Beta Male Providers

twojarslave · December 22, 2014, 4:23am

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
come on guys, let’s try to stay on topic.

we’re all adults here[/quote]

Legally speaking, you are correct. By any reasonable measure, you are a cretin.

I think you would be well-served to discard your perceived notions of “alpha” and “beta” and focus instead on becoming a decent human being.

As it stands, you are a known liar on matters that are far from trivial. You go to great lengths to find fault in men who have done you no harm and dedicated their efforts toward helping others. This speaks volumes about your character. At best, you are a despicable troll. At worst, you are a repugnant swine in need of a strong male role model.

You are young, so you have time to reflect on your life as a lying sociopath.

I wish you luck.

Mr_Walkway · December 22, 2014, 4:27am

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
come on guys, let’s try to stay on topic.

we’re all adults here[/quote]

Legally speaking, you are correct. By any reasonable measure, you are a cretin.

I think you would be well-served to discard your perceived notions of “alpha” and “beta” and focus instead on becoming a decent human being.

As it stands, you are a known liar on matters that are far from trivial. You go to great lengths to find fault in men who have done you no harm and dedicated their efforts toward helping others. This speaks volumes about your character. At best, you are a despicable troll. At worst, you are a repugnant swine in need of a strong male role model.

You are young, so you have time to reflect on your life as a lying sociopath.

I wish you luck.

[/quote]

there’s no need to be upset.

I feel like ‘dedicating their lives to helping others’ may be a bit of a reach here… which only serves to cloud the issue, if we are being honest that is…

anon23385723 · December 22, 2014, 4:50am

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
raising another man’s child… it’s just, so irrational. [/quote]

yet you’ve abstained from sex your whole life because you’re scared of a false rape allegation?

anon23385723 · December 22, 2014, 4:55am

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]colin1168 wrote:
I think you and the op are talking about different things. OP talking about guys taking on the kids of single mothers (SOME of whom made bad/irresponsible choices), and you are talking about adoption, and for some reason, children born with disabilities.
Edit: I’ve seen other people bring up the adoption issue. If OP thinks this as “beta” (silly fucking term), that’s really not cool

[/quote]

what they’re doing is called a strawman… one of the favorite tactics of the intellectual infant.

referring to your other post, im not talking about ‘alpha’ necessarily at all, just beta.

a man who sacrifices his own life (per se), to raise the child of another man certainly is beta…he is fulfilling the obligations of the other man, while the other man sits back and relaxes…and could possibly still be shagging the mom behind the beta’s back.

a man who raises another man’s child when he has absolutely nothing to gain (I.E. no sex)? jeeze… i don’t even know the word for that[/quote]

How is my argument a strawman? you say “a man who sacrifices his own life (per se), to raise the child of another man certainly is beta”

And any man adopting inherently means he’s caring for another man’s child? You know that right?

Mr_Walkway · December 22, 2014, 6:00am

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]colin1168 wrote:
I think you and the op are talking about different things. OP talking about guys taking on the kids of single mothers (SOME of whom made bad/irresponsible choices), and you are talking about adoption, and for some reason, children born with disabilities.
Edit: I’ve seen other people bring up the adoption issue. If OP thinks this as “beta” (silly fucking term), that’s really not cool

[/quote]

what they’re doing is called a strawman… one of the favorite tactics of the intellectual infant.

referring to your other post, im not talking about ‘alpha’ necessarily at all, just beta.

a man who sacrifices his own life (per se), to raise the child of another man certainly is beta…he is fulfilling the obligations of the other man, while the other man sits back and relaxes…and could possibly still be shagging the mom behind the beta’s back.

a man who raises another man’s child when he has absolutely nothing to gain (I.E. no sex)? jeeze… i don’t even know the word for that[/quote]

How is my argument a strawman? you say “a man who sacrifices his own life (per se), to raise the child of another man certainly is beta”

And any man adopting inherently means he’s caring for another man’s child? You know that right? [/quote]

you are purposefully misrepresenting my assertion in order to make it easy to refute… that’s how you are making it a strawman.

you know EXACTLY what im getting at, yet you are refusing to acknowledge it face on, choosing instead to muddy the water in some boring and unimaginative method of avoiding answering the question.

you also said “It’s pretty beta to raise any child with a mental handicap as well. A real alpha would leave that child to die in the elements and go find another bitch to impregnate, seeing as the previous one was obviously unfit…”

that is absolutely pathetic… im not even sure why im responding to someone so intellectually dishonest.

Yogi1 · December 22, 2014, 6:10am

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I’d love to know if all the posters in this forum and countless others who are always talking about betas, alphas, female ranking systems, income, female advantage, have female company or are in or have had serious relationships. [/quote]

exactly, shit’s starting to get old now

jeremielemauvais · December 22, 2014, 8:12am

A forum tends to draw out the extremes. In this case, there’s a ton of virgins (age 20-30) on here (natty hopefuls OR disillusioned kids cycling from a young age) either obsessed with abzzzz at all costs/pro BBing/deadliftzzz – and a bunch of “middle aged” men (30-early 40’s) who got into premature relationships (with/without kids) and got screwed in/out of court and who are now the complete personification of game itself after pending lonesome nights researching the ways of the PUA.

