Beta Male Providers

[quote]TheKraken wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
How do you guys define alpha?

How do you guys define beta?[/quote]

Both are words that insecure men use on the internet in an attempt to redefine normal social interactions and relationships, which they find scary and confusing. [/quote]

spoken like a true beta.

I’m off to punch a single mother right in the face. And her stupid kid.

ALPHA 4 LIFE
[/quote]
Okay this really made me chuckle

Nicely done[/quote]

Good stuff Yogi! You have Mastered Beta’s, all beta should call you Masta Beta.

Back to the hair scent, Derek, what exactly did you eat yesterday? [/quote]
About a 4’11" 120 pound latina

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]TheKraken wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
How do you guys define alpha?

How do you guys define beta?[/quote]

Both are words that insecure men use on the internet in an attempt to redefine normal social interactions and relationships, which they find scary and confusing. [/quote]

spoken like a true beta.

I’m off to punch a single mother right in the face. And her stupid kid.

ALPHA 4 LIFE
[/quote]
Okay this really made me chuckle

Nicely done[/quote]

Good stuff Yogi! You have Mastered Beta’s, all beta should call you Masta Beta.

Back to the hair scent, Derek, what exactly did you eat yesterday? [/quote]
About a 4’11" 120 pound latina [/quote]

Sxplains er’thing!

[quote]TheKraken wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Back to the hair scent, Derek, what exactly did you eat yesterday? [/quote]
About a 4’11" 120 pound latina [/quote]

Sxplains er’thing![/quote]

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
perhaps for the sake of discussion, I should describe my friends who have (for some reason) become beta-male providers…
[…]why do these “men” sacrifice their best years for this shit?
[…]why are some guys so beta […][/quote]
Then why are you friends with them?

I mentioned this before when you were talking about all the losers you hung out with (my word, but your sentiment)… but maybe you need to find some new groups of people.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
perhaps for the sake of discussion, I should describe my friends who have (for some reason) become beta-male providers…
[…]why do these “men” sacrifice their best years for this shit?
[…]why are some guys so beta […][/quote]
Then why are you friends with them?

I mentioned this before when you were talking about all the losers you hung out with (my word, but your sentiment)… but maybe you need to find some new groups of people.[/quote]

well, we don’t really ‘hang out’ anymore, as they have had to relocate in order to raise the children of the other men.

a few really good responses so far… a lot of stupid shit (which was expected), but some really good insight in here as well. im glad there are a few in here who understand where im coming from.

I don’t actually recall mentioning ‘being alpha’ in this thread… just beta.

ive just heard so many stories from stephfathers on other boards who are being taken through the gauntlet by their little shit stephchildren… this one guy’s step kid took his (the step father’s) sweet car out for a spin without permission, and wrapped it around a tree.

when the stepfather got mad at the kid, the kid essentially said ‘fuck you’, and went and hid behind his mother, who defended his actions…

a lot of other stories like that one… I just can’t see how a man could do that to himself lol

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
ive just heard so many stories from stephfathers on other boards who are being taken through the gauntlet by their little shit stephchildren…[/quote]

Perspective is everything. What boards are you on?? I have literally not heard one story like this, but I don’t actively look for them.

My father raised a step son. He turned out fine. My older brother has 2 step sons and they’re fine.

I mean, if I only watch Al Qaeda news is America gonna look good or bad… Perspective.

Now that many here have offered their insights, would you care to do a little giving in return and provide other men some nuggets of wisdom when trying to find a mate.

What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman?

What if one is indeed a beta male? What should he do, try to be an alpha? Is this possible?

Should beta males–you know, ordinary men–give custody of their children to alpha males?

How long should a couple date before the man proposes? I see you implied disapproval with one couples’ timeframe.

Should men date at all? Or should they ignore their healthy instincts and die dickless and womanless?

What are the characteristics of a beta male? Provide some criteria.

The original question has been thoroughly answered but I’ll just say my piece anyway:

At my age (33), I know that I want to start a family, so my choices are:

A) Date a single mother.
B) Date an 18 year old before she gets pregnant and becomes a single mother.
C) Date someone that doesn’t want kids and hope that I can somehow convince them to do so.

All of these options seem pretty bad. Option B is probably the worst because I don’t want to be the creepy old guy with a child-bride. Plus we would have nothing to talk about. Option C is possible but I wouldn’t find out if the family part would work out until way into the relationship (after marriage) so its a roll of the dice.

There IS an option D but it is a total unicorn. The chances of finding an attractive single woman who wants kids and marriage but has somehow decided not to do so until around my age are effing dismal, mate.

But you know what? Its my fault. I wasted my teens and 20’s being an “alpha” as you like to say, and dipping my pen in am many different inks as possible, when I really should’ve just “beta’d” up and committed to a nice girl.

