Bible Contradictions

Brother_Chris · January 5, 2011, 2:49am

[quote]Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Because, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. Geographically speaking of the metaphysical: Hell is within the earth, and Heaven is above it. [/quote]

So, if we had the technology, we could dig to Hell? Could we, or would something prevent us from reaching it? What would happen if we did tunnel to Hell? Would the people tunneling be damned?

No snark intended, this is just interesting.[/quote]

Well it’s metaphysical, and even though theologians do say it is within the earth, the Church has not made any claim to whether infernus is in the earth or not. And, even if infernus was within the earth, as soon as we passed the crust we would be dead with it being 1000 Celsius.

Tiribulus · January 5, 2011, 4:01am

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<>>[/quote]I don’t know what you mean about incorrect conclusions, but you know more RCC theology that 99% of the laity in this country especially.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
To your questions:
Because, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. <<<>>>
As well, Our Father wouldn’t allow it, those that are unclean/corrupted are not allowed in the presence of the Father, >>>[/quote]Well this would certainly include me apart from the perfect purity of the only begotten Son of God who loved me and though He knew no sin was made sin for me. I did read the rest and there was a real mixture in there. Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but RCC clergy, especially in the west, care less and less what the church actually teaches all the time.

I’m downloading your Mary video now. I told you I’d watch it and I will. I’ve been super busy.

Brother_Chris · January 5, 2011, 5:07am

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<>>[/quote]I don’t know what you mean about incorrect conclusions, but you know more RCC theology that 99% of the laity in this country especially.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
To your questions:
Because, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. <<<>>>
As well, Our Father wouldn’t allow it, those that are unclean/corrupted are not allowed in the presence of the Father, >>>[/quote]Well this would certainly include me apart from the perfect purity of the only begotten Son of God who loved me and though He knew no sin was made sin for me. I did read the rest and there was a real mixture in there. Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but RCC clergy, especially in the west, care less and less what the church actually teaches all the time.

I’m downloading your Mary video now. I told you I’d watch it and I will. I’ve been super busy.
[/quote]

Yes, some folks in the Latin Rite have become, uh…liberal about certain things, that is why I love having Bishop Olmsted as my Bishop.

That’s also why when I am home I go to a to one of the Byzantine Divine Liturgies or a Tridentine Mass. Yes, I either drive 30-40 minutes or I drive for an hour to go to Mass (Divine Liturgy) on Sundays.

However, the younger clergy are turning that around, thankfully. More and more younger clergy are traditionalist, following the teachings of the Catholic Church by the letter of the law, not this “spirit of VII” stuff.

pat · January 5, 2011, 3:20pm

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<>>[/quote]I don’t know what you mean about incorrect conclusions, but you know more RCC theology that 99% of the laity in this country especially.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
To your questions:
Because, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. <<<>>>
As well, Our Father wouldn’t allow it, those that are unclean/corrupted are not allowed in the presence of the Father, >>>[/quote]Well this would certainly include me apart from the perfect purity of the only begotten Son of God who loved me and though He knew no sin was made sin for me. I did read the rest and there was a real mixture in there. Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but RCC clergy, especially in the west, care less and less what the church actually teaches all the time.

I’m downloading your Mary video now. I told you I’d watch it and I will. I’ve been super busy.
[/quote]

Yes, some folks in the Latin Rite have become, uh…liberal about certain things, that is why I love having Bishop Olmsted as my Bishop.

That’s also why when I am home I go to a to one of the Byzantine Divine Liturgies or a Tridentine Mass. Yes, I either drive 30-40 minutes or I drive for an hour to go to Mass (Divine Liturgy) on Sundays.

However, the younger clergy are turning that around, thankfully. More and more younger clergy are traditionalist, following the teachings of the Catholic Church by the letter of the law, not this “spirit of VII” stuff.[/quote]

There is always a wrestling between the ‘letter of the law’ vs. ‘spirit of the law’ since the beginning of the church. Both are needed and it is certainly a fine line. But to go to far in one direction for the sake of the other direction is an error, as there must be balance there. What is not needed is the in fighting that this can sometimes cause because it takes to focus off of Christ and put’s it on the ego’s of those involved in the fight. It validates the 1rst commandment.
It breaks down basically like this, if you want rules and regulations, you got them in spades. If you feel that is the best way to Christ it is what you should do. But if you put to much emphasis on the ‘rules’ you take the focus off of God. That’s a dangerous proposition because Christ himself rallied vehemently against the Pharisees for such behaviour.

