Again; @H_factor posted something that requires emphasis:
Clinton conceded within 24 hours; and President Obama congratulated Trump on his win within the same time frame.
Democratic Legislators in both the House and Senate did the same (and as far as I know without exception).
Democratic Legislators in both the House and Senate certified the EC results (lead by the Joseph R. Biden).
President Obama graciously offered advice (along with further congratulations) for the incoming President (which Trump rejected) and was offered a Tour (which I think Melania Trump took with Michelle Obama) of the White House.
The Clintons and Obamas attended Trump’s Inauguration, with no “competitive” event planned at the same time. (President Obama probably would have played Nat King Cole instead of Sinatra, maybe?).
Months (and eventually years) into his Presidency; Trump was recognized as the duly elected President.
The list goes on and on. Post election 2016 was no where even close to Post Election 2020, @Alrightmiami19c…not even close…
(And because I know the Trump apologist will bring up the impeachments…these were brought on by Trump’s proven behavior; the proven behavior of his sycophant’s; and the proven behavior of the Russians. Read the findings of the United States Intelligence community if you want the proof listed ).
No, because again there is no requirement for ID and no process to verify. Nobody is doing what you describe. It is not part of the election process in any jurisdiction I’m aware of.
Even if it was, it would require investigative resources that don’t exist. Who are the people with the time to do these investigations? Why is that better than simply requiring ID to vote in person and keeping a sensible absentee procedure that’s managed locally?
And a Trump supporter would say the exact same thing in reverse. “Because the FBI said…” doesn’t change the severity of the accusations or the lengths at which they were spread. It’s the same ballpark.
IMO, setting up these resources makes a lot more sense than what the GoP is proposing. It is better because we can have a fair election, and not limit democracy, vs just ensuring a fair election. If we have to hire more people, that’s fine with me if that is the cost of being inclusive to all people who qualify to vote.
They weren’t accusations without evidence. You don’t think a massive difference exists between intelligence agencies saying a foreign power tried to influence the results and the softest President in history saying fraud if I lose before the election happened? Not to mention it was accurate. Nothing the team Trump can’t lose has said has been accurate.
And the FBI wasn’t saying we need tons of recounts. We need court cases. People should sue states. Storm the capitol. Pressure elected officials. Threaten the Vice President with death. They were saying we have evidence a foreign power tried to influence the election which was true.
Trump lost because he was a giant baby and people were sick of him. He was never popular. Biden was more popular than Clinton and performed better in the handful of battleground states she didn’t win. It really is that simple. But no I suppose ballots from North Korea coming in from Maine make the most sense.
Every election…hell, any activity… that involves humans will have deception, fraud, lies…you name it…to varying degrees…
The point is that the 2020 election was proven to be 1) the most secure in history and 2) there were not even REMOTELY enough issues that would have changed the results of the election.
If 2020 was a fraudulent election…then what the hell was 2016? (Which was less secure?). Did Trump legitimately win in 2016 or not?
That only makes sense if you believe Voter ID is bad. Voter ID really solves a LOT of the concerns of people like me who can plainly see how the system is set up to allow tampering.
You really think we should first allow people to vote without ID and then set up an entire bureaucracy to investigate these people instead of just asking for ID?
What about vote by mail? If you support H.R. 1’s dramatic expansion of that practice would you also be willing to conduct the entirety of your financial affairs by sending and receiving envelopes stuffed with cash via the US postal service?
You can’t trust mail in ballots in 2020 but you can trust millions of them in 2016. Any election a Democrat wins is rife with fraud. The only fair elections are Republican wins. That’s why for years with Republicans having voter fraud commissions they haven’t found shit.
Except you know the places where Republicans have committed fraud.
I’m old enough to remember the concerns I had over Diebold voting machines in Ohio in 2004. I still have the same basic concerns I did then as a registered Democrat who really hated GWB at the time. Why do we need this kind of software in the first place?
How do you even begin to prove a statement like that?
It’s just funny 2016 Dems lose, say stolen. 2018 dems win house, legitimate. 2020 dems win, most legitimate. 2016 gop win, legitimate. 2018 gop lose house (actually I don’t recall if they were crying foul, maybe in a few.) 2020 gop lose illegitimate.
Both sides, “its different the years we won because reasons.” Since no one can agree on the past, how about we tighten up elections and start with an ID requirment? Just my thought. It really should be welcomed by both sides if they want people to have more faith in our elections.
I don’t know if we do or not. How does their existence mean we can’t trust them though? We don’t need absentee ballots either. Soldiers and the disabled don’t need to vote unless they can make it in person.
It’s proven by the individuals and organizations whose job it is to run and approve secure elections. And in 2020 they did just that…sometimes more than once.
Good lord man. Is there a media narrative you won’t repeat?
The most secure in history… right…
Will you mail yourself $10,000 in cash and post a video to show your faith in the “most secure in history” narrative? Just drive across town and drop that envelope stuffed with cash into a mailbox.
If it is as secure as you say it shouldn’t be a big deal at all. You’ll have your cash in a few days, safe and secure in the hands of the USPS.
You don’t and I think it’s a weird statement for agencies to make. However I think a lot of people tried to make a strong point because they could see how hellbent on fighting democracy Trump had made his loons.
Ultimately you have many people (largely Republicans) in positions of power at the federal and state level saying nah this actually all went down right.
But they were all in on it, deep state, swamp etc. how could Trump lose didn’t you see he had a big rally in fucking Oklahoma or something!!!
I’ve worked with the most complex and comprehensive business software in the world. This is software designed with good outcomes in mind supported by transparent processes subject to auditing at all levels. ERP software is exponentially more complex than counting to seventy million, yet I can access the CDHDR and CDPOS tables to know exactly what changed, by who, when it was done and see the clear before-and-after picture.
The US election system, on the other hand, is clear as mud if you tried to audit it like a business. It just isn’t possible, much like the bar example I gave above. If you have no camera and no POS system to manage transactions, you will never, ever be able to prove that the bartender is fleecing you every night.
Nobody is making that argument. They are important and always have been. That doesn’t mean mailing a ballot out to everyone dead or alive, citizen or not that exists on the voter rolls is a remotely good idea, yet there it is in H.R. 1.
I don’t see how they are important. I was told on this very forum that we couldn’t trust mail in balloting by Trump supporters. Despite the fact that millions went for him in 2020 and 2016.
The amount doesn’t matter we are trying to fight fraud and have secure elections. Either we can trust absentee balloting or we can’t. If we can’t trust it then these people can bring an ID to the polls in person or they can not vote. The military can bring these people home and the disabled need to find someone to take them.
You just said you wouldn’t trust the mail above. So I don’t see how if you want to be consistent we shouldn’t eliminate them. If I can commit fraud in Kansas so can a soldier from Afghanistan.
Absentee balloting has never been the issue. Massive mail-in voting that doesn’t follow the established absentee procedure is the problem. Sending unrequested ballots out to everyone on a voter roll is in no way equivalent to the absentee system.
This is not the narrative pushed by Trump supporters on this forum. If you go back to the election threads it was we can’t trust mail in voting because we haven’t had it at this level before.
But unfortunately I must be off gentleman as I have to do something I really dislike doing and tell an employee they are being let go. Have a good one all.
I mean I guess you could say we put ABC safeties in place to ensure XYZ. I get that. But to measure their success is different and what actually matters with a claim like most secure election.