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[quote]forlife wrote:
Tiribulus, I actually didn’t realize you believed this so let me confirm. Are you saying that God hates both the sinner and the sin?

If so, that is pretty harsh. It’s more consistent with the old testament view of God as a savage, vindictive, jealous, egocentric being of enormous power but lacking in mercy, compassion, and love.

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. That doesn’t mean He can overthrow the eternal laws of mercy and justice, which will result in the damnation of those who reject Him. But His compassion and love are infinite, and He wants all to come unto Him and be saved. [/quote]

Wow you REALLY have wise things to say when it comes to the Christian faith.

I think your subconscious it telling you something :wink:

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Well said, Pat.[/quote]
There you go - If this guy agrees with you, well you know your theology just can’t be right.[/quote]
Or it might be that forlife doesn’t know what he’s talking about and thinks he agrees. I’m really sure FL doesn’t agree with the truths of the Catholic Church.[/quote]Pat doesn’t even agree with the RCC and you know it. I know you know it, but your discipline and loyalty to Pat on one hand and your unwillingness to publicly display controversy with fellow Catholics for the sake of the image of the church on the other are something to behold. Actually those are 2 sides of the same hand. I am forced to a sort of begrudging respect (maybe) Chris. You did not take my bait on the previous page. It’s funny how people are always “clarifying” what he means, even forlife now, and I’ve never seen him confirm a single clarification.
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For life simply understood what I wrote. Obviously others don’t, can’t or won’t. They (really meaning you) are just seeking a way to discredit what I say and if a gay guy agrees with what I wrote, well it simply must be wrong! The depth of stupidity to that logic is astonishing.

“at doesn’t even agree with the RCC and you know it.” ← Really?? Example please…Don’t say dumb things you cannot back up.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Well said, Pat.[/quote]
There you go - If this guy agrees with you, well you know your theology just can’t be right.[/quote]
Or it might be that forlife doesn’t know what he’s talking about and thinks he agrees. I’m really sure FL doesn’t agree with the truths of the Catholic Church.[/quote]Pat doesn’t even agree with the RCC and you know it. I know you know it, but your discipline and loyalty to Pat on one hand and your unwillingness to publicly display controversy with fellow Catholics for the sake of the image of the church on the other are something to behold. Actually those are 2 sides of the same hand. I am forced to a sort of begrudging respect (maybe) Chris. You did not take my bait on the previous page. It’s funny how people are always “clarifying” what he means, even forlife now, and I’ve never seen him confirm a single clarification.
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I don’t confront pat in public because I do that stuff in private and I don’t follow pat around and read everything he says on the forums, I just don’t have that time. I am too absent minded really, and half the time when I read pat’s comments I am not sure what he’s saying.[/quote]

It’s true, he’s not my disciple. I am not a Jedi master and he is not a padwan. Nor vice versa. I don’t read everything Chris writes either. Believe it or not we are individuals with our own minds.
We don’t have a little Catholic sowing circle.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote: <<< God hates the sin not the person.

Like your own child, you may hate what they do, but will always love them. (we are human so this is not the case for all)

But you also want them to see what they are doing is wrong, ask for forgiveness and seriously attempt to change what it is they may be doing.
[/quote]Here watch this Chris. I disagree with apbt55 here entirely and have already extensively cited scripture demonstrating Why. Even your (Brother Chris’s) friar from our lady of Guadalupe got this. In that homily linked by you a good while back he specifically addressed this very, quite modern concept of God “hating the sin and loving the sinner” doing an able job of refuting it.

No offense to apbt55, seriously. I don’t really know you and intend nothing further by this post than to say you are just wrong on this point. This is what happens when we allow what we would do dictate what God would do rather than simply letting Him speak. The whole of the RCC is the result of this very error.
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Sounds to me like this is what you do, try to make it say what you want it to…

And coming to rash judgments and condemnations with out proper and ample evidence is what you do. As example by your behaviour here. As I stated before you cannot allow someone to poison you or your family or community.
Just look at the false pretenses by which you hate the Catholic Church. You have no evidence or proof. You have hearsay most of which is false on which to base your hatred. You have never proved your point…“Uh, you see one time a long time ago a Catholic priest did something bad, it must be from the devil.”
The truth is, Christ himself established this faith, man established yours. It’s in the Bible.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Well said, Pat.[/quote]

There you go - If this guy agrees with you, well you know your theology just can’t be right.[/quote]

Or it might be that forlife doesn’t know what he’s talking about and thinks he agrees. I’m really sure FL doesn’t agree with the truths of the Catholic Church.[/quote]

He is a rather confused individual in so many different ways.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. [/quote]

Ah, now I get it, you’re thinking that regardless of what is written in the Bible you are banking on Gods loving nature to forgive your perverted acts and allow you into heaven.

