Beta Male Providers

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Magnetic88 wrote:
The original question has been thoroughly answered but I’ll just say my piece anyway:

At my age (33), I know that I want to start a family, so my choices are:

A) Date a single mother.
B) Date an 18 year old before she gets pregnant and becomes a single mother.
C) Date someone that doesn’t want kids and hope that I can somehow convince them to do so.

All of these options seem pretty bad. Option B is probably the worst because I don’t want to be the creepy old guy with a child-bride. Plus we would have nothing to talk about. Option C is possible but I wouldn’t find out if the family part would work out until way into the relationship (after marriage) so its a roll of the dice.

There IS an option D but it is a total unicorn. The chances of finding an attractive single woman who wants kids and marriage but has somehow decided not to do so until around my age are effing dismal, mate.

But you know what? Its my fault. I wasted my teens and 20’s being an “alpha” as you like to say, and dipping my pen in am many different inks as possible, when I really should’ve just “beta’d” up and committed to a nice girl.

To your credit, OP, there is a bigger issue at hand. They know that average male testosterone levels have gone down over the generations. Society doesn’t reward alpha behavior like it used to. It rewards beta behavior. Play nice and you get the cookie. Those are the men whose genes are moving into the future. It is what it is.[/quote]

There are plenty of decent single, childless women aged 25 to 35 years old who want the same things you do. [/quote]

Yea, a good portion of the women I know were barely finished university by 25 and weren’t seriously thinking marriage/kids until late 20’s earliest.

A decent person period is something of a unicorn, but I don’t know that it’s so dismal. The idea that the most reasonable way for a 33 year old male (provided he’s got his shit together) to start a family is to pick up a step kid seems a touch odd to me.[/quote]

Sorry I didn’t mean it that way. I meant that single mothers are usually open to having more kids (with someone that will commit this time). At least that has been my experience. I have no interest in raising someone else’s kids, but if that’s the price you pay then so be it.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Magnetic88 wrote:
The original question has been thoroughly answered but I’ll just say my piece anyway:

At my age (33), I know that I want to start a family, so my choices are:

A) Date a single mother.
B) Date an 18 year old before she gets pregnant and becomes a single mother.
C) Date someone that doesn’t want kids and hope that I can somehow convince them to do so.

All of these options seem pretty bad. Option B is probably the worst because I don’t want to be the creepy old guy with a child-bride. Plus we would have nothing to talk about. Option C is possible but I wouldn’t find out if the family part would work out until way into the relationship (after marriage) so its a roll of the dice.

There IS an option D but it is a total unicorn. The chances of finding an attractive single woman who wants kids and marriage but has somehow decided not to do so until around my age are effing dismal, mate.

But you know what? Its my fault. I wasted my teens and 20’s being an “alpha” as you like to say, and dipping my pen in am many different inks as possible, when I really should’ve just “beta’d” up and committed to a nice girl.

To your credit, OP, there is a bigger issue at hand. They know that average male testosterone levels have gone down over the generations. Society doesn’t reward alpha behavior like it used to. It rewards beta behavior. Play nice and you get the cookie. Those are the men whose genes are moving into the future. It is what it is.[/quote]

There are plenty of decent single, childless women aged 25 to 35 years old who want the same things you do. [/quote]

Yes but are they attractive? And if so, please provide me with a list of names, numbers, and turn-ons.

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Efil4ahpla

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
How do you guys define alpha?

How do you guys define beta?[/quote]

Both are words that insecure men use on the internet in an attempt to redefine normal social interactions and relationships, which they find scary and confusing. [/quote]

spoken like a true beta.

I’m off to punch a single mother right in the face. And her stupid kid.

ALPHA 4 LIFE
[/quote]

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I am not gonna read this whole thread but you all need to stop being a a bunch of jabronies. Is it really that hard to empathize with Walkway. Had he abstained from using the word “Beta” and articulated his point a little more delicately I am sure most would agree with him.

I feel like he is simply asking why would someone willingly choose to walk a harder path in life. That is essentially what most men do when they engage in a relationship with a single mother. Spend enough time with someone you enjoy being with and you can fall in love with them regardless of whether or not they are single mothers. Point being staying with a single mother because you fell in love could be seen as crazy when you consider you could and likely would if you tried find a women without children and all the baggage that coincides with single motherhood. Is that really so hard to grasp? Now every situation is different and I do believe in giving people chances but I feel Walkway is right if what I said above is a reiteration of the message he was trying to convey.

