Bible Contradictions

[CappedAndPlanIt]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

[/quote]

I suppose you’re correct, that those that disobey the Catholic Church could do that.[/quote]

Whats to say God wont issue a call-to-arms of Catholics?

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

[/quote]

I suppose you’re correct, that those that disobey the Catholic Church could do that.[/quote]

Whats to say God wont issue a call-to-arms of Catholics?[/quote]

Well besides the fact that since Jesus died both Israel and the Gentiles are included in his covenant, also no private interpretation. God speaks to the Church and the world through the Church, through the Holy Ghost, but he is not telling (like Bush said) the Pope to go and kill abortion doctors.

[Tiribulus]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< Well besides the fact that since Jesus died both Israel and the Gentiles are included in his covenant, also no private interpretation. God speaks to the Church and the world through the Church, through the Holy Ghost, but he is not telling (like Bush said) the Pope to go and kill abortion doctors.[/quote]Do you believe that God speaks TO individual members of the body of Christ. I did not ask if He speaks THROUGH them to the church or others. Will God with specificity instruct His children about what to or not to think, speak or do about something? For instance the Word says if a man won’t work he shouldn’t eat. It does not however tell Lemuel Dinzfritter of Wounded Knee South Dakota whether he should take the job at Walmart or the one in Gary Indiana with his uncle. Will the Lord speak to the heart of brother Lemuel here with a word of confirmation or instruction?

[BBriere]

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
The Christian Scientists, as well as other groups spawned by them, have the logics like this:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent

2. God is good

3. Evil does not exist

Their theory is the more you can focus on the good and Christ, the more evil will leave your presence by the law of your own conscienceness. Likewise, people who continue to entertain concepts of sin, sickness, disharmony, discord, hatred, death…will see more evidence of that show up in their experience. Therefore, evil is made (up) or allowed by the individual who entertains it. [/quote]

It sounds great, but it’s totally un-Biblical (see especially the Book of Job). This type of teaching is very prominent in the Word of Faith movement as well (preachers like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyeer, etc.). The problem with the idea is that if you focus on good, you will get good, however, if you focus on bad, you will get bad. There is something to be said about keeping a positive attitude, but God has the ultimate authority to decide what will happen in your life.

Of course you should keep your thoughts off of sin, hatred, and evil, but there is no way to stop sickness, old age, death, and other problems that everyone faces. Evil was created by the creation of free will. God created free will so he created the ability for mankind to do evil.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< Well besides the fact that since Jesus died both Israel and the Gentiles are included in his covenant, also no private interpretation. God speaks to the Church and the world through the Church, through the Holy Ghost, but he is not telling (like Bush said) the Pope to go and kill abortion doctors.[/quote]Do you believe that God speaks TO individual members of the body of Christ. I did not ask if He speaks THROUGH them to the church or others. Will God with specificity instruct His children about what to or not to think, speak or do about something? For instance the Word says if a man won’t work he shouldn’t eat. It does not however tell Lemuel Dinzfritter of Wounded Knee South Dakota whether he should take the job at Walmart or the one in Gary Indiana with his uncle. Will the Lord speak to the heart of brother Lemuel here with a word of confirmation or instruction?
[/quote]

There is discernment. And, I do believe the Holy Ghost makes things known clearly to those that search for his heart, but I also think people should have an objective spiritual director. So, when someone thinks, “God told me to kill my children” someone can stop a tragedy from happening. If the Father is our strength, the Holy Ghost is Our Mother Wisdom.

And, the Holy Ghost may speak to the heart of Lemuel.

[cloakmanor]

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Christians oppose abortion because we believe a baby’s life is not for us to extinguish at will.

[Sloth]

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

[/quote]

Well, for your own part, atheists such as yourself who see us as “basically terrorists” might one day get a chance to do something about us ‘terrorists.’ A possibility for you look foward to.

And, oh, happy new year. Off to bed.