Well, that is quite a risky game now isn’t it?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yeah, I’m not sure what bait you’re talking about. If you’re talking about the “do whatever you want comment,” that wasn’t a good bait. I figured that was a joke, but if you want a good bait I would suggest next time going at it from a Sola Scriptura/Holy Script+Tradition+Magisterium angle.

I make the comment “I do what I want” all the time. That is because what I want to do is the will of God. I don’t necessarily do it all the time, I am not perfect, but I have faith and I do my penance. Obviously we all know you can’t do whatever you want (that is contradictory actually), you have to do the Father’s will and fear the Lord in order to be saved.[/quote]You knew exactly what I was doin LOL!!! And I knew you would know. Absent minded my eye LOL!!! Who are you tryin to con? You are a walking library of Roman Catholic knowledge who knows right where to dig up an answer to everything. Your memory and attention to detail are superb.

One other thing. Do not ever think I am anxious to see Pat be wrong. I would cut my own hand off before typing anything designed to simply put anyone down. That’s not he point at all though I very much doubt anything I say for now will disabuse him of this completely erroneous notion.
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Need to borrow a knife, lest ye be dishonest?

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[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Tiribulus, I actually didn’t realize you believed this so let me confirm. Are you saying that God hates both the sinner and the sin?

If so, that is pretty harsh. It’s more consistent with the old testament view of God as a savage, vindictive, jealous, egocentric being of enormous power but lacking in mercy, compassion, and love.

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. That doesn’t mean He can overthrow the eternal laws of mercy and justice, which will result in the damnation of those who reject Him. But His compassion and love are infinite, and He wants all to come unto Him and be saved. [/quote]

Wow you REALLY have wise things to say when it comes to the Christian faith.

I think your subconscious it telling you something ;)[/quote]

Thanks :slight_smile: Regardless of whether or not Love is personified in a divine being, I believe it is the path and the very definition of Heaven. Even as an agnostic, I believe there is an incredible beauty in the universe, and I want to align my life with that beauty and celebrate it for as long as I am.

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[quote]pat wrote:
little Catholic sowing circle.[/quote]

Don’t lie, you know you like getting together with me and the old ladies from Mass to nit and watch Golden Girls and the Braves.

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[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Tiribulus, I actually didn’t realize you believed this so let me confirm. Are you saying that God hates both the sinner and the sin?

If so, that is pretty harsh. It’s more consistent with the old testament view of God as a savage, vindictive, jealous, egocentric being of enormous power but lacking in mercy, compassion, and love.

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. That doesn’t mean He can overthrow the eternal laws of mercy and justice, which will result in the damnation of those who reject Him. But His compassion and love are infinite, and He wants all to come unto Him and be saved. [/quote]

Wow you REALLY have wise things to say when it comes to the Christian faith.

I think your subconscious it telling you something ;)[/quote]

But as we all know wisdom is really only proven by deeds. Mere words when actions are the contrary is not wisdom at all.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
little Catholic sowing circle.[/quote]

Don’t lie, you know you like getting together with me and the old ladies from Mass to nit and watch Golden Girls and the Braves.[/quote]

Yeah, we make Rosary and Scapular doilies for poor kids. But I definitely watch the Braves, a lot, that part ain’t a lie.
But right now I am all about the Falcons. And Matt Ryan is Catholic and does all the readings during the pre-game mass. Fr. Joe is the Falcons Chaplin and sometimes fills in at my church.
I don’t know his last name, but I offered him to be an alter boy for the pre-game mass. Phil Niekro also goes to my church; it’s star studded affair.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Tiribulus, I actually didn’t realize you believed this so let me confirm. Are you saying that God hates both the sinner and the sin?

If so, that is pretty harsh. It’s more consistent with the old testament view of God as a savage, vindictive, jealous, egocentric being of enormous power but lacking in mercy, compassion, and love.

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. That doesn’t mean He can overthrow the eternal laws of mercy and justice, which will result in the damnation of those who reject Him. But His compassion and love are infinite, and He wants all to come unto Him and be saved. [/quote]

Wow you REALLY have wise things to say when it comes to the Christian faith.

I think your subconscious it telling you something ;)[/quote]

But as we all know wisdom is really only proven by deeds. Mere words when actions are the contrary is not wisdom at all.
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Wait, but what about faith alone?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. [/quote]

Ah, now I get it, you’re thinking that regardless of what is written in the Bible you are banking on Gods loving nature to forgive your perverted acts and allow you into heaven.

