I agree with all of this but I feel as if especially in the modern era both parties feel like they have to cater to the fringes at least some. Probably fearful of social media spread by both fringes. Republicans probably know some blocks of Trump voters like the Q people are flat nuts but they don’t want to anger them for fear that it may spread in some undesirable way.
Would be nice if each side was able to simply look at the looniest and say fuck off make a fringe third party don’t vote for us. I also think the internet makes more people listen to and spread those fringe ideas.
The Southern infrastructure and building industry are currently being manned almost exclusively by Hispanics, many of whom are illiterate in either English or Spanish.
No the place to start with election security is to take away voting on Sunday and water in lines. That’s precisely how the fraudulent get away with it all the time. Heck we should lower the amount of polling places. Less likely to have fraud if people are waiting longer in line.
When you’re fighting a war against something people say is widespread but can’t ever find I guess I can’t make a good argument against looking at water and the weekend.
Wouldn’t surprise me. Showing up to do hard work that few others in the country want to do. Seems like we don’t have an immigrant problem as much as an immigrant solution. The people rioting at the capitol may hate immigrants, but they sure as shit aren’t doing many of those jobs are they?
Even many on the right know this if they are honest with themselves. People can make all sorts of arguments about amounts this that whatever but the idea that we have massive amounts of Americans waiting to do this shitty jobs is a myth that needs to die. Most Americans are lazy as shit and don’t need to do that type of work anyways to get by. Plenty of much easier jobs that pay better.
This is hardly a new development either it’s been true for a good long while.
This is not totally accurate.
I am familiar with an operation where manufacturing workers (200ish Hispanics) are still making min8mum wage after 10+ years. And having done some construction projects, they will simply work for a fraction of the money. There are no Asian or Blacks here doing construction, and Whites are rare - unless running jobs or licensed trades.
I have 2 sisters in law from MX, and get along and even like the working classes I’ve been in contact with. We simply can’t take the equivalent population of Kansas moving into Texas, in the last decade alone.
Edit some cato institute dude sending their kid to private school and living in a gated community writing an opinion on this means zero to me. It would be like me trying to know about your clients without having done your job. Actually my wife (retired spec programs teacher) did a 1 year home visit program and her stories were like whoa.
I don’t know. I did all sorts of shitty jobs growing up, and through and immediately after college, but there was no way they were going to be a career choice. I think the problem is more about working conditions and pay. Immigrants, especially illegal ones, are just easier to exploit because they have a limited perspective or outlook. They are thinking about escaping extreme violence from gangs and cartels, having a roof over their heads and food. A legal immigrant from some place like India or Nigeria is thinking about their kids having the opportunity to become doctors.
Yep. They are easier to exploit by big businesses and wealthy people. We should cut those wealthy people’s taxes! I kid.
My main point was it’s not like a ton of Americans are jobless because of this. We don’t have a ton of Americans searching for work in these “fields” at all. We have way too many better jobs open.
Same. I built my fair share of fence, hauled way too much hay, cleaned pig barns, etc. I’m not sure I could find data but I feel anecdotally like teens aren’t doing these types of jobs at the same level (though I’m sure some are).
Western Kansas farms are sustained through immigrants. Even the conservative farmers out there argued in front of legislators that if you get rid of them the whole thing ceases to exist. You’d probably have to triple the pay (or more?) in some of these places to get enough workers.
That’s OK with me. But I buy most of my meat, eggs and dairy from local farmers so price increases in the supermarket won’t affect me much as I already pay more. Americans eat too much anyway so increased prices might be a good way for them to finally stop being hogs.
I think if food prices go up, most of the obese people will switch to less expensive food vs eating less (might be a combo of both). Maybe obese people on average are eating a lot of the less expensive food (processed junk food is what I mean by that). Obesity seems to be highly correlated to poverty. High cost food often is not calorie dense. Low cost food is calorie dense (very often at least).
They don’t buy cheap food because of money but because they are not very smart. They can afford healthier food but that requires planning and a willingness to cook. Also, and most importantly, it requires caring about one’s health (and the health of their kids) and having your priorities right.
If inner city schools provided healthy meals, parents and kids would revolt. We already know this. If schools said too bad, eat it or don’t eat it but this is what we are offering (and it’s free) maybe you could get kids to learn to like healthy food. Meanwhile, suburban schools have salad bars and vegetarian options. Parents pack lunches for their kids.
I worked in a supermarket and you could almost always tell if someone was going to pay with foodstamps based on what they bought. I never saw a person on foodstamps use coupons but people who were well off used them all of the time.
I do think it is a bit of both. A really close buddy of mine is a director for a Boys and Girls club in central South Dakota (Reservation). There at least, it is both. They can’t afford more expensive food, but I do feel they would eat healthier if they had money (still unhealthy IMO, but they would at least eat better proteins).
I don’t think many of them ever develop a taste for better food. They eat junk food their whole childhoods. They get food donations, but it is almost always junk food. Coke and it’s affiliates donate to the club. I am not saying it is bad that Coke donates, but it would be great if someone who produced healthy food donated, or the govt took some of the surplus produce and donated it too.
I worked in a school where they did get produce from the govt for the kids’ lunches. It wasn’t like that nasty govt cheese either but stuff as good as you would find in a supermarket. One day they had fresh blueberries that were really good but, most of it ended up in the trash.
But it’s not just a poor people thing. As a kid I remember seeing what Americans would eat and thinking it was disgusting. Mac and cheese from a box? Soup from a can? TV dinners? I weighed that against seeing my aunt buy fresh fish that had been caught just hours earlier, getting fruit from an orchard that my father’s friend owned, eating bread that was still warm from the oven and seeing dinner walking around earlier in the day.
Well, yeah. Because we tell people they must have 15 dollars minimum wage, cradle to grave healthcare, access to loans (that’ll be eventually forgiven) for eduction into their thirties…Or, they’re practically slaves. Most of which I doubt CATO supports.
Nope. Can’t cut fern, live multi-generation/multi-family in one abode, accept to live and die with what health outcomes you’ve been dealt, concentrate on finding the next job/ multiple jobs instead of education.
Here in my hometown, heck yeah the illegals took over the grunt work of the fern and nursery industry. Pay them peanuts. Pack them into some residence together. Healthcare? Pffft disposable, faceless, and interchangeable units. The language barrier helps to make sure you don’t get to know them as people. Late a day or two because of a sick child? Bye! Won’t pick you up at the corner store tomorrow.That way you can really treat them like the cheap bio-harvesters units they are. Might feel more remorse with poor black and white Americans you could unintentionally get to know through the sharing of a same language. Eh, maybe you bring some beers when you’re feeling like a generous white boss.
Actually it’s a boon for having a plethora of small businesses. Low entry on labor costs. The displaced white and black labor, with less competition, would expect better pay. Which then means those starting their fern business, stretched incredibly thin, couldn’t afford to make the start.
Profits are the only thing that matters. Helping them out in anyway would be a real socialist move. I bet if we cut taxes for billionaires these people would drown in the steady wealth that would trickle down so fast they may almost drown.
Yes I shouldn’t have left them out. I’m aware that small businesses are every bit as capable of exploiting.
