Bill Maher 'May Leave California'

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Let’s try it this way:

Is anybody still contending that only 300,000 people in California pay taxes?

If so, evidence should be produced that both supports this claim and refutes the evidence I already provided. If not, then I guess it’s settled, isn’t it?

For the record, there are a number of words for somebody who gets into a heated debate, ends up being wrong, and then doesn’t own up.
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If you plan on calling me out, then call me out, or are you going to continue to be a pussy about it ?

I am forwarding what my accountant, who is also an adjunct professor at a local college told me, which is either his opinion or fact. I am not sure whether it was true or not, but off the top of my head he is saying that 1% pay all the taxes which I know isn’t true. I know they pay at least half.

The entire point of this thread was about how a die-hard Liberal is now complaining about taxation. One of the “tax the rich” warriors is now whining that he got what he asked for. The best part is how Maher donated $1 million to Obama’s reelection, only to end up robbing him in the end.

SMH - there is an intimate knowledge you get with where you live, which factor into your overall quality of living of your home city/state. Because I don’t know how things are where you live, I don’t talk about it. I would rather ask, otherwise I would look as stupid as you do.

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Wow.

“Otherwise I would look as stupid as you do.”

The one who looks stupid is the one who said something that wasn’t true. That was you. You said that only 300,000 people in California pay taxes. In reality, Far more than 300,000 people pay taxes. Do I give a damn that you happen to live in California? Do I give a damn that the guy who said it to you also lives in California and is an adjunct professor?

Of course I don’t. What matters here is that you said something that was bullshit. Then, I proved that it was bullshit. Then you countered with all this pussy nonsense about me “not living in California” and how you need to “chincheck this clown,” when in reality the ONLY thing left for a grown man to do in that situation was to step in and say, “yeah you’re right, that wasn’t true. Whoops.”

Let me just see if I can make this even clearer to you here. You wrote:

“There is an intimate knowledge you get with where you live, which factor into your overall quality of living of your home city/state. Because I don’t know how things are where you live, I don’t talk about it. I would rather ask, otherwise I would look as stupid as you do.”

None of this has any bearing whatsoever on the simple FACTS of what happened here. Despite the fact that you live in California and I do not, you were wrong. Go figure. That’s what matters. I don’t know why you continue to cling to this “it’s my state so leave me alone” line of thinking, but please understand that this isn’t a support group where we talk about our feelings; I don’t care what you “know in your heart” to be true or some other such soft nobody’s-ever-wrong-and-there-are-no-stupid-questions piffle. You don’t get a trophy for trying and you certainly don’t get one by virtue of the numbers that comprise your zipcode. You talk about politics here: about facts that can be verified and about opinions that are born of those facts. When you’re wrong you have balls to come out and say so. It isn’t hard.

Oh, and of course I’m calling you out. That has been really, really clear for a good long time now.[/quote]

All that crying ^, and you said what ? You called me wrong ?

You’re worse than a female on her rag.

I took a phrase that I forwarded (which was paraphrased) and you jumped on it like a John in a whorehouse.

.4% of the population pays 42% of the taxes, and I’m off my rocker ?!

I would love to hold you underwater for a little while.

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So what the fuck are you saying? That you were wrong?[/quote]

No, I am saying that you are riding a comment to death, while denying that the Liberal wet dream turned out to be nothing but a blue ball nightmare.

Liberals think they are smarter than everyone in the room, while accusing Conservatives of being the dunce in the room. Then finally, one of them has a mental light bulb moment, realizing that the very ideas he is promoting is making him bankrupt.

But this whole time, you would rather focus on a comment my tax guy made, while missing the elephant in the room. Well done sir.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
This could be a topic on GAL. MaximusB will come back as IronDrawf, and smh could come back as Count Rockula, or Professor Y.[/quote]

This is where I can pretend to be like SMH, and show you how you misspelled Iron Dwarf, showcasing your errorism while missing the point you were making. Then blame ME for it, ain’t that about a bitch. [/quote]

Lol, my spelling abilities are horrible, I know Dwarf looked wrong, but again my spelling is really bad. Last night I was thinking of another person could come back as, and no offense just thought it was funny, Brother Chris could come back as Twisted Sister.[/quote]

I’m not trippin’ on it, I enjoy the point you were making than someone being a grammar Nazi.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

No, I am saying that you are riding a comment to death, while denying that the Liberal wet dream turned out to be nothing but a blue ball nightmare.

