Bible Contradictions

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Nobody knows what happens when you die. Anyone who says they know for certain is a liar, and anyone who promises Hell to others is a terrorist.[/quote]

Then you have a moral duty to support having their children removed, and they themselves imprisoned. Terrorists are handled by justice systems. Well, if they’re not killed outright in combat, or during law enforcement operations. Perhaps it’ll prevent you from occasionally hearing talk about a theological concept you don’t believe in. Lord knows you aren’t seeing much “hell” in popular media or culture. Unless you’ve been unfortunate enough to HAVE to sit through an episode of Jersey Shore.

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I appreciate your use of the word, terrorist. It hits the nail on the head for some religions, or should I say, some religious people.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I appreciate your use of the word, terrorist. It hits the nail on the head for some religions, or should I say, some religious people.
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Like me, who believe in Hell.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I appreciate your use of the word, terrorist. It hits the nail on the head for some religions, or should I say, some religious people.
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Like me, who believe in Hell.[/quote]

I sorta believe in hell too…but only the self-imposed variety. And yes, we can and do terrorize ourselves with fearful thoughts. This reminds me of a very good friend of mine…several years ago, I was going through a rough time about something that I was talking to her about it. She stopped me in my tracks and shouted…STOP SCARING YOURSELF! Snapped me right out of it! (Probably because I was thinking WTF?) Fortunately, those three words stuck with me and will pop up when my train of thought starts to drift off into a hellish direction. Then, I’ll ask myself…Any particular reason you want to scare (terrorize) yourself?

Now, an external religious person attempting to scare me into their way of thinking and believing? Not a chance!

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According to Scripture, if one is in hell, “he shall be tormented with fire and sulfur…the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest” (Rev. 14:11). This is an “everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41).

So, there is a Hell, it does have fire, it is for the damned.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
According to Scripture, if one is in hell, “he shall be tormented with fire and sulfur…the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest” (Rev. 14:11). This is an “everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41).

So, there is a Hell, it does have fire, it is for the damned.[/quote]

That scripture says hell is for the pesty devil. Cool.

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Revelation doesn’t talk about the Devil, however afterwards it talks about those that those that die in the Lord are blessed because of Inferno’s torment.

Either way, Jesus tells of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man dies and is existing in torment…he sees…calls out…'I am in anguish in this blazing fire" (Luke 16:19-31). Jesus as well states that Inferno is likened to Gehenna. The burning trash dump southeast of Jerusalem, where trash was burned day and night in a large fire. Jesus tells his listeners that Inferno is “where the maggot does not die, and the fire is not put out” (Mark 9:42-48). Inferno is were the wicked are sent, from Inferno or “everlasting fire” (Matt. 18:8) those in there will come “weeping and the gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12).

Revelation 20, Inferno is a “Pool of fire…they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever”–all who are not in the book of life. So, if one’s name is in the book of life, one enters heaven (Rev. 21:27).

So, if someone is not in the book of life, a literal Inferno awaits.

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When I was in jail, the chaplain(who is RC) there explained heaven and hell as being the same thing. He said it’s like there’s a light, and for some people(good people), they embrace this light and enjoy it(heaven), but for other people(bad people), they prefer the darkness(bad things), and this light bothers them(hell), and they don’t enjoy it.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

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[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

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Well, for your own part, atheists such as yourself who see us as “basically terrorists” might one day get a chance to do something about us ‘terrorists.’ A possibility for you look foward to.

And, oh, happy new year. Off to bed.[/quote]

Yup. Terrorism is the use of fear to control people. So when one of you says something along the lines of “God could destroy the whole world and he’ll only save the people who believe in him!”, the point is to scare non-believers into believing.

Likewise, claiming that not believing will condemn someone to eternal unending torment when they die is another attempt to scare them into agreeing with you.

If Christianity had a scrap of credibility, christians wouldn’t have to stoop to these tactics. I’ve never heard a scientist claim that not believing in evolution or string theory would condemn a person to any kind of punishment.[/quote]

If I may point something out, you are taking it from the wrong angle. Baptists may preach the fire and brimstone stuff. However, think of it like the wedding invitation. The bridegroom has invited everyone to his wedding, however, only those that accept the invitation are allowed to go to the wedding. Why would those that don’t accept the invitation to the wedding even want to go to the wedding?[/quote]

Yeah I dont have a problem with that, to say that believers will get something better than nonbelievers after they die. Its just preying on peoples fear of death, and promising them eternal torment I find repulsive.

Nobody knows what happens when you die. Anyone who says they know for certain is a liar, and anyone who promises Hell to others is a terrorist.[/quote]

Lol, I know for certain what happens after death, I can’t give you an accurate description, although I think Dante had a good general idea. However, I don’t know what happens to individual people.

I’ll tell you something that was told to me by a teacher of mine. At the beginning of time, people asked, “Why? Why do we die?” And, people have been asking that since the beginning of time. Catholics have the right answer.