To your credit, OP, there is a bigger issue at hand. They know that average male testosterone levels have gone down over the generations. Society doesn’t reward alpha behavior like it used to. It rewards beta behavior. Play nice and you get the cookie. Those are the men whose genes are moving into the future. It is what it is.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
ive just heard so many stories from stephfathers on other boards who are being taken through the gauntlet by their little shit stephchildren…[/quote]

Perspective is everything. What boards are you on?? I have literally not heard one story like this, but I don’t actively look for them.

My father raised a step son. He turned out fine. My older brother has 2 step sons and they’re fine.

I mean, if I only watch Al Qaeda news is America gonna look good or bad… Perspective.

[/quote]

other boards that are a lot like this one… in terms of subject matter, if you catch my drift

[quote]Magnetic88 wrote:
The original question has been thoroughly answered but I’ll just say my piece anyway:

At my age (33), I know that I want to start a family, so my choices are:

A) Date a single mother.
B) Date an 18 year old before she gets pregnant and becomes a single mother.
C) Date someone that doesn’t want kids and hope that I can somehow convince them to do so.

All of these options seem pretty bad. Option B is probably the worst because I don’t want to be the creepy old guy with a child-bride. Plus we would have nothing to talk about. Option C is possible but I wouldn’t find out if the family part would work out until way into the relationship (after marriage) so its a roll of the dice.

There IS an option D but it is a total unicorn. The chances of finding an attractive single woman who wants kids and marriage but has somehow decided not to do so until around my age are effing dismal, mate.

But you know what? Its my fault. I wasted my teens and 20’s being an “alpha” as you like to say, and dipping my pen in am many different inks as possible, when I really should’ve just “beta’d” up and committed to a nice girl.

To your credit, OP, there is a bigger issue at hand. They know that average male testosterone levels have gone down over the generations. Society doesn’t reward alpha behavior like it used to. It rewards beta behavior. Play nice and you get the cookie. Those are the men whose genes are moving into the future. It is what it is.[/quote]

There are plenty of decent single, childless women aged 25 to 35 years old who want the same things you do.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
ive just heard so many stories from stephfathers on other boards who are being taken through the gauntlet by their little shit stephchildren… this one guy’s step kid took his (the step father’s) sweet car out for a spin without permission, and wrapped it around a tree.

when the stepfather got mad at the kid, the kid essentially said ‘fuck you’, and went and hid behind his mother, who defended his actions…[/quote]
That stuff happens when it’s the kid’s actual father too. It’s not exactly uncommon for kids to play their parents off of each other to get what they want. Parenting isn’t particularly easy, even if it’s your kid.

As far as the more core question, which really seems to be “why do men let people walk all over them”, I don’t have a good answer.

Until a guy develops a good sense of his boundaries and an understanding of his weaknesses, most will surrender a fair amount of power. This happens at home, it happens at the work place, it happens in most relationships. Some men really don’t learn when to say no. Others don’t learn how to deal with conflict. Others are ignorant of social forces in the groups they’re a part of.

You always have the choice to say no, to surrender some amount of control over the situation or not. If someone has a gun to your head, you’re probably going to give them your wallet. If you don’t, you could lose far more than the money in it. It’s usually pretty black and white.

However, if a friend asks to borrow some money, it’s not as clear cut. If you don’t, are you going to lose them as a friend? If you put some stipulations on things, how is that going to affect the relationship? Are you willing to take those risks? If you lend them money, and they pay back with interest, and help you out in the future with something, it could work out really well for you.

You have the choice whether you want to surrender control over the money, or your time, or your energy, or whatever. Without experience and/or knowledge, you’ll probably make decisions where you give over too much power and don’t get what you want.

And most guys do that in relationships, because they’re simply inexperienced.

Given that most men have a soft spot for attractive women, and the more advantages she conveys (cooks, cleans, is fun to be with, companionship, whatever), the more likely he exposes his weaknesses. He’ll make some dumb decisions. You can blame her for “taking advantage of him”, but he made those decisions.

So I think to answer your question, maybe the better answer is that these men are inexperienced and naive, both with emotions and with relationships in general (romantic and otherwise). It takes time to learn how to get what you want, without losing what you have, as well as learning when, where and how to make compromises.

If you want to put it into silly terms, there are “Alpha Male providers” and there are “beta male providers”, but the fact that he’s a male provider doesn’t implicitly make him alpha or beta.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman?

What if one is indeed a beta male? What should he do, try to be an alpha? Is this possible?

Should beta males–you know, ordinary men–give custody of their children to alpha males?

How long should a couple date before the man proposes? I see you implied disapproval with one couples’ timeframe.

Should men date at all? Or should they ignore their healthy instincts and die dickless and womanless?

What are the characteristics of a beta male? Provide some criteria. [/quote]

IMO

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.

  2. he should do things to help alleviate his beta-ness and gain confidence E.G. lift weights, travel, learn a new language… become cultured and interesting, etc.

  3. no, ‘beta’ males aren’t obligated to give up their children to ‘alpha’ males

  4. rather subjective and depends on how long the engagement is going to be. im critical of my friend’s circumstances because I don’t think that you can know someone well enough in under 1 year in order to be able to commit to them like that. I don’t think they have actually had any conflicts in their relationship, it’s still all candy and rainbows… I would be willing to bet neither of them have had to make serious compromises, yet.

