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Having seen Bruce Willis up close, that dude is wasting away. When he had his back to us, you could see knobs of his spine sticking out. Ironic, because his stunt double is friggin jacked. SPOLIER - If you see him in a scene where he looks jacked but you can’t quite see his face, that is his stunt double.

Watch the end scene of RED. In the shots where you can see his face, his clothes are hanging off him. When it is a distance shot or back shot, the costume is stretched around the muscular frame of his double.

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[quote]Jlabs wrote:

Whether morally it is right or wrong does not matter people still use it and it should be controlled and done so safely in sports, I have no idea how this would be reached and maybe very idealistic but I find our current praise for some and demonizing other very contradictory.[/quote]

I think it is highly idealistic because the use necessary for performance enhancement is not in clinical amounts and one would be hard pressed to think that ethical doctors will jeopardize their credentials to enter the area of performance and bodybuilding enhancement. If an endocrinologist or andrologist is good, they have more than enough business and money in order to turn away the sordid society of bodybuilders and athletes, especially bodybuilders.

Seriously, what are they going to do? Check a guy’s lab values after he uses 500 to 2000 mls of testosterone for a quarter of a year–whatever amount is necessary for one’s goal–check his lab values, and then say, “Hey, looks like you’re packing on the mass. Looking good-soon you’ll be hanging with the IFBB big boys. OK, let’s see… your BUN, creatinine, hct, ldl, triglycerides… they’re all sky high. Some more years of this and you’re looking at renal failure. OK, here are your scripts. See me in three months.”

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
PED’s are really LED (life enhancing drugs)… [/quote]

I highly disagree. People who use drugs for performance enhancement do not use them in clinical dosages or they use them when they are not medically needed, and using them in amounts that enhance performance are actually detrimental to health in most cases.

I am on TRT that puts me in the normal range for T. I don’t have any advantage over a natural guy because my T value is at the natural level.

I don’t really think he was differentiating between proper and medical use. What I took from that was of course people mega dosing roids aren’t using them as “life enhancing” per se, they are using them obviously for maximum strength with at least some notable disregard for their own personal health. That’s a sacrifice virtually every top strength athlete is willing to make.

“Proper use” for life enhancement would be like a 60 year old man taking TRT to have the test levels of a 20 year old. So far as I know there’s nothing unhealthy about having the test levels of a young man throughout your entire life. It basically just makes everything better.

That’s what I thought he was getting at anyway.

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[quote]spk wrote:]
carl lewis took illegal drugs as did ben. why did ben get the ax and not carl ?? ben smoled him big time in this 100m.[/quote]

Carl is American and Ben is not. Simple as that.

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Steroids are dangerous though users shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking the dangers are media propaganda to keep you from being buff

Here is a recent study
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Flocal%2Fstories%2F2014%2F02%2F27%2F3953352.htm&ei=Z8cQU-ehGJHmkAfx4IDABg&usg=AFQjCNHCOCL3Ku1FGsXc5Rtfa0dF-2tTBA&sig2=jH1c-7RjLpNnHQDJVQogEg

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[quote]fightnews wrote:
Steroids are dangerous though users shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking the dangers are media propaganda to keep you from being buff

Here is a recent study
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Flocal%2Fstories%2F2014%2F02%2F27%2F3953352.htm&ei=Z8cQU-ehGJHmkAfx4IDABg&usg=AFQjCNHCOCL3Ku1FGsXc5Rtfa0dF-2tTBA&sig2=jH1c-7RjLpNnHQDJVQogEg [/quote]

So is Tylenol.

Your link doesn’t work.

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I think that the way the giant sport corps are handling it is wrong. They create a league in which it is common place and even pushed on players to hit a high level to boost sales. Then once some one get’s caught they say they have a strict anti doping policy. It’s complete shit.

Steroids would be better than the random drugs teenagers do these days. It would at least help them attain their goals quicker lol. I mean w e much rather them hopped up on dextregen, mdma and crocodile right. Sarcasm I don’t advocate drugs to kids but close to half or more will experiment with some form People are going to do drugs no matter what, it is dumb to create a need for it and demonize it.