[system]

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
The Christian Scientists, as well as other groups spawned by them, have the logics like this:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent

2. God is good

3. Evil does not exist

Their theory is the more you can focus on the good and Christ, the more evil will leave your presence by the law of your own conscienceness. Likewise, people who continue to entertain concepts of sin, sickness, disharmony, discord, hatred, death…will see more evidence of that show up in their experience. Therefore, evil is made (up) or allowed by the individual who entertains it. [/quote]

It sounds great, but it’s totally un-Biblical (see especially the Book of Job). This type of teaching is very prominent in the Word of Faith movement as well (preachers like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyeer, etc.). The problem with the idea is that if you focus on good, you will get good, however, if you focus on bad, you will get bad. There is something to be said about keeping a positive attitude, but God has the ultimate authority to decide what will happen in your life.

Of course you should keep your thoughts off of sin, hatred, and evil, but there is no way to stop sickness, old age, death, and other problems that everyone faces. Evil was created by the creation of free will. God created free will so he created the ability for mankind to do evil.[/quote]

I disagree that this line of thinking/believing is un-Biblical. There is quite a bit of Bible to support it. Maybe you can’t stop sickness, old age, death and other problems from happening, but they all can be overcome with the mind of Christ.

[BBriere]

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
The Christian Scientists, as well as other groups spawned by them, have the logics like this:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent

2. God is good

3. Evil does not exist

Their theory is the more you can focus on the good and Christ, the more evil will leave your presence by the law of your own conscienceness. Likewise, people who continue to entertain concepts of sin, sickness, disharmony, discord, hatred, death…will see more evidence of that show up in their experience. Therefore, evil is made (up) or allowed by the individual who entertains it. [/quote]

It sounds great, but it’s totally un-Biblical (see especially the Book of Job). This type of teaching is very prominent in the Word of Faith movement as well (preachers like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyeer, etc.). The problem with the idea is that if you focus on good, you will get good, however, if you focus on bad, you will get bad. There is something to be said about keeping a positive attitude, but God has the ultimate authority to decide what will happen in your life.

Of course you should keep your thoughts off of sin, hatred, and evil, but there is no way to stop sickness, old age, death, and other problems that everyone faces. Evil was created by the creation of free will. God created free will so he created the ability for mankind to do evil.[/quote]

I disagree that this line of thinking/believing is un-Biblical. There is quite a bit of Bible to support it. Maybe you can’t stop sickness, old age, death and other problems from happening, but they all can be overcome with the mind of Christ.
[/quote]

Just to make sure I’m not misinterpreting what you are trying to say, are you claiming you can fend off life’s problems with positive thoughts? If so, would you like to provide the scripture that would support this idea?

[CappedAndPlanIt]

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

[/quote]

Well, for your own part, atheists such as yourself who see us as “basically terrorists” might one day get a chance to do something about us ‘terrorists.’ A possibility for you look foward to.

And, oh, happy new year. Off to bed.[/quote]

Yup. Terrorism is the use of fear to control people. So when one of you says something along the lines of “God could destroy the whole world and he’ll only save the people who believe in him!”, the point is to scare non-believers into believing.

Likewise, claiming that not believing will condemn someone to eternal unending torment when they die is another attempt to scare them into agreeing with you.

If Christianity had a scrap of credibility, christians wouldn’t have to stoop to these tactics. I’ve never heard a scientist claim that not believing in evolution or string theory would condemn a person to any kind of punishment.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

[/quote]

Well, for your own part, atheists such as yourself who see us as “basically terrorists” might one day get a chance to do something about us ‘terrorists.’ A possibility for you look foward to.

And, oh, happy new year. Off to bed.[/quote]

Yup. Terrorism is the use of fear to control people. So when one of you says something along the lines of “God could destroy the whole world and he’ll only save the people who believe in him!”, the point is to scare non-believers into believing.

Likewise, claiming that not believing will condemn someone to eternal unending torment when they die is another attempt to scare them into agreeing with you.