Liberals think they are smarter than everyone in the room, while accusing Conservatives of being the dunce in the room. Then finally, one of them has a mental light bulb moment, realizing that the very ideas he is promoting is making him bankrupt.

But this whole time, you would rather focus on a comment my tax guy made, while missing the elephant in the room. Well done sir.[/quote]

Nope. The point was never about liberal or conservative or whatever. My political views are far more complex than you seem to think, anyhow.

The point, and this was clear from my first post, was that what you said wasn’t true. I said so. You said…I don’t know what you said, really, but it sure as shit wasn’t what it should have been: “You’re right, that was bullshit.”

It’s that simple. I’m not going to keep pressing you to man up and admit that you were wrong. I’m just going to tell you: you were wrong. As in, not correct. If you set up a bipartisan commission to determine whether or not you were wrong…they would conclude that you were wrong. If you hired a Republican strategist to look into the matter for you…he would tell you that you were wrong. There is no other way to slice it.

That’s what I said to you–that you were wrong. You took offense and launched into that ridiculous “it’s my state so I don’t have to tell the truth” bullshit. Your mistake. Live and learn.

I will tell you this though: your opinions don’t mean jack shit, even to yourself, until they are based in reality. You don’t get points for trying. You don’t get a trophy for losing. When we’re talking facts–and that’s what you were trying to push, a factual statement–there is right and there is not right and every rational human being regardless of partisan stripe devotes himself to the former and shuns the latter.

By the way, I agree with a lot of the things you post.

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You are splitting hairs here dude.

I forward a statement from someone else, who probably made it off the top of his head, then after further investigation it turns out to be not purely accurate but makes his point completely, but you’re stuck on semantics.

This actually is a partisan issue, the entire point of this thread certainly was. Now if you want to go around in a circle jerk about a statistic, you can enjoy that load all on your own.

A well known die-hard Liberal found out the bullshit he was thumping is now bankrupting him, then has a lightbulb moment about it, but you choose to crucify me on a stat which even if “was dead wrong” still proved the point.

Also, home turf matters, knowing your surrounding absolutely makes a difference in making a point. You seem to believe all the bullshit written in newspapers, or said by politicians. But if you actually rubbed elbows with people and saw for yourself, you would come to your own conclusions which are most likely more accurate than a bribed politician or a slanted newsrag.

Yay for whining about getting an A minus, now I can embellish my own ideas about places I have never been, rather than talk to people who are in the know because they actually know. So let me tell you about your land Scratch-My-Ass, I won’t even ask where you live, just that little pink unicorns crap turds of money which pays for everything.

Don’t you try to kumbaya me. You claim I am dead wrong on a number, but agree with alot of my points, the latter seems more important. We are not launching the shuttle here, just pointing out how these policies actually pan out in real life versus speculation.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

A well known die-hard Liberal found out the bullshit he was thumping is now bankrupting him, then has a lightbulb moment about it, but you choose to crucify me on a stat which even if “was dead wrong” still proved the point.
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What the fuck are you talking about?

Things that are not true don’t prove points. They don’t prove anything but the incompetence/stupidity/dishonesty of the person who says them.

This has nothing to do with “places I have never been”–though I’ve been to many. This has nothing to do with where you live. Do you honestly think anybody gives a damn about your area code? Do you honestly think your address absolves you from the golden rule of debate: “never tell a lie.”

You said something that was bullshit. I said it was bullshit. That was the entire scope of this discussion. I agree with Maher and Mickelson about taxation in California. I agree that Flacco is going to be paying a shitload too much in Maryland. But that’s not the point I made to you. The point I made to you was that you were lying. And now after several pages of whining and pussyfooting around, you seem to be sheepishly admitting as much–not outright like a man, but hey, baby steps are better than no steps at all.