I do know there is place called Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso, I’m not sure of what it consists of, although I do know it’s self imposed.[/quote]

Nope. You do not know one little tiny bit what happens after death. Please stop lying.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Revelation doesn’t talk about the Devil, however afterwards it talks about those that those that die in the Lord are blessed because of Inferno’s torment.

Either way, Jesus tells of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man dies and is existing in torment…he sees…calls out…'I am in anguish in this blazing fire" (Luke 16:19-31). Jesus as well states that Inferno is likened to Gehenna. The burning trash dump southeast of Jerusalem, where trash was burned day and night in a large fire. Jesus tells his listeners that Inferno is “where the maggot does not die, and the fire is not put out” (Mark 9:42-48). Inferno is were the wicked are sent, from Inferno or “everlasting fire” (Matt. 18:8) those in there will come “weeping and the gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12).

Revelation 20, Inferno is a “Pool of fire…they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever”–all who are not in the book of life. So, if one’s name is in the book of life, one enters heaven (Rev. 21:27).

So, if someone is not in the book of life, a literal Inferno awaits.[/quote]

Means nothing to someone who is not a Christian. I could research hundreds of other religions and post their “what happens when you die” stories, would any of those change your ‘knowledge’? Because the followers of those religions ‘knew’ just as well as you do.

Perhaps Valhalla awaits?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Revelation doesn’t talk about the Devil, however afterwards it talks about those that those that die in the Lord are blessed because of Inferno’s torment.

Either way, Jesus tells of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man dies and is existing in torment…he sees…calls out…'I am in anguish in this blazing fire" (Luke 16:19-31). Jesus as well states that Inferno is likened to Gehenna. The burning trash dump southeast of Jerusalem, where trash was burned day and night in a large fire. Jesus tells his listeners that Inferno is “where the maggot does not die, and the fire is not put out” (Mark 9:42-48). Inferno is were the wicked are sent, from Inferno or “everlasting fire” (Matt. 18:8) those in there will come “weeping and the gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12).

Revelation 20, Inferno is a “Pool of fire…they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever”–all who are not in the book of life. So, if one’s name is in the book of life, one enters heaven (Rev. 21:27).

So, if someone is not in the book of life, a literal Inferno awaits.[/quote]

Like many stories in the Bible, this is symbolic…not literal!
More on this later…I’ve got to go now. Full day today.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
According to Scripture, if one is in hell, “he shall be tormented with fire and sulfur…the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest” (Rev. 14:11). This is an “everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41).

So, there is a Hell, it does have fire, it is for the damned.[/quote]

Unless you’re a Jehovha Witness and then you just disappear after you die. How nice. Shame it’s a lie.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Revelation doesn’t talk about the Devil, however afterwards it talks about those that those that die in the Lord are blessed because of Inferno’s torment.

Either way, Jesus tells of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man dies and is existing in torment…he sees…calls out…'I am in anguish in this blazing fire" (Luke 16:19-31). Jesus as well states that Inferno is likened to Gehenna. The burning trash dump southeast of Jerusalem, where trash was burned day and night in a large fire. Jesus tells his listeners that Inferno is “where the maggot does not die, and the fire is not put out” (Mark 9:42-48). Inferno is were the wicked are sent, from Inferno or “everlasting fire” (Matt. 18:8) those in there will come “weeping and the gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12).

Revelation 20, Inferno is a “Pool of fire…they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever”–all who are not in the book of life. So, if one’s name is in the book of life, one enters heaven (Rev. 21:27).

So, if someone is not in the book of life, a literal Inferno awaits.[/quote]

Means nothing to someone who is not a Christian. I could research hundreds of other religions and post their “what happens when you die” stories, would any of those change your ‘knowledge’? Because the followers of those religions ‘knew’ just as well as you do.

Perhaps Valhalla awaits?[/quote]

The funny thing is that in many religions there is a hell. Are they all wrong too?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Perhaps Valhalla awaits?[/quote]

That was a good movie.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Revelation doesn’t talk about the Devil, however afterwards it talks about those that those that die in the Lord are blessed because of Inferno’s torment.

Either way, Jesus tells of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man dies and is existing in torment…he sees…calls out…'I am in anguish in this blazing fire" (Luke 16:19-31). Jesus as well states that Inferno is likened to Gehenna. The burning trash dump southeast of Jerusalem, where trash was burned day and night in a large fire. Jesus tells his listeners that Inferno is “where the maggot does not die, and the fire is not put out” (Mark 9:42-48). Inferno is were the wicked are sent, from Inferno or “everlasting fire” (Matt. 18:8) those in there will come “weeping and the gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12).

Revelation 20, Inferno is a “Pool of fire…they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever”–all who are not in the book of life. So, if one’s name is in the book of life, one enters heaven (Rev. 21:27).

So, if someone is not in the book of life, a literal Inferno awaits.[/quote]

Like many stories in the Bible, this is symbolic…not literal!
More on this later…I’ve got to go now. Full day today.