If Christianity had a scrap of credibility, christians wouldn’t have to stoop to these tactics. I’ve never heard a scientist claim that not believing in evolution or string theory would condemn a person to any kind of punishment.[/quote]

If I may point something out, you are taking it from the wrong angle. Baptists may preach the fire and brimstone stuff. However, think of it like the wedding invitation. The bridegroom has invited everyone to his wedding, however, only those that accept the invitation are allowed to go to the wedding. Why would those that don’t accept the invitation to the wedding even want to go to the wedding?

[ZEB]

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’ve never heard a scientist claim that not believing in evolution or string theory would condemn a person to any kind of punishment.[/quote]

That’s because there are no consequences if you don’t believe in string theory and the like. Furthermore, if the Bible didn’t specifically speak very clearly of eternal damnation then I would never bring it up. You see if I don’t mention to you I wouldn’t be a very good Christian would I?

You need to know what you are walking into - with your eyes wide open.

[system]

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
The Christian Scientists, as well as other groups spawned by them, have the logics like this:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent

2. God is good

3. Evil does not exist

Their theory is the more you can focus on the good and Christ, the more evil will leave your presence by the law of your own conscienceness. Likewise, people who continue to entertain concepts of sin, sickness, disharmony, discord, hatred, death…will see more evidence of that show up in their experience. Therefore, evil is made (up) or allowed by the individual who entertains it. [/quote]

It sounds great, but it’s totally un-Biblical (see especially the Book of Job). This type of teaching is very prominent in the Word of Faith movement as well (preachers like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyeer, etc.). The problem with the idea is that if you focus on good, you will get good, however, if you focus on bad, you will get bad. There is something to be said about keeping a positive attitude, but God has the ultimate authority to decide what will happen in your life.

Of course you should keep your thoughts off of sin, hatred, and evil, but there is no way to stop sickness, old age, death, and other problems that everyone faces. Evil was created by the creation of free will. God created free will so he created the ability for mankind to do evil.[/quote]

I disagree that this line of thinking/believing is un-Biblical. There is quite a bit of Bible to support it. Maybe you can’t stop sickness, old age, death and other problems from happening, but they all can be overcome with the mind of Christ.
[/quote]

Just to make sure I’m not misinterpreting what you are trying to say, are you claiming you can fend off life’s problems with positive thoughts? If so, would you like to provide the scripture that would support this idea?[/quote]

My pleasure. We could go on and on because there really is a wealth of supporting scripture. Perhaps that would be a great separate thread if you want to start it. I’m sure others would chime in and share the scriptures that have been most effective in their lives. Here are a few favorites:

If God is for us, who can be against us?
Psalm 38:17-22 Esther 2:1-18; Romans 8:20-33

Philippians 4:4-8
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!
Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything,
by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your
hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Finally, brothers, whatever is true,
whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely,
whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things

John 16:33
I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace.
In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.

1 Cor 13:4-13
The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads
me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul.
He guides me in paths of righteousness for his
names sake. Even though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you
are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely
goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

Exodus 20:3-17
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Philippians 4:13
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not
grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

Isaiah 40:31
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all
these things will be given to you as well

Matthew 6:33
Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth;
meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful
to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous
and successful.

Ephesians 6:10-18
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your
own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he
will make your paths straight.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Delight yourself in the LORD and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Psalms 37:4
This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.

[Tiribulus]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< Well besides the fact that since Jesus died both Israel and the Gentiles are included in his covenant, also no private interpretation. God speaks to the Church and the world through the Church, through the Holy Ghost, but he is not telling (like Bush said) the Pope to go and kill abortion doctors.[/quote]Do you believe that God speaks TO individual members of the body of Christ. I did not ask if He speaks THROUGH them to the church or others. Will God with specificity instruct His children about what to or not to think, speak or do about something? For instance the Word says if a man won’t work he shouldn’t eat. It does not however tell Lemuel Dinzfritter of Wounded Knee South Dakota whether he should take the job at Walmart or the one in Gary Indiana with his uncle. Will the Lord speak to the heart of brother Lemuel here with a word of confirmation or instruction?
[/quote]

There is discernment. And, I do believe the Holy Ghost makes things known clearly to those that search for his heart, but I also think people should have an objective spiritual director. So, when someone thinks, “God told me to kill my children” someone can stop a tragedy from happening. If the Father is our strength, the Holy Ghost is Our Mother Wisdom.