Likewise, abandoning the rules and just jumping up and down about how much you love Christ, but you do what you want with no regard for His commands is a no-go as well. Again the focus is off of Christ and on yourself in this case as well.
Bottom line balance is needed. Usually, if you follow, I mean actually, really, follow the big 2 (love of God and love of neighbor) you will end up living in the light of Christ in faith and action. Of course, perfecting the big 2 is an on going struggle until death, you never do it good enough.

forlife · January 5, 2011, 10:57pm

Well said, Pat.

Tiribulus · January 6, 2011, 2:54am

[quote]pat wrote:
<<< if you want rules and regulations, you got them in spades. If you feel that is the best way to Christ it is what you should do. >>>[/quote]I can’t. I just can’t let this slide. God help me I tried. This is the end result of Roman Catholic thinking. How can anyone who’s tasted His mercy and grace possibly believe this kind of mindset can in any way be associated with the Jesus of the new testament.

Brother_Chris · January 6, 2011, 6:30am

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<>>[/quote]I don’t know what you mean about incorrect conclusions, but you know more RCC theology that 99% of the laity in this country especially.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
To your questions:
Because, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. <<<>>>
As well, Our Father wouldn’t allow it, those that are unclean/corrupted are not allowed in the presence of the Father, >>>[/quote]Well this would certainly include me apart from the perfect purity of the only begotten Son of God who loved me and though He knew no sin was made sin for me. I did read the rest and there was a real mixture in there. Also, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but RCC clergy, especially in the west, care less and less what the church actually teaches all the time.

I’m downloading your Mary video now. I told you I’d watch it and I will. I’ve been super busy.
[/quote]

Yes, some folks in the Latin Rite have become, uh…liberal about certain things, that is why I love having Bishop Olmsted as my Bishop.

That’s also why when I am home I go to a to one of the Byzantine Divine Liturgies or a Tridentine Mass. Yes, I either drive 30-40 minutes or I drive for an hour to go to Mass (Divine Liturgy) on Sundays.

However, the younger clergy are turning that around, thankfully. More and more younger clergy are traditionalist, following the teachings of the Catholic Church by the letter of the law, not this “spirit of VII” stuff.[/quote]

There is always a wrestling between the ‘letter of the law’ vs. ‘spirit of the law’ since the beginning of the church. Both are needed and it is certainly a fine line. But to go to far in one direction for the sake of the other direction is an error, as there must be balance there. What is not needed is the in fighting that this can sometimes cause because it takes to focus off of Christ and put’s it on the ego’s of those involved in the fight. It validates the 1rst commandment.
It breaks down basically like this, if you want rules and regulations, you got them in spades. If you feel that is the best way to Christ it is what you should do. But if you put to much emphasis on the ‘rules’ you take the focus off of God. That’s a dangerous proposition because Christ himself rallied vehemently against the Pharisees for such behaviour.

Likewise, abandoning the rules and just jumping up and down about how much you love Christ, but you do what you want with no regard for His commands is a no-go as well. Again the focus is off of Christ and on yourself in this case as well.
Bottom line balance is needed. Usually, if you follow, I mean actually, really, follow the big 2 (love of God and love of neighbor) you will end up living in the light of Christ in faith and action. Of course, perfecting the big 2 is an on going struggle until death, you never do it good enough.[/quote]

Yes, and what I like to point out to others that there is ten commandments which fall under these two commandments, there are also other commandments which also fall under these two besides just the ten.

Brother_Chris · January 6, 2011, 6:36am

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
<<< if you want rules and regulations, you got them in spades. If you feel that is the best way to Christ it is what you should do. >>>[/quote]I can’t. I just can’t let this slide. God help me I tried. This is the end result of Roman Catholic thinking. How can anyone who’s tasted His mercy and grace possibly believe this kind of mindset can in any way be associated with the Jesus of the new testament.
[/quote]

The kind that read the part where Jesus instructed us to do as they [Pharisees] say, and not as they do. The Pharisees teaching was their best quality, and they were one of the best when it came to Holy Script, they just were hypocritical in their behavior. Like when Jesus asked them, which one of them sinned not, to throw the first stone.