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Which one, I posted several verses. When reading scripture you have to remember that there is a literal/historical, allegorical, moral and heavenly sense.

Literal - Actual place called Gehenna, Southeast of Jerusalem
Allegorical - Crossing the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism.
Moral - This is for our instruction. (St. Paul)
Anagoge - thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
When I was in jail, the chaplain(who is RC) there explained heaven and hell as being the same thing. He said it’s like there’s a light, and for some people(good people), they embrace this light and enjoy it(heaven), but for other people(bad people), they prefer the darkness(bad things), and this light bothers them(hell), and they don’t enjoy it.[/quote]

That’s weird that a RC Chaplain would say that.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Revelation doesn’t talk about the Devil, however afterwards it talks about those that those that die in the Lord are blessed because of Inferno’s torment.

Either way, Jesus tells of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man dies and is existing in torment…he sees…calls out…'I am in anguish in this blazing fire" (Luke 16:19-31). Jesus as well states that Inferno is likened to Gehenna. The burning trash dump southeast of Jerusalem, where trash was burned day and night in a large fire. Jesus tells his listeners that Inferno is “where the maggot does not die, and the fire is not put out” (Mark 9:42-48). Inferno is were the wicked are sent, from Inferno or “everlasting fire” (Matt. 18:8) those in there will come “weeping and the gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:12).

Revelation 20, Inferno is a “Pool of fire…they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever”–all who are not in the book of life. So, if one’s name is in the book of life, one enters heaven (Rev. 21:27).

So, if someone is not in the book of life, a literal Inferno awaits.[/quote]

Like many stories in the Bible, this is symbolic…not literal!
More on this later…I’ve got to go now. Full day today.

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The Bible is literature so it should be read within its full context. The Psalms are poetry. Proverbs are a collection of sayings of wisdom. Many Old Testament books are narrative history. There is also allegory, parables, hyperbole, etc. Sometimes it seems overwhelming to determing which is which, and this is what often times leads to misinterpretation.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
When I was in jail, the chaplain(who is RC) there explained heaven and hell as being the same thing. He said it’s like there’s a light, and for some people(good people), they embrace this light and enjoy it(heaven), but for other people(bad people), they prefer the darkness(bad things), and this light bothers them(hell), and they don’t enjoy it.[/quote]

That’s weird that a RC Chaplain would say that.[/quote]Why?
It’s an honest question and I am genuinely interested in the answer. In case you haven’t noticed, one thing I have never done with you is accuse you of not knowing RCC theology, doctrine or dogma.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
When I was in jail, the chaplain(who is RC) there explained heaven and hell as being the same thing. He said it’s like there’s a light, and for some people(good people), they embrace this light and enjoy it(heaven), but for other people(bad people), they prefer the darkness(bad things), and this light bothers them(hell), and they don’t enjoy it.[/quote]

That’s weird that a RC Chaplain would say that.[/quote]Why?
It’s an honest question and I am genuinely interested in the answer. In case you haven’t noticed, one thing I have never done with you is accuse you of not knowing RCC theology, doctrine or dogma.
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I wouldn’t say I know all my theology, I’m continuously in correction of my knowledge of theology, doctrine, and dogma. Not that I do not learn correctly, but my conclusions are in correct.

To your questions:

Because, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. Geographically speaking of the metaphysical: Hell is within the earth, and Heaven is above it.

As well, Our Father wouldn’t allow it, those that are unclean/corrupted are not allowed in the presence of the Father, “There shall not enter into [Paradiso] any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.”

And, after the final judgement (not judgement after you die, but after the world ends), when Jesus, the most just, places judgement on all the living and dead, the bodies of the living and the dead will receive their bodies for eternal paradise or eternal torment.

So, those in eternal torment with their most corrupted bodies, and with their most hatred of God in their hearts would not be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven as the Father does not allow those unclean into His presence.

And, those that go to Heaven have their bodies fully restored uncorrupted and their hearts most loving of God.

The differences of Inferno and Paradiso is immense, however, what I can explain it show that difference is the bodies and ghosts of those that are in both. Right now, those in Inferno have a heart fully against God, they hate God with all their being, that is what brings such torment to those in Inferno. Those in Heaven love God with all their being, which brings them so much bliss in Paradiso.

After the final judgement, Jesus restores the bodies with their respective souls or Ghosts. Those in Heaven have physical sensation that has been said by some to be infinite more sensual than the marital embrace. While those in Inferno feel in their most corrupt bodies that of a lake of fire, continuously burning the flesh, which the torment to the soul and body of those in Inferno is describe as a 100 fold of being burned alive because your heart is filled with hate for God.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Because, that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. Geographically speaking of the metaphysical: Hell is within the earth, and Heaven is above it. [/quote]

So, if we had the technology, we could dig to Hell? Could we, or would something prevent us from reaching it? What would happen if we did tunnel to Hell? Would the people tunneling be damned?

No snark intended, this is just interesting.