[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
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The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced. Taking opportunity cost into account. What does the cost of having a girlfriend that you spend time with versus spending that time educating, working out, making money work out too in the long term. As well accounting stress and the typically energy put into a relationship. At my age not many people are having kids because they are not financially well off enough too or simply do not want to. So I will not be receiving anything tangible from a relationship.
So I spending my time on a largely irrational endeavor (highly pleasurably) that doesn’t net me any assets versus spending that time developing myself mentally, physically, financially etc.
That is what I mean when i say short-term pleasure versus long term security.
As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships. Therefor I am bettering myself one because I enjoy it but two to see if my preferences aren’t being meet because I myself am not currently adequate or if the dating marketplace simply doesn’t have what I am looking for…
At the end of the day if I just keep getting better as a person financially, physically and emotionally its a win for me and its a win for society that will receive my skills.
TLDR; not impressed with dating market, prefer to work on self.
[quote]debraD wrote:
And isn’t it pretty much a scientific fact that men who aren’t getting laid have massive IQ drops and make stupid decisions (especially regarding women lol)[/quote]
I would need to see references for that scientific fact.
DebraD, aren’t you middle-aged and unmarried? or am I thinking of someone else?
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
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The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
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ad hominem. I fail to see how logic and lack of sex are connected, could you perhaps show some sources backing up your assertion? Read my above posts I said I would only get married if my assets were protected 100%
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
[/quote]
The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
[/quote]
ad hominem. I fail to see how logic and lack of sex are connected, could you perhaps show some sources backing up your assertion? Read my above posts I said I would only get married if my assets were protected 100%
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Really? You don’t think regular sex has a positive effect on a man and his brain? I was being a smartass and you shouldn’t take me too seriously but I was sort of serious about the getting laid and making good decisions about women part.
What say you, men of TN? How well do you think around women when you haven’t gotten laid in a reasonable amount of time?
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I would want a career-driven woman […] who shares my views on premarital sex[/quote]
I think that’s going to be near impossible to find. The latter is just difficult to find in the West anyway.
I know one, but only one, who is career-driven and shares your views. All of the others either got married long before their careers started, or simply just don’t share those views.
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Thing is, nobody shares his views.[/quote]
Nobody is a lie, and the communities that do, do quite well actually.[/quote]
WTF does that mean, Orion?[/quote]
That means that there are communities which do share his views on premarital sex and they have stable marriages and more kids than average and they will simply outbreed the people that dont.
Like Mormons. [/quote]
His views on premarital sex aren’t based on religion as you well know. [/quote]
Maybe, but in the end it does not matter what you believe in but what you do.
People who do like he would like to do are doing fine.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
[/quote]
The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
[/quote]
ad hominem. I fail to see how logic and lack of sex are connected, could you perhaps show some sources backing up your assertion? Read my above posts I said I would only get married if my assets were protected 100%
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Really? You don’t think regular sex has a positive effect on a man and his brain? I was being a smartass and you shouldn’t take me too seriously but I was sort of serious about the getting laid and making good decisions about women part.
What say you, men of TN? How well do you think around women when you haven’t gotten laid in a reasonable amount of time?
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Perhaps but is it outweighed by the drama and stress? It would certainly change things if men didn’t need women for sex anymore probably about 50% of the female population would be see a great diminished in value . Similar to the loss of a lot of men’s use in the west with the implementation of the automation of labor.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
And isn’t it pretty much a scientific fact that men who aren’t getting laid have massive IQ drops and make stupid decisions (especially regarding women lol)[/quote]
Both Newton and Tesla would like to have a word with you.
Disclaimer: My sister is a single mother and anyone would be lucky to have her. I also dated two women who were single mothers. The first one was amazing. The second one was craziest freakiest girl I ever had sex with. They both were crazy. [/quote]
Dude all women are crazy, it doesnt matter if single, married, virgin or mother. You have to find how much crazy you can deal with. [/quote]
Yep!
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I dont think it is about the how much so much, but the specific kind of crazy.
I can deal with some, I dont want to deal with others.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Marriage loss of assets if divorced.[/quote]
How does avoiding premarital sex help with that? I would think avoiding marriage, sex or not, would prevent that from becoming a problem.
Firstly, again, what does this have to do with avoiding premarital sex and its relation to long term stability?
But there are tradeoffs with many things. The time you spend with one thing is time you don’t spend on something else. That said, the time you spend developing social skills, with men or women, can be time well spent. Just because you don’t see the value in a relationship (while not in a relationship), doesn’t mean there isn’t value from it. I’ve had relationships that enabled me to grow emotionally and intellectually, and even helped set me on the path to making several positive financial changes.
Yes, there are time sucking, energy sucking relationships out there… but that’s not every single one of them.
The only benefit you see from a relationship is a child?
[quote]As well I take into consideration datability. How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally (to list a few traits) stable are the women on the current dating market place… me personally based on what I evaluate my personal worth to be feel as if I am not getting a good return on investment.
I could go on but for me personally I feel as if I am not getting a good return on my time investment when engaging in relationships.[/quote]
How attractive, intelligent, and emotionally stable are you, yourself? Are you sure your personal worth isn’t inflated?