The clueless virgins from the first group will inevitably surrender to the greater (individual or collective) wisdom of the “game spitting” silverbacks from the second group.

Its fun to watch – don’t take it so seriously!

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I’d love to know if all the posters in this forum and countless others who are always talking about betas, alphas, female ranking systems, income, female advantage, have female company or are in or have had serious relationships. [/quote]

red04 · December 22, 2014, 10:49am

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Let me preface this post by saying that I know Mr. Walkway has ridiculous views on women that I largely disagree with. And that I recently entered an awesome relationship with an amazing woman after deciding she was worth not living my life how I imagined, ie: being single until I was in my 30’s and established so I can travel, have fun, live where I want, not be tied down, etc.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

friend 1:
28 years old, police officer, dating a single mother (who is quite large) while her baby-daddy resides in the corrections system.

friend 2:
23 years old, no college education, works in retail at Best Buy, dating a single mother of 2 children from 2 different fathers (LOL).

friend 3:
25 years old, college degree in bullshit, engaged to a single mother who he’s been dating for 6 months… looking to be married before they hit the 1 year mark of “togetherness” (they always talk about how much they love each other, on facebook).

[/quote]

I don’t think this has anything to do with being alpha or beta. Or, at least not to the extant that Walkway is making it to be.

What I think it has to do with is guys who have poor boundaries, don’t know what they want, are too passive to take a hold of their lives, etc. I bolded a few points in Walkways quotes that, to me, are red flags. BIG red flags. Call me presumptuous, but I doubt any of the women given as examples sat down and had a well thought out conversation about wanting a child, thinking about it, then planning for it. They sound like the type of women who got pregnant and then 9 months later were talking about how “their little angel is the best thing that’s ever happened to them” on facebook.

I doubt if you had asked any of these guys listed, on the day before they met these women, what their dream life looked like, they would not answer “meet a single mother (with potentially questionable life decision making skills) and father her child.”[/quote]

I think he kept his examples vague enough that we’d try and read into them like that, because it’s probably right but we can’t really be sure. Plenty of white collar prisoners, but we’re assuming that woman’s baby daddy is a hoodrat or white trash of some sort. “Togetherness” makes us think that dude is a lonely dude latching onto any affection he can get. And obviously 23 year old Best Buy guy isn’t attracting a quality woman!

Really though there’s way too little here to say who is and isn’t ‘beta’ unless we make the broad generalization that caring for another man’s kid automatically makes you beta. That’s pretty silly.

Just another stupid Walkaway topic(pun intended).

angry_chicken · December 22, 2014, 2:32pm

Human beings have value. Raising “another man’s seed” is a concept from our hunter/gatherer days. I dare say we are a wee bit evolved beyond that now. When my work schedule allows, I usually volunteer my time with “at risk” young men to try and move them in a positive direction. Sometimes I’ll coach my son’s sports team and I usually get pretty involved with the kids. Over the years, I’ve been a “mentor” (of sorts) to lots of young men. Some of them have turned their lives around and some of them get a Christmas card from me in prison. There are some young men that I’ve know for years and I am JUST as proud (if not more) of them and their accomplishments as I am with my own children. Am I “beta”? HARDLY.

Involving one’s self with a woman who has kids (or not) is a personal decision. If the woman has become a single mother due to poor life decisions, and there is evidence that she is continuing to make poor decisions, then it may be prudent to avoid a relationship with that woman. But if a woman becomes a single mother through circumstances that are reasonable and shows signs of making good life decisions and is moving in a positive direction, then I see no “red flag”. A good woman is hard to find. If anything, a single mother will already SHOW you what kind of mother she will be - there won’t be any guess work. And if she is a good mom, then I would say that should actually swing the decision in her favor.

Now, are there cases where a woman with several children with different fathers and not a lot going for her manages to attract a guy who, on the surface, seems to have a “higher market value”? Sure there are. In which case there are a two explanations: 1) he has issues that are not evident on the surface (aka: he is a “beta”) OR 2) HE FELL IN LOVE… Stranger things have been known to happen. Who are we to judge? But in my experience, that is pretty rare - people tend to attract people of similar “class”…

But a single mom with a kid? That could be a great opportunity just waiting for a chance. Not always, but like I said, there are plenty of reasonable explanations for a woman to be in that situation. As long as she is willing to have kids with you (assuming that’s what you want) I wouldn’t automatically disqualify her. In all fairness, a woman with kids wouldn’t be a “first round draft pick” for a young successful man with everything going for him. But as we get older, we realize that life happens and the people you tend to meet are on “round two”. And if she did her best in “round one”, there’s probably kids. And there’s nothing “beta” about that.

Like I said: Human beings have value. And your power in this world is only as strong as your relationships. Your influence will be felt by those you TEACH and MENTOR, not by those who’s mother you happened to “knock up”… Being father is a great responsibility. You are literally setting the example every day. Sometimes you win the day and your children see your best self. Other times they see your weaker moments. Your duty is to win most of your days. But that’s part of being a man. And very few men that I KNOW sit there and ask themselves, “am I being too beta right now”? They move through their life without asking for permission or giving apology.

So how is a 20 something year old virgin qualified to judge whether a MAN is alpha or beta? Son, you don’t have the scars to make that call.

anon23385723 · December 22, 2014, 2:44pm