And, the Holy Ghost may speak to the heart of Lemuel.[/quote]I, as you know, also believe brother Lemuel may hear directly from God Himself. What I do not and will not ever believe is that God will tell brother Lemuel ANYTHING contrary to His revealed Word in the scriptures or that the Lord will reveal anything to an individual that appends or amends scripturally established doctrine.

God may richly bless brother Lemuel with a word concerning HIS life circumstances, but He will never tell him that in his case it’s OK to take the law into his own hands or marry another man for instance.

[Vonamberg]

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I tried to to bring some of these questions up in another thread, but no one could answer them.

Please prove that Mary was a virgin. Seriously.

Explain why you can’t go to heaven if you have your penis cut off (and in John Bobbit’s case, since it was re-attached does that count?). Deuteronomy 23:1

Here are a few translations:

New International Version (�?�©1984)
No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the LORD.

New Living Translation (�?�©2007)
"If a man’s testicles are crushed or his penis is cut off, he may not be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.

English Standard Version (�?�©2001)
�¢??No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.

New American Standard Bible (�?�©1995)
"No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.

GOD’S WORDÃ??Ã?® Translation (Ã??Ã?©1995)
A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the LORD.

King James Bible
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

American King James Version
He that is wounded in the stones, or has his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

American Standard Version
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the assembly of Jehovah.

Bible in Basic English
No man whose private parts have been wounded or cut off may come into the meeting of the Lord’s people.

Douay-Rheims Bible
An eunuch, whose testicles are broken or cut away, or yard cut off, shall not enter into the church of the Lord.

Darby Bible Translation
He that is a eunuch, whether he have been crushed or cut, shall not come into the congregation of Jehovah.

English Revised Version
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the assembly of the LORD.

Webster’s Bible Translation
He that is wounded or mutilated in his secrets, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

World English Bible
He who is wounded in the stones, or has his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the assembly of Yahweh.

Young’s Literal Translation
'One wounded, bruised, or cut in the member doth not enter into the assembly of Jehovah;

Let’s start with those two, and if we actually get a dialog going, then I’ll post a few more - hell, we can go chapter by chapter.

[/quote]

This is my understanding of this scripture. The assembly of god is not the nation of Israel but is the the tent of meeting/temple. Those of Aron’s son who where castrated couldnt enter in before god. They where bared from service to god not from the nation. Like someone said the law is no longer since Jesus’ death. Example Philip baptized an ethiopian slave who was castrated after being explained a scripture.

[BBriere]

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
The Christian Scientists, as well as other groups spawned by them, have the logics like this:

1. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent

2. God is good

3. Evil does not exist

Their theory is the more you can focus on the good and Christ, the more evil will leave your presence by the law of your own conscienceness. Likewise, people who continue to entertain concepts of sin, sickness, disharmony, discord, hatred, death…will see more evidence of that show up in their experience. Therefore, evil is made (up) or allowed by the individual who entertains it. [/quote]

It sounds great, but it’s totally un-Biblical (see especially the Book of Job). This type of teaching is very prominent in the Word of Faith movement as well (preachers like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyeer, etc.). The problem with the idea is that if you focus on good, you will get good, however, if you focus on bad, you will get bad. There is something to be said about keeping a positive attitude, but God has the ultimate authority to decide what will happen in your life.