So, again–I called you out on a very specific point. I was right. You were wrong. You lose. Move along. And try not to make shit up from now on.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Don’t you try to kumbaya me. You claim I am dead wrong on a number, but agree with alot of my points, the latter seems more important. We are not launching the shuttle here, just pointing out how these policies actually pan out in real life versus speculation. [/quote]

I can assure you that I’m not trying to “Kumbaya” you. The show you put on in this thread was one of the most visible displays of stupidity and intellectual (if that word can really be applied here) cowardice I’ve yet seen on this board.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

A well known die-hard Liberal found out the bullshit he was thumping is now bankrupting him, then has a lightbulb moment about it, but you choose to crucify me on a stat which even if “was dead wrong” still proved the point.
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What the fuck are you talking about?

Things that are not true don’t prove points. They don’t prove anything but the incompetence/stupidity/dishonesty of the person who says them.

This has nothing to do with “places I have never been”–though I’ve been to many. This has nothing to do with where you live. Do you honestly think anybody gives a damn about your area code? Do you honestly think your address absolves you from the golden rule of debate: “never tell a lie.”

You said something that was bullshit. I said it was bullshit. That was the entire scope of this discussion. I agree with Maher and Mickelson about taxation in California. I agree that Flacco is going to be paying a shitload too much in Maryland. But that’s not the point I made to you. The point I made to you was that you were lying. And now after several pages of whining and pussyfooting around, you seem to be sheepishly admitting as much–not outright like a man, but hey, baby steps are better than no steps at all.

So, again–I called you out on a very specific point. I was right. You were wrong. You lose. Move along. And try not to make shit up from now on.[/quote]

Things that are not true don’t prove points ? Good Lord, you have clearly never learned from your failures. Actually, NOTHING teaches you better than failure. In this case of this thread, it turns out that “taxing the rich” eventually leads to the rich getting sick and tired of it. Ultimately resulting in them potentially leaving. Were you breathing when you even read this thread ? But this also goes back to my point about knowing where you live, when you actually see rich people and businesses leaving in droves, you would know this Liberals talk Democrats but live like rich Republicans. As long as Libs don’t get their money touched, they are all about “tax someone else.” Even here in the Hollywood area, they are now doing filming on location ELSEWHERE, meaning outside of California simply because it’s cheaper.
The only thing keeping this state afloat are the movie industry and tech, if they go, it’s game over.

I actually lost alot of respect for you dude, not because you mouthed off like a female on her rag, but because I really thought you were intelligent enough look beyond the partisan bullshit and see this is about money in mathematical terms.

You’re beating your chest saying “I won the argument”, while I’m saying, “great, you won at the expense of bankrupting a city/state/country.”

Something I noticed about Liberals…

The only thing you ever have to know about Liberals, is what motivates them. To a Liberal, the most important thing in life, is the ability to feel morally and intellectually superior to everyone who does not share their vision.

They genuinely believe themselves to be so very much smarter than you, that they have a natural right to tell you how to live your life, a duty, even. They believe you have not the slightest clue how to live properly, and that you and I will destroy the planet with our ignorance if we are left to ourselves. Not only do they not feel the slightest remorse for removing your liberty, they don’t even listen to you when you speak. They know you are wrong, because you’re just not as smart as they are. Or worse, you’re religious, which means you are not even willing to think. Either way, your words do not reach them.

Progressives are tyrants at the root of their being

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Don’t you try to kumbaya me. You claim I am dead wrong on a number, but agree with alot of my points, the latter seems more important. We are not launching the shuttle here, just pointing out how these policies actually pan out in real life versus speculation. [/quote]

I can assure you that I’m not trying to “Kumbaya” you. The show you put on in this thread was one of the most visible displays of stupidity and intellectual (if that word can really be applied here) cowardice I’ve yet seen on this board.[/quote]

I post a video showing a die hard Lib crying about the policies he has been advocating for Lord knows how long, I think you’re more butt-sore seeing the guy who thought he was smarter than everyone now seeing the error of his ways.

You are not the smartest guy in the room, no natter how much you scratch your beard. Nor am I, but I never claim to be. I am smart enough to see when shit doesn’t work, and when not to follow advice that has been shown to fail.

You are pointing out a number, when I am pointing out an idea. Want to guess which one costs more ?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

.4% of the population pays 42% of the taxes, and I’m off my rocker ?!

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I would agree with this to a degree . Cali’s taxes are out of hand . But for the federal aspect that 4% is making 70% of the money .