Disclaimer: My sister is a single mother and anyone would be lucky to have her. I also dated two women who were single mothers. The first one was amazing. The second one was craziest freakiest girl I ever had sex with. They both were crazy. I don’t think I would willingly pursue a relationship with a single mother again.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
How do you guys define alpha?

How do you guys define beta?[/quote]

Both are words that insecure men use on the internet in an attempt to redefine normal social interactions and relationships, which they find scary and confusing. [/quote]

spoken like a true beta.

I’m off to punch a single mother right in the face. And her stupid kid.

ALPHA 4 LIFE
[/quote]

This hurt my feelings more than you’ll ever know.

#beta-and-proud

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman[/quote]

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.
    [/quote]

Before I write a post that starts on faulty ground because I read into this incorrectly, do you mean that a man should put off dating/relationships in general until this point, or put off actively finding ‘the one’ until this point?

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman[/quote]

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.
    [/quote]

Before I write a post that starts on faulty ground because I read into this incorrectly, do you mean that a man should put off dating/relationships in general until this point, or put off actively finding ‘the one’ until this point?[/quote]

I personally do not believe that a man should date seriously until he has his financial house completely in order…contingency plans… solid connections through networking, etc.

I feel as though financial problems are the main things that couples fight about… so why not head those off before they happen?

that’s just what I plan on doing when I start looking for a serious relationship, tho I don’t plan on ever getting married.

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[quote]A-rod wrote:

Disclaimer: My sister is a single mother and anyone would be lucky to have her. I also dated two women who were single mothers. The first one was amazing. The second one was craziest freakiest girl I ever had sex with. They both were crazy. [/quote]
Dude all women are crazy, it doesnt matter if single, married, virgin or mother. You have to find how much crazy you can deal with.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman[/quote]

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.
    [/quote]

Before I write a post that starts on faulty ground because I read into this incorrectly, do you mean that a man should put off dating/relationships in general until this point, or put off actively finding ‘the one’ until this point?[/quote]

I personally do not believe that a man should date seriously until he has his financial house completely in order…contingency plans… solid connections through networking, etc.

I feel as though financial problems are the main things that couples fight about… so why not head those off before they happen?

that’s just what I plan on doing when I start looking for a serious relationship, tho I don’t plan on ever getting married. [/quote]

If young guys can’t get laid until they are well set up financially and career wise then you will have a lot of pent up frustration by young men who may never reach that state of financial security. Sounds like Middle East.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

I personally do not believe that a man should date seriously until he has his financial house completely in order…contingency plans… solid connections through networking, etc.

I feel as though financial problems are the main things that couples fight about… so why not head those off before they happen?

that’s just what I plan on doing when I start looking for a serious relationship, tho I don’t plan on ever getting married. [/quote]

I thought like that for awhile and now am starting to think that may not be a wise way to think about it. Sure its good to put your best foot forward, but you’ll never know what kind of woman you really have if you don’t meet her in the trenches.

I have heard too many horror stories from friends whose wives they met at the top of their game, and who left them when they went broke. Those women were “summer soldiers”. You gotta find one that has a chance to experience you without your shit together and still loves you and believes in you.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman[/quote]

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.
    [/quote]

Before I write a post that starts on faulty ground because I read into this incorrectly, do you mean that a man should put off dating/relationships in general until this point, or put off actively finding ‘the one’ until this point?[/quote]

I personally do not believe that a man should date seriously until he has his financial house completely in order…contingency plans… solid connections through networking, etc.

I feel as though financial problems are the main things that couples fight about… so why not head those off before they happen?

that’s just what I plan on doing when I start looking for a serious relationship, tho I don’t plan on ever getting married. [/quote]

Hold on.

So you want to have your shit together financially, but still remain celibate until then? Have fun providing for your future GF while she gets railed by the guy who actually knows how to fuck her.

Well done. You are setting yourself up to be a beta male provider.

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[quote]Magnetic88 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
There are plenty of decent single, childless women aged 25 to 35 years old who want the same things you do. [/quote]

Yes but are they attractive? And if so, please provide me with a list of names, numbers, and turn-ons.
[/quote]

Sounds like you need to move somewhere with more options.

