I must say that I am disappointed at the attitude people take around here. I guess I am used to talking with fellow professors and researchers who are used to having intelligent conversations. I am sorry I posted a question that would not elicit any answer worth my time.
By the way, thanks bushy for an intelligent response outside of the obvious DOMS.
JC
[quote]James Cain wrote:
I must say that I am disappointed at the attitude people take around here. I guess I am used to talking with fellow professors and researchers who are used to having intelligent conversations. I am sorry I posted a question that would not elicit any answer worth my time.
By the way, thanks bushy for an intelligent response outside of the obvious DOMS.
JC[/quote]
Maybe you should stop posting and start asking yourself why both your training partners are working themselves to that level of intensity and your not, Eh? Mr Professor 
Or maybe you should go and do your own research into the matter instead of relying on second hand information from a forum, eh? Mr Researcher. lol.
[quote]James Cain wrote:
I must say that I am disappointed at the attitude people take around here. I guess I am used to talking with fellow professors and researchers who are used to having intelligent conversations. I am sorry I posted a question that would not elicit any answer worth my time.
By the way, thanks bushy for an intelligent response outside of the obvious DOMS.
JC[/quote]
Maybe if you were intelligent enough to learn how to ask a question properly, you wouldn’t get such a general answer.
Your question… “my friends biceps are sore after he works out, what’s going on?”
Answers… (all rational)
“ah, he just worked out buddy, they’re gonna be sore”
“ah, he is a paranoid schizophrenic with an inferiority complex”
“ah, he jerked off too long and should have switched hands every 30 seconds”
“ah, your question was pretty redundant and why bother eliciting a response to a douchebag with an attitude problem”
“ah, if you’re so superior to all us inferior wasteoids, why bother asking a simple question that everyone already knew?”
“grow a sack pansyboy, my dick is sore when I’m done fucking… now stop complaining”
“DOMS… duh!”
Nice attitude you have, after about a dozen people tried to help you and tell you the obvious with a POORLY asked question. If you want a made up answer, just make one up yourself. I’m sure your superiority complex can nip this one in the bud.
Can you say “bullseye”?
[quote]James Cain wrote:
I guess I am used to talking with fellow professors and researchers who are used to having intelligent conversations. I am sorry I posted a question that would not elicit any answer worth my time.[/quote]
Ahahahahaahaha!
Maybe you should try asking questions that are worth our time?
[quote]James Cain wrote:
I must say that I am disappointed at the attitude people take around here. I guess I am used to talking with fellow professors and researchers who are used to having intelligent conversations. I am sorry I posted a question that would not elicit any answer worth my time.
By the way, thanks bushy for an intelligent response outside of the obvious DOMS.
JC[/quote]
This coming from the guy who could not figure out why they would be sore after a work out??? Haha classic.
[quote]James Cain wrote:
I’ve had a friend of mine, and just found out my brother, have this problem. After working their biceps, both of them experience extreme tightness the next day. There is no pain or discomfort during the workout, but the next morning they wake up and usually can’t fully straighten their arms without some serious effort. Anyone know what’s going on with this?
JC[/quote]
yea, this whole thing has the stench of stupidity all over it.
how many of us have workouts where we have “no pain or discomfort during the workout”…i mean, if i get through a workout and dont have a certain amount of discomfort, i probably havent done shit.
during a set of squats where your legs are freaking burning, is that comfortable to you? max deadlift, while it may be fun when its over, is that shit comfortable for you, mid-rep?..i could go on an on citing specific examples…point being, lifting maximal poundages isnt something i would call comfortabel for many of us. and cranking out those few more reps at the end of a set when youre already burning…not exactly comfortable. maybe its just me though.
if youre having a comfortable, pain-free workout, youre probably a pussy. the stationary bike never really caused me any pain or discomfort either…well maybe that fucking seat.
I did had workout recently where I did chest flys with 35 lbs DB’s. I did 6x6 no prob. The next day my biceps where very sore, this lasted for 4 days. I must have been cheating with the bi’s and those eccentric contractions destroyed me. Its strange that I curl with 35-50 pound DB’s for 4-14 reps and never feel sore.
[quote]BigLJB wrote:
I did had workout recently where I did chest flys with 35 lbs DB’s. I did 6x6 no prob. The next day my biceps where very sore, this lasted for 4 days. I must have been cheating with the bi’s and those eccentric contractions destroyed me. Its strange that I curl with 35-50 pound DB’s for 4-14 reps and never feel sore.[/quote]
i fucking hope that was a joke.
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
yea, this whole thing has the stench of stupidity all over it.
how many of us have workouts where we have “no pain or discomfort during the workout”…i mean, if i get through a workout and dont have a certain amount of discomfort, i probably havent done shit.
[/quote]
Big bump on this. You really shouldn’t be getting that sore unless you’re overtraining that muscle group or just plain noob.
