I don’t think I cited this often as you’re thinking. Maybe you’re mixing me up but I could be wrong. I also think it’s stupid to say but that’s probably been beat up before. I think the same thing about we love you to the capitol rioters. That’s a far cry from when the looting starts the shooting starts.
We view it as saying different things. I shouldn’t have said it doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t lay out anything like 2016 or pretty much any year prior. At best it’s the exact same thing right?
Well some Republicans aren’t thrilled with certain parts. Georgia Lt. Gov Geoff Duncan:
“I didn’t think it made sense for us to roll back no-excuse, absentee ballot voting,” Duncan said. “I felt like the early versions of the bill also limited Sunday voting. I didn’t think that was a really good position to take.”
“I [also] didn’t think it necessarily made sense [to not allow] water and food in line,” he added. “I think there were just better ways to do it.”
But this is probably his worst take in the eyes of the stop the count crowd if Trump is ahead and let them count if he’s behind.
“I think the best place for Republicans to start in any sort of election reform conversation is to start off by saying former President Donald Trump lost the election fair and square,”
I never realized how racist my home state is until all this Georgia voting law stuff. We didnt get early voting until 2020. There no Sunday voting either (we’ll not in my county, maybe others did.) Very progressive for NY.
I don’t know how you didn’t. How to determine:
Question 1: Does this thing exist?
If no, it’s racist. If yes, it’s racist.
Employed by all sides.
Not even remotely on the same scales. I can list of examples all day. Can you? Why don’t you start with one.
What’s the most deceptive rhetoric or biggest lie advanced by modern Republicans? How would you explain the harm caused by this deception?
Trump won the 2016 election.
Trump was President for four years, and a guy put his feet up on Nancy Pelosi’s desk.
WOW does this need to be emphasized…
And no…it won’t (and hasn’t happened) a) in any appreciable numbers by Trumpublicans b) by a significant number of GTP lawmakers, and last (but most importantly) by Trump.
It also needs to be pointed out that in 2020…it was the GTP that pushed (and/or were at best, complicit about) probably the greatest political “false narrative” of all time; Trump won; there was massive election fraud that stole the election from Trump; and that the only way Biden could have won was because of massive election fraud.
The damage done by this false narrative can’t even be measured and will last for at least a generation.
This is why I often have little in response.
I can’t believe that this was even asked.
(…and of course, here comes the deflection. I have to go to work…)
There is a very, very long list of data, events, and sworn testimony under penalty of perjury that supports the notion of foul play with various methods. You can call that a “narrative” if you want, but there is much more evidence for that than Russian Collusion giving Trump the victory in 2016.
Remember when you were asked to provide an example of white supremacist actions or laws that we should be most concerned about and came up with nothing, zilch, nada? Not a single example even after you started a thread expressing disbelief that anyone could consider the white supremacist narrative a media hoax?
THAT’s a fact-free narrative, just like every other major talking point of the modern Democrats from border “security” and election “security” to gun control. There is no substance to any of it, it is all narratives and policies that we’re expected to support without any evidence for improved outcomes.
Remember when we had a summer of riots because people were led to believe that systemic racism pervades our institutions and law enforcement? That’s a real consequence, meanwhile you use vague and impossible-to-disprove statements like…
Can you back that up in any way whatsoever?
As if you should ever have to back up what you say with a single supporting fact. Everyone knows the Republicans are lying racists. The narrative informs us so.
BOTH major political parties are their own worst enemies.
To place some sense of greater truth or morality on one as opposed to another is a false narrative in and of itself.
Let me preface this by explaining I’m not saying because one team did something, it’s okay for the other. Not making that claim. My question is, wasn’t the precedent set for this in 2016-2019? 3 years of saying the president was not legitimately elected by the people, a false narrative of the same gravity you describe, must have had as large an impact on the electorate and their faith in voting.
That has always been true.
This is not. It wasn’t true 50 years ago during the civil rights struggles, it wasn’t true 50 years before that and it wasn’t true going back to the founding of the Democrats as a pro-slavery institution. Sometimes the ideas clash, and then it is time to pick a side.
What has also always been true is that the Republican party, flawed as it has always been, is and continues to be the only means by which the Democrats terrible and often evil policy ideas have ever been stopped.
We’re at another point in history right now. If H.R. 1 passes it will mean de-facto one-party rule no matter what people vote for. The details of that bill are repugnant and a clear, brazen attempt to make election tampering of all kinds even more impossible to prove than it is now.
How is this?
Well, it isn’t impossible at all right now to prove fraud occurred. Verification is possible now, and this bill doesn’t change that.
I don’t disagree with that being an issue or a problem but it isn’t even close to the same level. The vast majority of people accepted Trump as President and important to remember that Clinton conceded within 24 hours . A big difference with the Russia thing is that intelligence officials said that Russia played a part in the election and this was proven true. Sure Dems were upset and the looming Mueller report not coming to a close for a while didn’t help as it didn’t give much closure.
Compare that to 2020 where no intelligence and other agencies claimed fraud. Where a President still hasn’t congratulated. Where over 60 if I remember right Court cases were lost. Where a capitol was invaded under false pretenses. A Vice President’s life was said to need to be ended for him performing his constitutional duty. Where other states sued other states because they were sad about the election outcomes.
I don’t see how anyone can have the events of 2016 election vs 2020 in the same ballpark. Even the most rose colored Republicans should be able to see the stark differences.
A combination of above-board and below-board mechanisms to ensure the important races go to the right people without making it as brazen as sham elections in third world shitholes. It doesn’t need fraud everywhere to work, just in the right places.
Not even close.
How do you verify the tables in Dominion software? Why do you need complex software to tally votes in the first place, and why does any of that code need to be developed outside of the US? Why does data need to flow outside the US? Why not keep it all local and easily audited? This is literally one-two-three counting software.
How do you verify that a mail-in ballot was cast by the person whose name is on it?
How do you verify that the person is alive?
How do you verify that the person is a citizen of the USA?
How do you verify that the person is a citizen of the jurisdiction they are voting in?
How do you verify the ballots are valid when poll watchers get kicked out and cheered on-camera, and we pretend that it isn’t evidence of fraud?
These are all simple problems to solve with things like voter ID and sensible voting processes that should have broad agreement, but for some reason one party insists that these things are somehow racist and should never be implemented.
Why do you think that is?
You check. Sure it isn’t easy, but it is possible.
How, if ID need not be presented to vote?
Can you explain the process by which a foreign national who registers to vote in Maine with a utility bill is found out and his vote discounted?
You still need to have a name and other info. Can they not be reasonably certain that Bill Smith who lives on 123 Pine Drive is who he says he is or isn’t with a bit of research?