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[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
I think this thread would have better if everyone just posted how much they belch. [/quote]

Fixed dat…

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[quote]comus3 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman[/quote]

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.
    [/quote]

Before I write a post that starts on faulty ground because I read into this incorrectly, do you mean that a man should put off dating/relationships in general until this point, or put off actively finding ‘the one’ until this point?[/quote]

I personally do not believe that a man should date seriously until he has his financial house completely in order…contingency plans… solid connections through networking, etc.

I feel as though financial problems are the main things that couples fight about… so why not head those off before they happen?

that’s just what I plan on doing when I start looking for a serious relationship, tho I don’t plan on ever getting married. [/quote]

If young guys can’t get laid until they are well set up financially and career wise then you will have a lot of pent up frustration by young men who may never reach that state of financial security. Sounds like Middle East.
[/quote]

what does getting laid have to do with being in a serious relationship? I know girls who treat it like shaking hands.

I mean a man should have his finances in order before he goes out looking to get married.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman[/quote]

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.
    [/quote]

Before I write a post that starts on faulty ground because I read into this incorrectly, do you mean that a man should put off dating/relationships in general until this point, or put off actively finding ‘the one’ until this point?[/quote]

I personally do not believe that a man should date seriously until he has his financial house completely in order…contingency plans… solid connections through networking, etc.

I feel as though financial problems are the main things that couples fight about… so why not head those off before they happen?

that’s just what I plan on doing when I start looking for a serious relationship, tho I don’t plan on ever getting married. [/quote]

Hold on.

So you want to have your shit together financially, but still remain celibate until then? Have fun providing for your future GF while she gets railed by the guy who actually knows how to fuck her.

Well done. You are setting yourself up to be a beta male provider. [/quote]

if I were to tolerate that kind of behavior, then yes, I would be a beta-male provider.

I would want a career-driven woman as well. history has proven that relationships tend to last longer when the women don’t have a lot of spare time on their hands.

but I would want a woman who shares my views on premarital sex (it’s fine, just not for me) etc…

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

I don’t plan on ever getting married. […] but I would want a woman who shares my views on premarital sex (it’s fine, just not for me) etc… [/quote]

Tut,tut,tut.

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http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/0/f08a6_ORIG-mailman.jpg

Is this what a beta mail provider looks like?

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Is this what a beta mail provider looks like?[/quote]

Of course. Guy with a solid job, pension, health benefits, maybe provides for a kid or two. Might be a standup guy, good dad and husband too. Definitely beta.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I would want a career-driven woman […] who shares my views on premarital sex[/quote]
I think that’s going to be near impossible to find. The latter is just difficult to find in the West anyway.

I know one, but only one, who is career-driven and shares your views. All of the others either got married long before their careers started, or simply just don’t share those views.

On the other hand, there are plenty of career-driven women who are currently single, but who only have had sex within serious relationships. There are also many women who had a few “flings”, but decided it wasn’t for them, and again, then stick only to sex within serious relationships.

There are many different forms that “premarital sex” can take besides “casual sex”.

Just because she’s a girl has had 3 serious boyfriends over a 5 year period, and 4 sexual partners during that time (the 3 she was dating, and a 4th she wasn’t serious about), doesn’t mean she’s anywhere near the same as your average college whore/slut/whatever word you want to use.

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[quote]comus3 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman[/quote]

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.
    [/quote]

Before I write a post that starts on faulty ground because I read into this incorrectly, do you mean that a man should put off dating/relationships in general until this point, or put off actively finding ‘the one’ until this point?[/quote]

I personally do not believe that a man should date seriously until he has his financial house completely in order…contingency plans… solid connections through networking, etc.

I feel as though financial problems are the main things that couples fight about… so why not head those off before they happen?

that’s just what I plan on doing when I start looking for a serious relationship, tho I don’t plan on ever getting married. [/quote]

If young guys can’t get laid until they are well set up financially and career wise then you will have a lot of pent up frustration by young men who may never reach that state of financial security. Sounds like Middle East.
[/quote]

I think similar. I think if most men waited till all was set, we would have a many socially awkward and just downright weird dudes walking around.