Secondly, how does working on yourself actually help this situation? How will improving yourself improve your “return on investment”? Wouldn’t it make more sense instead to spend time learning how to get more out of a relationship with less effort put in?
That’s fine, but it’s probably because you’re not at a point where you’re attracting higher quality women. It probably looks dismal because the high quality women are pursuing or involved with men that are “better” than you.
There are a number of smart, single, attractive career women in large cities who spent much of their time focusing on self-improvement that are now looking to date.
I would suggest that the problem isn’t the “dating market”, but rather your current inability to find and attract the right women.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
[/quote]
The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
[/quote]
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
And isn’t it pretty much a scientific fact that men who aren’t getting laid have massive IQ drops and make stupid decisions (especially regarding women lol)[/quote]
Both Newton and Tesla would like to have a word with you. [/quote]
My intellectual abilities dropped once I started getting laid more regularly. There were certainly other benefits, but there’s actually an inverse relationship [for me] between the amount of sex and my creativity, focus, innovation, etc.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I would want a career-driven woman […] who shares my views on premarital sex[/quote]
I think that’s going to be near impossible to find. The latter is just difficult to find in the West anyway.
I know one, but only one, who is career-driven and shares your views. All of the others either got married long before their careers started, or simply just don’t share those views.
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Thing is, nobody shares his views.[/quote]
Nobody is a lie, and the communities that do, do quite well actually.[/quote]
WTF does that mean, Orion?[/quote]
That means that there are communities which do share his views on premarital sex and they have stable marriages and more kids than average and they will simply outbreed the people that dont.
Like Mormons. [/quote]
His views on premarital sex aren’t based on religion as you well know. [/quote]
Maybe, but in the end it does not matter what you believe in but what you do.
People who do like he would like to do are doing fine. [/quote]
What do you mean ‘maybe’? His balls are in a pickle jar gathering dust on a shelf and he didn’t need a woman to do it.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
[/quote]
The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
[/quote]
ad hominem. I fail to see how logic and lack of sex are connected, could you perhaps show some sources backing up your assertion? Read my above posts I said I would only get married if my assets were protected 100%
[/quote]
Really? You don’t think regular sex has a positive effect on a man and his brain? I was being a smartass and you shouldn’t take me too seriously but I was sort of serious about the getting laid and making good decisions about women part.
What say you, men of TN? How well do you think around women when you haven’t gotten laid in a reasonable amount of time?
[/quote]
Perhaps but is it outweighed by the drama and stress? It would certainly change things if men didn’t need women for sex anymore probably about 50% of the female population would be see a great diminished in value . Similar to the loss of a lot of men’s use in the west with the implementation of the automation of labor.
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From what I read in the news. Men apparently don’t need women for sex anymore. But that’s like 10% of the population. Haha.
Kidding. Kidding. Let’s stick with women and the whole “try to be buried with yer stuff” thing.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
[/quote]
The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
[/quote]
ad hominem. I fail to see how logic and lack of sex are connected, could you perhaps show some sources backing up your assertion? Read my above posts I said I would only get married if my assets were protected 100%
[/quote]
Really? You don’t think regular sex has a positive effect on a man and his brain? I was being a smartass and you shouldn’t take me too seriously but I was sort of serious about the getting laid and making good decisions about women part.
What say you, men of TN? How well do you think around women when you haven’t gotten laid in a reasonable amount of time?
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If I am around an attractive woman and I haven’t gotten laid there is not any negative effects on my brain function. All functions and senses actually seem to ramp up in efficiency.
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
And isn’t it pretty much a scientific fact that men who aren’t getting laid have massive IQ drops and make stupid decisions (especially regarding women lol)[/quote]
Both Newton and Tesla would like to have a word with you. [/quote]
Shit, there is a long list of brilliant minds that would argue against her Deb’s point. Sexual transmutation
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Do you want me to share a few stories? Is it too hard to believe that a man would turn down that short term pleasure for long term security?[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what?
How does that “short term pleasure” diminish his “long term security”? What is this “long term security” that you’re talking about anyway?[/quote]
Maybe the idea that any women he sleeps with before he has his long term security will falsely accuse him of rape, sabotage his condom and trap him with kids or boil his rabbit? I’m curious as well.
[/quote]
The funny part is, or what I can’t figure, is how does having more financial security help? To me that just means you have more to lose when the women do their evil.
But I don’t expect strong logics from men who don’t think they need sex.
[/quote]
ad hominem. I fail to see how logic and lack of sex are connected, could you perhaps show some sources backing up your assertion? Read my above posts I said I would only get married if my assets were protected 100%
[/quote]
Really? You don’t think regular sex has a positive effect on a man and his brain? I was being a smartass and you shouldn’t take me too seriously but I was sort of serious about the getting laid and making good decisions about women part.
What say you, men of TN? How well do you think around women when you haven’t gotten laid in a reasonable amount of time?
[/quote]
If I am around an attractive woman and I haven’t gotten laid there is not any negative effects on my brain function. All functions and senses actually seem to ramp up in efficiency.[/quote]
Yup.
I think the reason why artists had (have?) muses is because in the presence of a hawt woman their brain works that much faster.