  5. dumb question, but ill answer it anyways. yes men should date.

  6. beta males are pushovers who willingly and gratefully accept the leftovers (the scraps) left by other guys.

[quote]Magnetic88 wrote:
But you know what? Its my fault. I wasted my teens and 20’s being an “alpha” as you like to say, and dipping my pen in am many different inks as possible, when I really should’ve just “beta’d” up and committed to a nice girl.

[/quote]

I don’t recall saying that ‘committing to a nice girl’ is ‘beta’. would you mind pointing out where I said that?

this?

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
6. beta males are pushovers who willingly and gratefully accept the leftovers (the scraps) left by other guys. [/quote]
So I went on a boat tour on the intracoastal waterway in Ft Lauderdale earlier this week, a bunch of yachts, mansions, and swimming pools with hot young wives out sunbathing.

It was some of the most amazing “keeping up with the Joneses’” I’d ever seen. One guy got a bigger yacht, so the guy across the way got an even bigger one. Another bought the house next door for ~5 million, razed it to the ground, and installed a tennis court he doesn’t even use.

Frankly, I’d be pretty happy with their leftovers.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Magnetic88 wrote:
The original question has been thoroughly answered but I’ll just say my piece anyway:

At my age (33), I know that I want to start a family, so my choices are:

A) Date a single mother.
B) Date an 18 year old before she gets pregnant and becomes a single mother.
C) Date someone that doesn’t want kids and hope that I can somehow convince them to do so.

All of these options seem pretty bad. Option B is probably the worst because I don’t want to be the creepy old guy with a child-bride. Plus we would have nothing to talk about. Option C is possible but I wouldn’t find out if the family part would work out until way into the relationship (after marriage) so its a roll of the dice.

There IS an option D but it is a total unicorn. The chances of finding an attractive single woman who wants kids and marriage but has somehow decided not to do so until around my age are effing dismal, mate.

But you know what? Its my fault. I wasted my teens and 20’s being an “alpha” as you like to say, and dipping my pen in am many different inks as possible, when I really should’ve just “beta’d” up and committed to a nice girl.

To your credit, OP, there is a bigger issue at hand. They know that average male testosterone levels have gone down over the generations. Society doesn’t reward alpha behavior like it used to. It rewards beta behavior. Play nice and you get the cookie. Those are the men whose genes are moving into the future. It is what it is.[/quote]

There are plenty of decent single, childless women aged 25 to 35 years old who want the same things you do. [/quote]

Yea, a good portion of the women I know were barely finished university by 25 and weren’t seriously thinking marriage/kids until late 20’s earliest.

A decent person period is something of a unicorn, but I don’t know that it’s so dismal. The idea that the most reasonable way for a 33 year old male (provided he’s got his shit together) to start a family is to pick up a step kid seems a touch odd to me.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
6. beta males are pushovers who willingly and gratefully accept the leftovers (the scraps) left by other guys. [/quote]
So I went on a boat tour on the intracoastal waterway in Ft Lauderdale earlier this week, a bunch of yachts, mansions, and swimming pools with hot young wives out sunbathing.

It was some of the most amazing “keeping up with the Joneses’” I’d ever seen. One guy got a bigger yacht, so the guy across the way got an even bigger one. Another bought the house next door for ~5 million, razed it to the ground, and installed a tennis court he doesn’t even use.

Frankly, I’d be pretty happy with their leftovers.[/quote]

Buying shit to keep up with other people’s shit. Sounds pretty “beta” to me.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What income and career should a man have before he goes about finding a woman?

What if one is indeed a beta male? What should he do, try to be an alpha? Is this possible?

Should beta males–you know, ordinary men–give custody of their children to alpha males?

How long should a couple date before the man proposes? I see you implied disapproval with one couples’ timeframe.

Should men date at all? Or should they ignore their healthy instincts and die dickless and womanless?

What are the characteristics of a beta male? Provide some criteria. [/quote]

IMO

  1. a man should have a steady income and a career with a lot of upward mobility before he looks for a woman.

  2. he should do things to help alleviate his beta-ness and gain confidence E.G. lift weights, travel, learn a new language… become cultured and interesting, etc.

  3. no, ‘beta’ males aren’t obligated to give up their children to ‘alpha’ males

  4. rather subjective and depends on how long the engagement is going to be. im critical of my friend’s circumstances because I don’t think that you can know someone well enough in under 1 year in order to be able to commit to them like that. I don’t think they have actually had any conflicts in their relationship, it’s still all candy and rainbows… I would be willing to bet neither of them have had to make serious compromises, yet.

  5. dumb question, but ill answer it anyways. yes men should date.

  6. beta males are pushovers who willingly and gratefully accept the leftovers (the scraps) left by other guys. [/quote]

I can agree with these answers. Except for #1, even though not a bad idea. I guess it depends on the age of the guy in that situation.