I know it would be a nightmare but the best way to tax would be on the money saved . Because if you are living hand to mouth you are already giving your money to someone else

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Don’t you try to kumbaya me. You claim I am dead wrong on a number, but agree with alot of my points, the latter seems more important. We are not launching the shuttle here, just pointing out how these policies actually pan out in real life versus speculation. [/quote]

I can assure you that I’m not trying to “Kumbaya” you. The show you put on in this thread was one of the most visible displays of stupidity and intellectual (if that word can really be applied here) cowardice I’ve yet seen on this board.[/quote]

I post a video showing a die hard Lib crying about the policies he has been advocating for Lord knows how long, I think you’re more butt-sore seeing the guy who thought he was smarter than everyone now seeing the error of his ways.

You are not the smartest guy in the room, no natter how much you scratch your beard. Nor am I, but I never claim to be. I am smart enough to see when shit doesn’t work, and when not to follow advice that has been shown to fail.

You are pointing out a number, when I am pointing out an idea. Want to guess which one costs more ?[/quote]

Bill Maher is about fifteen miles left of me. I’ve never found him profound and only occasionally think he’s funny. And I’d rather put Bill O’Reilly in the White House than him. So you can take your speculation about my politics–which you obviously aren’t familiar with–and fuck off.

Although you and I can certainly agree that you’re not the smartest guy in the room.

But none of this changes the real core issue here: you lied, were shown to have lied, and now refuse to rescind the bullshit you proffered as fact in any kind of direct way. Like I said before: your mistake. You were wrong. You can’t show that you weren’t wrong, because, again, you were. That’s it. That’s been the scope of our discussion from the outset. That was what I pointed out to you in the beginning. I was right. You weren’t. Better luck next time. Case closed.

What’s really damning for you, by the way, is not that you were wrong–we’re all wrong from time to time, though not always as directly and avoidably as you were here. No, what really makes you look like a simple-minded jackass is your utter refusal to man up and simply acknowledge the [i]FACT[/i] that you were wrong. Instead you launched into a pathetic defense built around the ridiculous notion that nothing you say about your home state can be fact-checked by anybody not from California. You were ridiculed for this, and not just by me–as you absolutely should have been.

Next you moved on to “well I’m talking about big ideas here and so it doesn’t matter that that number was bullshit. You’re just mad that Bill Maher said taxes were high.” Wrong again. The one, single aim of my first post was to point out that far more than 300,000 people in California pay taxes. Because, you know, the truth is better than a lie (actually, that seems to be something you don’t know. Hopefully you’ll pick it up by the time this thread has run its course). I’m not attacking you with the ultimate goal of celebrating California’s ridiculously high tax burden. I’m not saying, “look, you were wrong, and therefore unfettered liberalism is victorious. Vote Francois Hollande in 2016.”

Nope, I’m just saying this: you were wrong. When you were shown to have been wrong, you acted like a little brat. That’s all. And none of that can be refuted. So, as they say in show business, that’s a wrap.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

A well known die-hard Liberal found out the bullshit he was thumping is now bankrupting him, then has a lightbulb moment about it, but you choose to crucify me on a stat which even if “was dead wrong” still proved the point.
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What the fuck are you talking about?

Things that are not true don’t prove points. They don’t prove anything but the incompetence/stupidity/dishonesty of the person who says them.

This has nothing to do with “places I have never been”–though I’ve been to many. This has nothing to do with where you live. Do you honestly think anybody gives a damn about your area code? Do you honestly think your address absolves you from the golden rule of debate: “never tell a lie.”

You said something that was bullshit. I said it was bullshit. That was the entire scope of this discussion. I agree with Maher and Mickelson about taxation in California. I agree that Flacco is going to be paying a shitload too much in Maryland. But that’s not the point I made to you. The point I made to you was that you were lying. And now after several pages of whining and pussyfooting around, you seem to be sheepishly admitting as much–not outright like a man, but hey, baby steps are better than no steps at all.

So, again–I called you out on a very specific point. I was right. You were wrong. You lose. Move along. And try not to make shit up from now on.[/quote]

Things that are not true don’t prove points ? Good Lord, you have clearly never learned from your failures. Actually, NOTHING teaches you better than failure.
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No, things that are not true don’t stand as evidence in debate. Saying that 300,000 people in California pay taxes doesn’t prove a point…because it’s not true…in fact it only proves one point and that’s that its speaker doesn’t know shit.

