Maybe Vaccine passports can double as acceptable voter IDs.
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It is a better option in my opinion because we don’t exclude as many voters who qualify to vote. A mechanism that buys security (which increasing it hasn’t been shown to be needed) at the cost of excluding eligible voters isn’t going to fly for me. The real kicker is that the latter part (exclusion) is the most likely goal by Occam’s razor. You don’t even need to use Occam’s razor. GoP politicians have been caught saying that quite part out loud on a few occasions.
And do you think everyone who has used an ID to get into a bar or vote has a legit ID?
Yes, we do want to exclude people who are not eligible to vote. Non-citizens come to mind particularly. That is definitely the point.
How do you imagine voter ID will exclude eligible voters? How does that work where a US citizen who voted last time is somehow no longer able to vote because of this law?
Can you explain a scenario for me?
Back at you, @twojarslave…
Do eligible voters exist who don’t have an ID?
I don’t imagine many do at all. I imagine the US Citizen who wants to vote but can’t because acquiring ID is somehow out-of-reach is very rare. In fact, I don’t think any such person exists in the US today, and if they did, a simple facebook post would be all it would take to raise awareness and get this person a ride to the DMV and even a go-fund me to pay for the cost of ID and transportation.
This is why voter ID seems like a no-brainer policy.
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Oh…my bad…
That would have been 2016…
It doesn’t matter what you can or can’t imagine. People are eligible to vote if they meet these requirements (from the US government site):
The fact of the matter is that there are some eligible voters who don’t have an ID.
Have you also considered that an ID costs money. I can’t go to the DMV and get my ID for free (it costs about $40). Perhaps if we had a free ID program that was very accessible that wouldn’t be an issue.
Another issue is that depending on your area, it can be a huge hassle to get an ID. I just got mine this past winter. I had to wait outdoors for nearly 2 hours in 15 degree weather to update my ID so that it wouldn’t be expired (which would disqualify it’s use for voting). But yeah, that is realistic for older disabled people. At least the day I had to wait 2 hours it wasn’t -15 degrees out.
To say that getting an ID for all eligible voters is some easy thing is BS. It costs a significant amount of money for some people, and it is also a huge hassle in many cases.
I couldn’t begin to say which election was “the most secure in history”, but I’m not going to bet on the one with the most dramatic, last-minute changes ever coupled with the implementation of wide-spread mail-in voting without any of the process security measures of the old absentee procedure.
Call me a media narrative sucker if you want, but that doesn’t pass the smell test for me any more than the idea that women’s sports champions can have a penis. Or that Jim Crow is on the rise in Georgia. Or that White Supremacy pervades our institutions and society.
It doesn’t take much more than a superficial examination to see how each and every one of those is absurd, yet they were all cornerstones of DNC and Biden’s campaign and policy priorities.
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It really depends on the quality of the employee. Somethings it can be satisfying.
I can’t imagine who these people actually are or what their circumstances might be. Has anyone raised this as a concern for themselves and explained the circumstances? Or are these all imaginary people who could, in theory, be disenfranchised if required to present ID?
Do you think these are more numerous than the non-citizens who vote? That’s disenfranchisement too.
I’m fine with those people getting covered by sensible absentee procedures, which should be a bit of a hassle too. You should need to request one, for starters.
Not being able to imagine something isn’t proof it doesn’t exist.
I already told you how much of a hassle getting an ID was for me. Do you think that is practical for everyone to go though what I did to get an ID? I’ll give you a clue it isn’t. It was a huge PITA.
Why do we need more hoops to jump though to vote? To me if you meet the requirements set out by the Constitution, you should get to vote. ID isn’t in the requirements.
Twist it any way you want to, @twojarslave …
You believe (oh…I’m sorry…that would be mind-reading)…it APPEARS…based on what you write…that you PERHAPS have more trust in the 2016 results than the 2020 results? (Just asking…God-forbid that I would even insinuate something you didn’t say…)
Yes, I think it is just as reasonable as everything else we require ID for. This idea that no hurdles should exist is ridiculous.
To ensure election security. Same basic reason why ID is needed for the 2nd, despite no mention of that in the constitution either.
We don’t want the wrong people exercising the rights reserved for law-abiding Americans. Besides, voting is far, far more dangerous than any gun can ever be. One sociopath with a gun is a small risk compared to many sociopaths with a government.
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That is correct. My opinion is informed by the absence of widespread and significant changes to the voting processes in nearly every jurisdiction that took place in 2020 but not 2016. So yes, I believe 2016 was more secure.
Like I said, I have no idea how to determine what the “most secure” election in history was. If you force me to name one, it would be the election to name the chili cook-off winner at work two years ago. I know because I counted all of the votes myself, and my chili was voted the best.
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Show me evidence we need further security. That evidence is absent despite all of these security measures being pushed by the GoP. Are state GoP politicians just wasting their time on bills that aren’t needed? Maybe there is an ulterior motive?
LOL.
Good lord man. Is there a FOX/Conservative media narrative you won’t repeat?
You’ll have to tell me. I don’t watch Fox.
I gave the reasons why I believed 2016 was more secure. It is called backing up your opinion.
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The weakness of the system is all the evidence I need. Right now it is set up so a non-citizen can vote without any real chance of being caught. I find that problematic enough to support the idea of voter ID.
In business we don’t wait to get fleeced before we close the door for fraud and theft. We take active measures to prevent it. This is common sense.
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You mean the kind for back-up that comes from the Attorney’s Generals offices/Election officials in all-States; Security Consultants and advisors from just about every Political persuasion; (with the exception of Trump and his sycophants); Federal Election officials and watchers…the list is almost endless…