I think regulation and education would be better than the current status quo. Also if you are on trt then you are probably pro steroid for medicinal use which I am as well, I think we need to have it either yes or no not a grey area In which it is common place and then we have human punching bags every so often that take the heat for all of societies flaws. Like a steroid martyr or someshit.

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[quote]boatguy wrote:
Having seen Bruce Willis up close, that dude is wasting away. When he had his back to us, you could see knobs of his spine sticking out. Ironic, because his stunt double is friggin jacked. SPOLIER - If you see him in a scene where he looks jacked but you can’t quite see his face, that is his stunt double.

Watch the end scene of RED. In the shots where you can see his face, his clothes are hanging off him. When it is a distance shot or back shot, the costume is stretched around the muscular frame of his double.[/quote]

Chicks dig Willis though. Also, it’s the perception. Like those guys who say it’s protein AND steroids and apply for World Record Biggest Arms when it’s clearly oil - it inspires people who assume it’s what it appears, and they are inspired to do what the person says (not necessarily does)

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[quote]boatguy wrote:
Having seen Bruce Willis up close, that dude is wasting away. When he had his back to us, you could see knobs of his spine sticking out. Ironic, because his stunt double is friggin jacked. SPOLIER - If you see him in a scene where he looks jacked but you can’t quite see his face, that is his stunt double.

Watch the end scene of RED. In the shots where you can see his face, his clothes are hanging off him. When it is a distance shot or back shot, the costume is stretched around the muscular frame of his double.[/quote]

Bruce Willis was never particularly big or ripped. He looked like a former athlete gone to seed and it was even referenced in some of the roles he played.

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He had minor shoulder definition in like the first 2 die hards. He don’t train from the looks of it. I still love that series though.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]fightnews wrote:
Steroids are dangerous though users shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking the dangers are media propaganda to keep you from being buff

Here is a recent study
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Flocal%2Fstories%2F2014%2F02%2F27%2F3953352.htm&ei=Z8cQU-ehGJHmkAfx4IDABg&usg=AFQjCNHCOCL3Ku1FGsXc5Rtfa0dF-2tTBA&sig2=jH1c-7RjLpNnHQDJVQogEg [/quote]

So is Tylenol.

Your link doesn’t work. [/quote]
lol

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]fightnews wrote:
Steroids are dangerous though users shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking the dangers are media propaganda to keep you from being buff

Here is a recent study
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Flocal%2Fstories%2F2014%2F02%2F27%2F3953352.htm&ei=Z8cQU-ehGJHmkAfx4IDABg&usg=AFQjCNHCOCL3Ku1FGsXc5Rtfa0dF-2tTBA&sig2=jH1c-7RjLpNnHQDJVQogEg[/quote]
What a silly article.

“Steroid use” is bad for your heart?

In what dose, at what frequency, in what % users?

No specifics are noted at all.

Water can also kill you in too high a “dose.”[/quote]

*** Do a search on steroids and heart disease. Then do a search on the many steroid users that drop dead of heart disease well before their time.

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[quote]Krinks wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]fightnews wrote:
Steroids are dangerous though users shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking the dangers are media propaganda to keep you from being buff

Here is a recent study
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Flocal%2Fstories%2F2014%2F02%2F27%2F3953352.htm&ei=Z8cQU-ehGJHmkAfx4IDABg&usg=AFQjCNHCOCL3Ku1FGsXc5Rtfa0dF-2tTBA&sig2=jH1c-7RjLpNnHQDJVQogEg[/quote]
What a silly article.

“Steroid use” is bad for your heart?

In what dose, at what frequency, in what % users?

No specifics are noted at all.

Water can also kill you in too high a “dose.”[/quote]

*** Do a search on steroids and heart disease. Then do a search on the many steroid users that drop dead of heart disease well before their time.
[/quote]

Hence the importance of the questions he asked.

If a person is worried about getting too much blood in their drug stream, guess what? They’re GOING TO die.

There are good examples of bad examples, and unfortunately those are the first thing that comes to mind when a lot of people think “steroids”.