This has nothing to do with any aphorisms about learning from failure. Learning from failure, by the way, would look like this: the next time you go to write something that may be utter bullshit, you remember this enormous failure of yours and you double-check it. You discover that in fact the piece of information you were going to present is not true. You decide not to write it.

That’s learning from failure.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

The only thing you ever have to know about Liberals, is what motivates them. To a Liberal, the most important thing in life, is the ability to feel morally and intellectually superior to everyone who does not share their vision.

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This wasn’t ever about a shared vision. This was about what’s true and what isn’t. What is this, middle school? Does everybody get a trophy? Are there “no wrong answers?”

Of course there are wrong answers. You provided us with one. That was the point. I think I’ve run out of ways to try and explain all of this to you, so perhaps we should just leave at this:

What you said about the number of California taxpayers was, despite the fact that you live in California, demonstrably nonsensical. That is, it was bullshit. Case closed. Do I think that taxes in California are too high, especially for the rich? Absolutely. Doesn’t change jack shit about you having been wring though. End of story.

For the record, this isn’t some kind of support group. We’re not all here to agree and overlook idiocy because, you know, “this guy’s talking about ideas, ideas we all know in our hearts to be true, so who cares if he’s making numbers up.” No, that isn’t adult political conversation. Sorry.

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In retrospect, I wrote a lot of that in a tornado of caffeine and procrastination. The harshness tone was unwarranted. Without, that is, retreating a millimeter on the argument I’m making–that the truth is preferable to its alternatives in all cases and without exception, and that what you said was not true by any stretch of anybody’s imagination (and demonstrably so).

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

A well known die-hard Liberal found out the bullshit he was thumping is now bankrupting him, then has a lightbulb moment about it, but you choose to crucify me on a stat which even if “was dead wrong” still proved the point.
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Hold on, you honestly believe Maher was…

nevermind, this conversation is stupid enough as-is. No need for you to start thinking even harder about it lol

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
In retrospect, I wrote a lot of that in a tornado of caffeine and procrastination. The harshness tone was unwarranted. Without, that is, retreating a millimeter on the argument I’m making–that the truth is preferable to its alternatives in all cases and without exception, and that what you said was not true by any stretch of anybody’s imagination (and demonstrably so).[/quote]

This thing has been dragged out long enough.

The point of this whole thread was, examining the effects of specific policies (taxing the rich in this case). Well we tried it here, and it’s not the answer even those on the Left thought it would be. I think it would have a better response from people if the money generated were spent more wisely than we are spending it here.

I don’t really care about an exact number, when 148,000 people out of 38 million are paying almost half the taxes, I think the point is proven. If you want to dwell on a number, or you or me being right or wrong (who actually decides just starts the circle jerk), that’s going to be all you.

Now if you will excuse me, I have measures to help defeat like a tax for internet usage and red-light traffic tickets that do now allow you a method to contest or fight it.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I don’t really care about an exact number, when 148,000 people out of 38 million are paying almost half the taxes, I think the point is proven.

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So you are an advocate of everyone being equal instead? Smells an awful like you are advocating socialism to me…

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I don’t really care about an exact number [/quote]

You should, because what is true is always preferable to what is not. And when somebody shows you beyond any doubt that you’re wrong–and that is literally exactly what happened here, despite the fact that you still don’t come outright and admit it, opting instead to speak in platitudes like “I don’t care who’s right”–you should own up to your error like a man.

If somebody caught me lying about something on here, I’d be quick to own up and disavow whatever bullshit I was peddling. That’s the point.

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Bump for the lulz

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think Maher is a great comedian , even though he depends on his writers :slight_smile: EYE ROLL [/quote]

I have roughly the same opinion of Barack Obama.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think Maher is a great comedian , even though he depends on his writers :slight_smile: EYE ROLL [/quote]

I have roughly the same opinion of Barack Obama. [/quote]

Even Maher criticized the President for not being honest about Obamacare.

â??Obama had a great, I would say, almost sterling reputation for honestyâ?¦but I just think that credibility to a certain extent, that ship has sailed,â?? Maher said on his HBO program â??Real Time with Bill Maher.â??