially after cancer!
Your husband’s a badass.
[quote]Miserere wrote:
Are you kidding! That’s fantastic! Is he on this forum at all? Congratulate him on my behalf.
I have had many shoulder issues due to bench pressing with a barbell. At the moment I’m fighting with a shoulder problem that’s very strange and doesn’t want to go away. Even bench pressing with dumbells (which used to be OK) is a bit of an issue now.
For the record, I am 5’8", and I can’t bench bodyweight, so your husband’s success does seem like much to me. Especially after cancer!
Your husband’s a badass.[/quote]
Yeah, and he’s my badass. I’ll make sure he gets the message. Thanks.
I feel your pain regarding shoulder issues. I think I may have a touch of tendonitis in my left (this might be your problem) and have an old injury to my right. But I just try to pay attention and not tweak them the wrong way. At my age I don’t recover as fast and injuries are slower to heal.
[quote]rawda wrote:
todd, what are you trying to prove? would you just get over it already so we can actually discuss the topic, rather than discuss one little minor thing that you should have let go about twenty posts ago?[/quote]
Evidently, the same thing you and Tom are. I have not attempted to prove anything. I asked a question and was attacked by someone with the maturity of a junior high kid with braces and all of his little playground friends. Numbnuts??? This is pathatic! How are you so lost in life as t o attempt to get into a name calling contest on the damn internet?
Gojira-
I never used to perform shoulder presses behind the neck until I started O lifting (almost exclusively now). I believe that this exercise for most people is a risk vs. benefit type of exercise. I see the benefit for O lifting as a supportive exercise (snatch) so I do it–albeit light and for higher reps. I save the heavy weight for some military press, but mostly jerk variations.
I believe that depending on the build of the individual, benching is probably going to be harder on the shoulder capsule (ie. long arms and less chest) especially when performing bench to completion by touching the chest (as will performing dips past parallel). This puts the shoulder into an extreme abducted and externally rotated position which isn’t as mechanically easy as an overhead press.
For most overhead presses, the width of the grip will have quite a bit to do with how it feels on the shoulder (and specific rotator cuff muscles), as will the speed of the concentric/eccentric movement.