Of course you should keep your thoughts off of sin, hatred, and evil, but there is no way to stop sickness, old age, death, and other problems that everyone faces. Evil was created by the creation of free will. God created free will so he created the ability for mankind to do evil.[/quote]

I disagree that this line of thinking/believing is un-Biblical. There is quite a bit of Bible to support it. Maybe you can’t stop sickness, old age, death and other problems from happening, but they all can be overcome with the mind of Christ.
[/quote]

Just to make sure I’m not misinterpreting what you are trying to say, are you claiming you can fend off life’s problems with positive thoughts? If so, would you like to provide the scripture that would support this idea?[/quote]

My pleasure. We could go on and on because there really is a wealth of supporting scripture. Perhaps that would be a great separate thread if you want to start it. I’m sure others would chime in and share the scriptures that have been most effective in their lives. Here are a few favorites:

If God is for us, who can be against us?
Psalm 38:17-22 Esther 2:1-18; Romans 8:20-33

Philippians 4:4-8
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!
Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything,
by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your
hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Finally, brothers, whatever is true,
whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely,
whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things

John 16:33
I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace.
In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.

1 Cor 13:4-13
The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads
me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul.
He guides me in paths of righteousness for his
names sake. Even though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you
are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely
goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

Exodus 20:3-17
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Philippians 4:13
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not
grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

Isaiah 40:31
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all
these things will be given to you as well

Matthew 6:33
Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth;
meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful
to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous
and successful.

Ephesians 6:10-18
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your
own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he
will make your paths straight.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Delight yourself in the LORD and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Psalms 37:4
This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
[/quote]

Well, I do agree with you that having faith in the Lord will deter numerous problems. I still, however, disagree that your faith gives you health and wealth. At least not without ever having to go through certain times of trouble and tests. The entire Book of Job is full of this. Paul mentions that a variety of things that happened to him BECAUSE of his faith: 2 Cor. 11:25. Paul was later thrown to his death for his faith. 10 of the 12 Apostles were martyred for spreading the Gospel. In Luke 9:23, Jesus tells anyone that would follow him to “deny themselves and take up their cross.”

So while I do agree that one should always keep positive thoughts in the Lord, I don’t agree that this will always lead to health, wealth, and desires.

It would be a good topic for another thread.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< Well besides the fact that since Jesus died both Israel and the Gentiles are included in his covenant, also no private interpretation. God speaks to the Church and the world through the Church, through the Holy Ghost, but he is not telling (like Bush said) the Pope to go and kill abortion doctors.[/quote]Do you believe that God speaks TO individual members of the body of Christ. I did not ask if He speaks THROUGH them to the church or others. Will God with specificity instruct His children about what to or not to think, speak or do about something? For instance the Word says if a man won’t work he shouldn’t eat. It does not however tell Lemuel Dinzfritter of Wounded Knee South Dakota whether he should take the job at Walmart or the one in Gary Indiana with his uncle. Will the Lord speak to the heart of brother Lemuel here with a word of confirmation or instruction?
[/quote]

There is discernment. And, I do believe the Holy Ghost makes things known clearly to those that search for his heart, but I also think people should have an objective spiritual director. So, when someone thinks, “God told me to kill my children” someone can stop a tragedy from happening. If the Father is our strength, the Holy Ghost is Our Mother Wisdom.

And, the Holy Ghost may speak to the heart of Lemuel.[/quote]I, as you know, also believe brother Lemuel may hear directly from God Himself. What I do not and will not ever believe is that God will tell brother Lemuel ANYTHING contrary to His revealed Word in the scriptures or that the Lord will reveal anything to an individual that appends or amends scripturally established doctrine.

God may richly bless brother Lemuel with a word concerning HIS life circumstances, but He will never tell him that in his case it’s OK to take the law into his own hands or marry another man for instance.
[/quote]

Correct. Some people’s corruption makes them think they are doing what will make them the most joyful, however they are misdirected.

[relentless2120]

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]tmay11 wrote:

[quote]forbes wrote:
I will address them to the best of my abilities, .[/quote]

I really hope you don’t take the route of “well I just don’t know the answer to that”, this is what my mom does. Basically you begin the search WITH THE CONCLUSION and if something doesn’t jive with that conclusion then you " just haven’t found the answer yet".

