Just like I don’t get to choose how tens or hundreds of millions of people become deeply convinced that the USA is a systemically racist country in need of dramatic transformation that they can’t quite pin down in specific terms, you don’t get to choose how tens or hundreds of millions of people become deeply convinced that the 2020 election was not quite as neat as many people would like to believe.
The increasingly grotesque restrictions on increasingly broad forms of free expression do not make the case any stronger, in my opinion.
dramatic transformation is subjective as heck and actually a weird thing to say as a supporter of someone who just ran under the slogan of making America Great Again. But that seems like a different debate altogether.
I don’t “choose” it. The answer is so obvious pretending it isn’t the answer is just a defense mechanism at this point. It’s absurd to come to another other conclusion than these people were going to believe this if Trump lost. An incredibly passionate base who believed numerous demonstrably untrue statements before, during, and after the election is going to magically stop? Come on man. I’m not choosing anything. I’m just saying that the purple sign is purple.
That’s the whole point of the problem. How do you want to live next to everyone who disagrees with you? You don’t get to choose other people’s opinions. And we are all, each and every one of us, surrounded by people who disagree with our ideas.
Do you want to see conservative voices eliminated from social media?
Do you want conservatives to have serious personal, financial and social consequences if they disagree with you?
Do you want conservatives to undergo compulsory indoctrination into your ideology under threat of job loss?
Do you want conservatives to become a neutered political bloc as they already have in our Democratic bastions? We already know what happens in the USA when you don’t keep any conservatives around. Chicago has made a multi-generational promise to pay for generous pensions of current and upcoming government retirees. This is along with billions of dollars in other fuckery to go along with unimaginable wartime conditions in a few jurisdictions that have been going on for decades.
Probably the same way I do now man. Never ever speaking about politicos or religions except on some random forum populated by a few people. I’ve lived by and worked by conservative people all my life. In fact I know very few liberals.
I’m not trying to do so. I’m merely saying I believe it’s as close to fact as possible that Trump fans would behave that way if he lost. That he programmed them to react in this way. And I use that word intentionally. I mean this is a guy whose supporters have largely unquestioned him for years now. So when he tells them that if he loses it’s because of fraud and he loses and they all say “it was stolen” what other conclusion are we to come to?
No. This has nothing to do with my posts on the election. I am not saddened if shrieking white supremacists can’t post on a popular website though. I’m not saddened if Twitter decides that they are going to ban the guy who says hang Mike Pence. I’d be pretty annoyed if they banned a guy for saying he wants a balanced budget though. But I also don’t think being banned from Twitter means you can’t talk or anything anyways.
It seems as if people are saying that conservatives are being silenced a lot on America’s most dominating cable news network and in a near monopoly on talk radio which I listen to. So maybe they are. I guess maybe that’s that narrative?
I don’t think I have the ideology you think I have but no and this isn’t something I’ve said.
What are you talking about? Republicans had control of everything four years ago? Neutered? They control much more at local levels than Dems at numerous times. If Republicans are neutered then what the hell are Dems? This doesn’t have anything to do with my post though I don’t believe.
Trump didn’t make anyone do anything. He’s a slick salesman always has been. But a large amount of people lost their ability to think rationally when it came to him and he started to be worshipped. I mean we had an entire party who didn’t make a platform! They just said what he wants. And that kept people from being able to critically think about what he was saying. When Donald Trump says something that is demonstrably horseshit he says it with such conviction that you wonder if he’s correct. I don’t even blame people really. Very common reaction.
But the reaction to his loss was completely expected. The unexpected thing would have been for his followers to say “you know what I liked him but he took an L there. He won the close race last time lost it this time. That’s ok the other side wins from time to time and it sucks but it’s America and the pendulum will swing back. That would have been shocking.
Do you believe I’m being programmed by Our Now and Forever President Donald J. Trump? Am I merely some Trumpian Automaton, acting out the script I’ve been told to read through means I’m incapable of understanding? Do I even know what it means to be hyooman. Or is it human? Only Trump can say for sure.
You can’t be a fan unless you own the below. But you gotta give him credit for going somewhere else for his stuff. Unlike many of his clothes this was made in America.
Well North America at least. They didn’t pay for the wall but they built this statue and donated it I believe!
You probably think I’m wearing this but you’d be mistaken. I wore that yesterday. But in reality how is this an item for purchase and it comes in a tank top?! I need to hit the arms more before rocking that.
All for it. I think cancel culture is already becoming overplayed though as it’s something both sides have long done or attempted. People were boycotting the NFL because a player’s freedom of expression in taking a knee offended them. Kids trying to cancel Eminem because of lyrics. Burning Harry Potter books and Pokémon because they offend religion or something. Banning of alcohol. It’s all the same stuff nothing new really. It’s just a bit more connected and in our face because of the internet. I remember trying to ban video games over Mortal Kombat. You go back and look at those games now it looks like Kool-Aid.
The internet informs us and connects us to all the little corners of the world but this stuff has all been done before. A lot of it is first world problems. We have so much free time and abundance people just fill it with whatever. Clearly with my number of posts and years on here I’m certainly guilty. But I think this my only real vice as I don’t do anything else other than work and hang with family/friends. This is as social media as I get and I like the fact that no one knows anything about me that I haven’t openly shared and it’s anonymous.
But I totally agree as much as people want to talk about differences and it’s what we do on here arguing about stuff that is the same as we’ve been arguing about for forever doesn’t change much. We’ve all got far more in common than not.
You guys sure get hot about voter ID. My home (Northern Ireland) has had it for decades and we have a higher turnout than the US.
It’s really not that difficult to manage.
I haven’t read HR1, so I won’t opine, but there’s nothing unmanageable or, per se, wrong about requiring ID to vote. I’ve provided it in every single election I’ve voted in, and Northern Ireland has a fairly problematic history regarding Catholics who vote.
It’s a made up problem here. Americans are some of the most ignorant people when it comes to civics. They have this idea that someone can just walk into any voting booth and vote, come back 5 minutes later and vote again, and so on. You have to wonder if they ever voted before they are so ignorant of the process. It’s the same way they don’t know what open borders means.
By “ID” I assume that includes things like a utility bill or a name tag (must be done with a permanent marker). Last I checked you guys still value civil rights.
Much more stringent than that. To vote in the last referendum I needed in date photo Identification. I think you can use your age card, passport, driver’s license, work identification if it has your date of birth etc.
I’m surprised no one has thought of doing that in the US.
Here’s the thing about voter ID: no one cried about fraud before but now, suddenly, voter ID is an issue (for fraud that so far has not been proven). So, because of some ancient cultural influences that most Americans sadly lack, my initial thought is that those who are bringing up voter ID now, in spite of how they try to dress it up with positive sounding reasons (like all tyrannies claim to have the people’s best interests in mind and are doing what’s best for us), are actually up to something nefarious. In other words, if fraud is not an issue then what exactly will these so-called security measures really be doing (since again, they won’t be fighting fraud as fraud does not exist)?