I don’t see why the observation is stupid, I’m not a noob. The point was that I never do flys and with incorrect technique my biceps got more out of it than my chest.
[quote]BigLJB wrote:
I don’t see why the observation is stupid, I’m not a noob. The point was that I never do flys and with incorrect technique my biceps got more out of it than my chest.[/quote]
actually no one said your observation was stupid. if you take a second to READ, you could follow the thread along and youd see that i said the original poster’s post had the stench of stupidity on it.
as far as you being a noob, if youre 6’2", 260 some odd pounds, and youre using 35lb dumbells for flys (forget the question of why youre even doing flys) then yea, youre a fucking noob. no one cares if youve been working out 20 years. if you have the development of a noob, and you dont understand how to make progress, such as at some point going past the 35lb dumbells, youre still a noob.
now, if you used to work out, years ago, and you come back from a long layoff, guess what, youre a noob again. in fact, anyone that gets into the iron game, then takes a long period off (such as years) never made it out of noob status in the first place, because if they had, they would never have given the training up.
the exception to this, and if this applies to you, then it applies…is if there was some type of extenuating circumstance that literally made it impossible for you to train for whatever period of time there was. getting fat, and not being in good enough shape to workout, does not count.
you decide whether or not it applies. to sum up, if youve been working out some time, and youre using 35lb dumbells to do flys, youre a noob.
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
BigLJB wrote:
I don’t see why the observation is stupid, I’m not a noob. The point was that I never do flys and with incorrect technique my biceps got more out of it than my chest.
actually no one said your observation was stupid. if you take a second to READ, you could follow the thread along and youd see that i said the original poster’s post had the stench of stupidity on it.
as far as you being a noob, if youre 6’2", 260 some odd pounds, and youre using 35lb dumbells for flys (forget the question of why youre even doing flys) then yea, youre a fucking noob. no one cares if youve been working out 20 years. if you have the development of a noob, and you dont understand how to make progress, such as at some point going past the 35lb dumbells, youre still a noob.
now, if you used to work out, years ago, and you come back from a long layoff, guess what, youre a noob again. in fact, anyone that gets into the iron game, then takes a long period off (such as years) never made it out of noob status in the first place, because if they had, they would never have given the training up.
the exception to this, and if this applies to you, then it applies…is if there was some type of extenuating circumstance that literally made it impossible for you to train for whatever period of time there was. getting fat, and not being in good enough shape to workout, does not count.
you decide whether or not it applies. to sum up, if youve been working out some time, and youre using 35lb dumbells to do flys, youre a noob.[/quote]
Thanks for the advice, wether or not I’m a noob is boring anyway. I do come here to learn and share information and experience. I sure I could use more weight for a chest fly its just I rarely do them. I perfer compound moves like deads, frontsquats, decline bench etc… I see you’ve put your years in so could you tell me, if I’m going to do flys after bench presses and maybe dumbell inclines, what weight might I use for 4x12 if I would use 85’s for the same 4x12 with flat db bench?
Thanks for the advice, wether or not I’m a noob is boring anyway. I do come here to learn and share information and experience. I sure I could use more weight for a chest fly its just I rarely do them. I perfer compound moves like deads, frontsquats, decline bench etc… I see you’ve put your years in so could you tell me, if I’m going to do flys after bench presses and maybe dumbell inclines, what weight might I use for 4x12 if I would use 85’s for the same 4x12 with flat db bench?[/quote]
do you have access to a set-up that you could do cable crossovers instead of flys? personally, ive never gotten much out of flys. the tension is only really on the chest in the lower-most portion of the movement. personally, doing partial rep flys, only working in the bottom 1/3 of the movement just isnt very comfortable on my shoulders. if youre putting flys in on the end, as a movement just to flush the muscles with blood, last effort to keep the pump a little longer, etc., try cable crossovers.
to be honest, i dont use flys or CCrossovers in my chest workout. i use a “fly machine”…not sure what its called, but thats what i call it. its the one that you can sit on forward and do the fly motion, or you can move the arms of the machine back, sit backwards, and work your rear delts. unless youre working out at home, id think your gym would have one of these, as they are basically as standard as a squat rack these days (and even some gyms have this machine, while they dont even have a decent squat and/or power rack). look for this machine. in my opinion, based on my experience, this is superior to flys and CCrossovers, because it takes virtually all stress off of the joints, allowing you to focus on the chest muscles. i throw this at the end of my chest workout, 3-4 sets of 12 or so reps.
Thanks dez6485, I 've got a pec-deck at my apartment complex, use it for reverse fly’s(rear delts). With my come-back to the iron game the triceps have really exploded same with the delts. The strange thing is my chest development is about the same as it was when I 190lbs(260ish now).
Ijust started back with the DB presses instead of the BB press and love the burn and pump I get in the chest. Wow I guess we came off the original topic about biceps, but thanks for the tips, I’ll burn off my chest with the pec-deck and see what happens for a few months.