He was not saying that stoning a prostitute was hypocritical, but that if she was a prostitute and she was guilty to be stoned, which one of these men was the man that they were supposed to stone, as well. Which one of them had not slept with this woman, and was not guilty of being stoned along side her.

system · January 6, 2011, 10:56am

If you live in Love/Good Will, and follow the 10 Commandments…you’re golden.
Add in an alignment with the Lord’s Prayer and that’s icing.

Everything else is extraneous, and as Pat said, could distract from Christ.

Tiribulus · January 6, 2011, 1:21pm

Yeah, you should do what you feel is best to know the most high God and His Christ. It’s all over the bible from Genesis to Revelation. I don’t know how I could’ve missed it.

ZEB · January 6, 2011, 1:50pm

[quote]forlife wrote:
Well said, Pat.[/quote]

There you go - If this guy agrees with you, well you know your theology just can’t be right.

ZEB · January 6, 2011, 1:51pm

Tiribulus,

The irony is that some of these people are missing out on God’s greatest gift to mankind, and they don’t even realize it.

forlife · January 6, 2011, 3:17pm

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yeah, you should do what you feel is best to know the most high God and His Christ. It’s all over the bible from Genesis to Revelation. I don’t know how I could’ve missed it.[/quote]

Not to speak for Pat, but I don’t think he was saying you can know Christ simply by doing whatever you feel is best. The way to know Christ is to study His words, learn and follow His will, pray, and ultimately be born again through His Spirit.

One of my favorites (1 Kings 19:11-12):

[quote]And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:

And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.[/quote]

pat · January 6, 2011, 9:20pm

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
<<< if you want rules and regulations, you got them in spades. If you feel that is the best way to Christ it is what you should do. >>>[/quote]I can’t. I just can’t let this slide. God help me I tried. This is the end result of Roman Catholic thinking. How can anyone who’s tasted His mercy and grace possibly believe this kind of mindset can in any way be associated with the Jesus of the new testament.
[/quote]

Because I understood the words that were written in the New Testament, that’s how. Where in the Bible, did you get your ‘Westboro’ attitude towards faith? Where does it say ‘God hates fags’, huh? Riddle me that one rabbi.

apbt55 · January 6, 2011, 9:26pm

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
<<< if you want rules and regulations, you got them in spades. If you feel that is the best way to Christ it is what you should do. >>>[/quote]I can’t. I just can’t let this slide. God help me I tried. This is the end result of Roman Catholic thinking. How can anyone who’s tasted His mercy and grace possibly believe this kind of mindset can in any way be associated with the Jesus of the new testament.
[/quote]

Because I understood the words that were written in the New Testament, that’s how. Where in the Bible, did you get your ‘Westboro’ attitude towards faith? Where does it say ‘God hates fags’, huh? Riddle me that one rabbi.
[/quote]

God hates the sin not the person.

Like your own child, you may hate what they do, but will always love them. (we are human so this is not the case for all)

But you also want them to see what they are doing is wrong, ask for forgiveness and seriously attempt to change what it is they may be doing.

apbt55 · January 6, 2011, 9:27pm

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
<<< if you want rules and regulations, you got them in spades. If you feel that is the best way to Christ it is what you should do. >>>[/quote]I can’t. I just can’t let this slide. God help me I tried. This is the end result of Roman Catholic thinking. How can anyone who’s tasted His mercy and grace possibly believe this kind of mindset can in any way be associated with the Jesus of the new testament.
[/quote]

Because I understood the words that were written in the New Testament, that’s how. Where in the Bible, did you get your ‘Westboro’ attitude towards faith? Where does it say ‘God hates fags’, huh? Riddle me that one rabbi.
[/quote]

God hates the sin not the person.

Like your own child, you may hate what they do, but will always love them. (we are human so this is not the case for all)

But you also want them to see what they are doing is wrong, ask for forgiveness and seriously attempt to change what it is they may be doing.

pat · January 6, 2011, 9:27pm