Well, that is quite a risky game now isn’t it?
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He’s agnostic…

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
little Catholic sowing circle.[/quote]

Don’t lie, you know you like getting together with me and the old ladies from Mass to nit and watch Golden Girls and the Braves.[/quote]

Almost, though persuadest me to be a Catholic.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
little Catholic sowing circle.[/quote]

Don’t lie, you know you like getting together with me and the old ladies from Mass to nit and watch Golden Girls and the Braves.[/quote]

Almost, though persuadest me to be a Catholic.[/quote]

We’ll leave the light on for ya! Or a burning goat :wink:

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
little Catholic sowing circle.[/quote]

Don’t lie, you know you like getting together with me and the old ladies from Mass to nit and watch Golden Girls and the Braves.[/quote]

Yeah, we make Rosary and Scapular doilies for poor kids. But I definitely watch the Braves, a lot, that part ain’t a lie.
But right now I am all about the Falcons. And Matt Ryan is Catholic and does all the readings during the pre-game mass. Fr. Joe is the Falcons Chaplin and sometimes fills in at my church.
I don’t know his last name, but I offered him to be an alter boy for the pre-game mass. Phil Niekro also goes to my church; it’s star studded affair. [/quote]

AB for a Pre-game Mass for the Atl Falcons! That would be sweet!

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. [/quote]

Ah, now I get it, you’re thinking that regardless of what is written in the Bible you are banking on Gods loving nature to forgive your perverted acts and allow you into heaven.

Well, that is quite a risky game now isn’t it?
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He’s agnostic…[/quote]

Exactly!

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Tiribulus, I actually didn’t realize you believed this so let me confirm. Are you saying that God hates both the sinner and the sin?

If so, that is pretty harsh. It’s more consistent with the old testament view of God as a savage, vindictive, jealous, egocentric being of enormous power but lacking in mercy, compassion, and love.

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. That doesn’t mean He can overthrow the eternal laws of mercy and justice, which will result in the damnation of those who reject Him. But His compassion and love are infinite, and He wants all to come unto Him and be saved. [/quote]

Wow you REALLY have wise things to say when it comes to the Christian faith.

I think your subconscious it telling you something ;)[/quote]

But as we all know wisdom is really only proven by deeds. Mere words when actions are the contrary is not wisdom at all.
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Wait, but what about faith alone?[/quote]

Works are the fruits of faith. So in the end…faith alone :wink:

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[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Tiribulus, I actually didn’t realize you believed this so let me confirm. Are you saying that God hates both the sinner and the sin?

If so, that is pretty harsh. It’s more consistent with the old testament view of God as a savage, vindictive, jealous, egocentric being of enormous power but lacking in mercy, compassion, and love.

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. That doesn’t mean He can overthrow the eternal laws of mercy and justice, which will result in the damnation of those who reject Him. But His compassion and love are infinite, and He wants all to come unto Him and be saved. [/quote]

Wow you REALLY have wise things to say when it comes to the Christian faith.

I think your subconscious it telling you something ;)[/quote]

But as we all know wisdom is really only proven by deeds. Mere words when actions are the contrary is not wisdom at all.
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Wait, but what about faith alone?[/quote]

Works are the fruits of faith. So in the end…faith alone ;)[/quote]

So…you expect the Devil to be saved…I mean the Devil knows, he doesn’t just have faith, he knows Yeshua personally, he knows Yeshua is the savior, he knows Yeshua is God.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Tiribulus, I actually didn’t realize you believed this so let me confirm. Are you saying that God hates both the sinner and the sin?

If so, that is pretty harsh. It’s more consistent with the old testament view of God as a savage, vindictive, jealous, egocentric being of enormous power but lacking in mercy, compassion, and love.

I always believed God was the very definition of Love. That doesn’t mean He can overthrow the eternal laws of mercy and justice, which will result in the damnation of those who reject Him. But His compassion and love are infinite, and He wants all to come unto Him and be saved. [/quote]

Wow you REALLY have wise things to say when it comes to the Christian faith.

I think your subconscious it telling you something ;)[/quote]

But as we all know wisdom is really only proven by deeds. Mere words when actions are the contrary is not wisdom at all.
[/quote]

Wait, but what about faith alone?[/quote]

Works are the fruits of faith. So in the end…faith alone ;)[/quote]

So…you expect the Devil to be saved…I mean the Devil knows, he doesn’t just have faith, he knows Yeshua personally, he knows Yeshua is the savior, he knows Yeshua is God.[/quote]

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No. Please try to understand my fellow Christian. Works are the FRUITS of faith. Yes, Satan and his minions know who Christ is and they know all glory belongs to him. But he wants that glory for himself. Remember, Satan KNOWS these things, and he has seen them himself.

“Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” Heb 11:1

Satan doesn’t have faith. He just has knowledge. And as we know, knowledge can be good and bad.

A man genuinely comes to Christ today and becomes a member of a church and tells the priest that he wants to get baptized. He is to be baptized the next day. He goes home but on the way there gets into a terrible car accident and he dies. Does he go to heaven?

A young woman living in a theocratic country (the religion is obvious) turns from her old ways and accepts Christ as her Savior. She contemplates telling her family about it. She comes to the decision to tell her family. They disown her and she’s now on the streets, left to fend for herself. She does not belong to a Church, has not partaken in the Eucharist and has not been baptized. A bomb nearby goes off and kills her. Does she go to heaven?