Science = Evidence → Conclusion
Faith = Conclusion → Evidence
[/quote]

Really? Scientists say they “don’t know the answer to that” all the time.[/quote]

Right… but, they don’t have a conclusion in that case. [/quote]

Bullshit. do you know how many drugs are on the market where the end result of them is known but their mechanism of action isn’t understood?

[CappedAndPlanIt]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

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Well, for your own part, atheists such as yourself who see us as “basically terrorists” might one day get a chance to do something about us ‘terrorists.’ A possibility for you look foward to.

And, oh, happy new year. Off to bed.[/quote]

Yup. Terrorism is the use of fear to control people. So when one of you says something along the lines of “God could destroy the whole world and he’ll only save the people who believe in him!”, the point is to scare non-believers into believing.

Likewise, claiming that not believing will condemn someone to eternal unending torment when they die is another attempt to scare them into agreeing with you.

If Christianity had a scrap of credibility, christians wouldn’t have to stoop to these tactics. I’ve never heard a scientist claim that not believing in evolution or string theory would condemn a person to any kind of punishment.[/quote]

If I may point something out, you are taking it from the wrong angle. Baptists may preach the fire and brimstone stuff. However, think of it like the wedding invitation. The bridegroom has invited everyone to his wedding, however, only those that accept the invitation are allowed to go to the wedding. Why would those that don’t accept the invitation to the wedding even want to go to the wedding?[/quote]

Yeah I dont have a problem with that, to say that believers will get something better than nonbelievers after they die. Its just preying on peoples fear of death, and promising them eternal torment I find repulsive.

Nobody knows what happens when you die. Anyone who says they know for certain is a liar, and anyone who promises Hell to others is a terrorist.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m still not getting why Christians who believe the babies go to Heaven are against abortion. [/quote]

Because Christians aren’t tasked with filling seats in heaven by way of the sword. Yes, it’s just that simple.[/quote]

But they have been, when they got a command from God which they could not prove. Also, there is no proof they will not get a similiar unprovable command again.

[/quote]

Well, for your own part, atheists such as yourself who see us as “basically terrorists” might one day get a chance to do something about us ‘terrorists.’ A possibility for you look foward to.

And, oh, happy new year. Off to bed.[/quote]

Yup. Terrorism is the use of fear to control people. So when one of you says something along the lines of “God could destroy the whole world and he’ll only save the people who believe in him!”, the point is to scare non-believers into believing.

Likewise, claiming that not believing will condemn someone to eternal unending torment when they die is another attempt to scare them into agreeing with you.

If Christianity had a scrap of credibility, christians wouldn’t have to stoop to these tactics. I’ve never heard a scientist claim that not believing in evolution or string theory would condemn a person to any kind of punishment.[/quote]

If I may point something out, you are taking it from the wrong angle. Baptists may preach the fire and brimstone stuff. However, think of it like the wedding invitation. The bridegroom has invited everyone to his wedding, however, only those that accept the invitation are allowed to go to the wedding. Why would those that don’t accept the invitation to the wedding even want to go to the wedding?[/quote]

Yeah I dont have a problem with that, to say that believers will get something better than nonbelievers after they die. Its just preying on peoples fear of death, and promising them eternal torment I find repulsive.

Nobody knows what happens when you die. Anyone who says they know for certain is a liar, and anyone who promises Hell to others is a terrorist.[/quote]

Lol, I know for certain what happens after death, I can’t give you an accurate description, although I think Dante had a good general idea. However, I don’t know what happens to individual people.

I’ll tell you something that was told to me by a teacher of mine. At the beginning of time, people asked, “Why? Why do we die?” And, people have been asking that since the beginning of time. Catholics have the right answer.

I do know there is place called Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso, I’m not sure of what it consists of, although I do know it’s self imposed.