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[quote]spk wrote:

carl lewis took illegal drugs as did ben. why did ben get the ax and not carl ?? ben smoled him big time in this 100m.[/quote]

because carl lewis was america’s poster boy at the time and was being groomed for the big show, american olympic officials had it all but set in stone that Lewis was going to win the 100m and go on tour with talk shows and media deals etc. The media coverage before the event on Lewis was massive.

Having a Canadian blow the poster boy out of the water, by a huge gap? Unacceptable.

While Johnson did testify to steroid use, the details make it very clear someone purposefully sabotaged his drug test. They found INTACT stanozolol in his urine. This is almost impossible, as metabolized stanozolol wouldve been… metabolites… of stanazolol not the intact compound.

Furthermore at the testimony, Johnson, his coach Charlie Francis, and the physician who administered drugs to Johnson and other athletes, all testified to the use of Furazabol, not stanozolol.

So one of two things happened: either Johnson was administered stanozolol under the mistaken belief it was furazabol (unlikely, given IIRC the drugs were sourced through pharmaceutical production from japan) OR, someone sabotaged johnson’s analysis.

the latter is extremely likely, considering that intact stanozolol was found, and that Johnson got caught on the biggest day of his life despite having passed the same testing procedures time and time before.

At the end of the day, athletes just do whatever they have to, to win. Its their livlihood after all, not a silly high school game for a plastic trophy.

The real corrupt motherfuckers have and always will be the officials and managers.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]boatguy wrote:
Having seen Bruce Willis up close, that dude is wasting away. When he had his back to us, you could see knobs of his spine sticking out. Ironic, because his stunt double is friggin jacked. SPOLIER - If you see him in a scene where he looks jacked but you can’t quite see his face, that is his stunt double.

Watch the end scene of RED. In the shots where you can see his face, his clothes are hanging off him. When it is a distance shot or back shot, the costume is stretched around the muscular frame of his double.[/quote]

Bruce Willis was never particularly big or ripped. He looked like a former athlete gone to seed and it was even referenced in some of the roles he played. [/quote]

He had slightly chubby cheeks back iin the 80s. Well I mean at least chubby compared to now.
He seems to have absolutely no energy now too. I mean Arnie and Sly may look older than Bruce but Bruce just looks and moves like he’s so tired.

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[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]boatguy wrote:
Having seen Bruce Willis up close, that dude is wasting away. When he had his back to us, you could see knobs of his spine sticking out. Ironic, because his stunt double is friggin jacked. SPOLIER - If you see him in a scene where he looks jacked but you can’t quite see his face, that is his stunt double.

Watch the end scene of RED. In the shots where you can see his face, his clothes are hanging off him. When it is a distance shot or back shot, the costume is stretched around the muscular frame of his double.[/quote]

Bruce Willis was never particularly big or ripped. He looked like a former athlete gone to seed and it was even referenced in some of the roles he played. [/quote]

He had slightly chubby cheeks back iin the 80s. Well I mean at least chubby compared to now.
He seems to have absolutely no energy now too. I mean Arnie and Sly may look older than Bruce but Bruce just looks and moves like he’s so tired.[/quote]

He just became a grumpy bastard like Harrison Ford. McClane and Indy might as well be played by other actors.

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One of my favorite steroid stories was when Jim Wendler said his dog found his way into an old bottle of dbol and ate the whole bottle’s worth. It got really bloated for a couple days, but was otherwise completely fine. If your dog ate the contents of a full bottle of basically anything you can buy over the counter at Walgreens, you’ve got a dead dog on your hands.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
PED’s are really LED (life enhancing drugs)… [/quote]

I highly disagree. People who use drugs for performance enhancement do not use them in clinical dosages or they use them when they are not medically needed, and using them in amounts that enhance performance are actually detrimental to health in most cases.

Thats why I said …when used properly. Steroids enhance your performance, when used in a nonmedical setting such as a sports game, they shuould really be called POEDs-performance over enhancing drugs
I disagree that using them in enhancing amounts are detrimental, that’s a very blanketed statement, especially for these drugs.

I am on TRT that puts me in the normal range for T. I don’t have any advantage over a natural guy because my T value is at the natural level.

Regardless of what level they put you at the enhance what is your natrual state…hence life enhancing drugs.

Again I said they are LEDs when used properly, proper use would be like in your situation when they take your levels from low to normal…among other examples